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  • edited September 19 Posts: 1,078
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    There are other ways that IFP should be trying to keep the fans happy.

    I can understand the frustration.

    I am, however, going to wave a scrap of the IFP flag here. They've put out some very nice limited edition collectables for not much money at all in recent years. I'm thinking of the Higson signed special edition paperback for a tenner, and the signed Sherwood second book with the little extras for the price of the standard book. They even put out a smart paperback of Benson's Zero Minus Ten for a tenner a year or so ago.

    I can understand that people want more new literary Bond adventures, (as do I), but I think we should also recognise that IFP haven't tried to milk the literary Bond fans when it comes to collectable editions. In that respect, good for them.

    Two days ago I ordered a hardback Casino Royale off IFP for £24.00. I think there's only 250 being printed. How much was that recent Folio limited CR edition? Five hundred quid or summat?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited September 20 Posts: 18,278
    Yes, IFP are generally a lot more reasonable with their prices than Eon's infamous 007 Store products are. They're seemingly only designed for the very richest of Bond fans to purchase (if they'd even want to purchase some of it!). Sometimes there are benefits to the IFP literary Bond being the poor relation to the Eon Bond film series. :)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.jamesbondfirsteditions.co.uk/post/do-ian-fleming-book-collectors-badly-need-a-new-film-too

    A decent article about the recent Bond book publishing and re-publishing. They don't use many of the continuation novels, is my only criticism of the article.

    Also, do we think we'll get an announcement of some kind for James Bond Day (October 5)?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 26 Posts: 16,411
    Publication delayed a little, but with a nice preview of the full LALD design:



    I think the endpapers design is really cool.
  • Posts: 17,756
    Have they released images of the back and endpapers of all the novels, or just CR and LALD?
  • edited October 19 Posts: 859
    So, are they censored text or not? What is the title of LALD chapter 5?
  • edited October 21 Posts: 2,918
    So, are they censored text or not? What is the title of LALD chapter 5?

    From what I've read elsewhere, these are the recently censored texts, so the text of the LALD is the old American one. The bonus material consists of letters by Fleming. Most have appeared in The Man With the Golden Typewriter, but a few are being published for the first time, though exactly which ones is still a mystery.

    EDIT: Eight titles contained letters that previously appeared in Typewriter:

    CR : 03/04/59, FA Taylor
    LALD : 01/04/54, Winston Churchill
    MR : 18/08/59, Major VP Tallon
    DAF : 08/11/57, Miss M Marshall
    FRWL : 09/07/56, Daniel George
    DN : 14/10/58, W Speid
    FYEO : 25/06/59, Miss Noella Moneypenny
    OHMSS : 31/07/62, Michael Howard

    As for the letters and other bonus material in the remaining 6 titles:

    GF : 28/12/59, William Birnie (re: golf)
    TB : The Domino Letter, originally published letter in the Pan paperback.
    TSWLM: 18/04/62, Florence Taylor and 29/05/62, Kenneth Robinson. Both refer to criticism of the book,
    YOLT: A one-page note detailing Fleming’s travel research for the novel, with thanks to friends and a short bibliography.
    TMWTGG : 19/07/61. Answers to the "Six Questions" feature in Queen Magazine (you can read it here).
    OP : 31/10/61, Captain EK Le Mesurier of the NRA (National Rifle Association), regarding weapons used in TLD.

    I'd say the TSWLM extras sound most interesting, given how wounded Fleming was by the book's reception and how he tried to defend it.

    In more interesting literary news, Talk of the Devil: The Collected Writings of Ian Fleming will be made available as a mass market edition on May 25, 2025. For more than a decade it was only available as an extra to the very expensive collected edition of Fleming's works from Queen Anne Press. A few copies were offered via QAP for purchase last year, but the new edition will be affordable and available to everyone.
  • edited October 22 Posts: 1,078
    Revelator wrote: »
    So, are they censored text or not? What is the title of LALD chapter 5?

    From what I've read elsewhere, these are the recently censored texts, so the text of the LALD is the old American one.

    Thanks for all that, a very interesting and informative post. I always feel that they're taking the easy way out by using "the American text that Fleming approved" with LALD, but I think I'm expecting too much to think they'd go with the original English text while we move through this period of intense sensitivity.
    I doubt we'll see reprints of the original texts appearing in the mainstream anytime soon.
    I won't be buying these beyond the Casino special edition, as nice as the covers are. And once again I say, pip-rah to the people at Folio editions, who stick to the original text, knowing that their readers are grown-ups and understand context. (Now get a wiggle-on with Octopussy and the Living Daylights, eh?).

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Thanks for that list, @Revelator. That's much appreciated. The new letters especially sound intriguing. It's always nice to see new material included regarding the background to the Fleming Bond novels and short stories, however scant it may ultimately be.
  • Posts: 1,078
    I have the Golden Pen book, and I have to admit I've not read it cover to cover. I think it's more of a reference book for me, so I'm not worrying too much about missing the letters in these.
    I think the best Fleming extras we've seen thus far are the TV drafts in the first two Horowitz books. They were a bit special.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I got my CR delivered a couple of weeks ago but because I've been on my hols I've only just now been able to open it: it really is a lovely thing. It's a proper hardback printing, no dust jacket- it's very nice indeed. If anyone asks me about edits I'll scream though.
  • Posts: 1,078
    I've been waiting for the sprayed edge CR, and I've just had an email to say it's been delayed. In the same email it also says they're doing a sprayed edge collectors edition of Goldfinger too.
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    I picked up Moonraker, as I am just about to finish LALD and didnt have a stand alone copy. Its a very nicely printed book and the larger text print is ideal.

    Just three chapters of LALD to go and then I can make a start.
  • Posts: 1,078
    There's a lot of opposition to the edits in the new series on facebook. I'm on a few literary Bond groups, and I'd say they've definitely lost sales amongst book collectors because of the censorship. People want the books as Fleming wrote them, and don't like the idea of 'sensitivity readers' deciding what they should and shouldn't be reading.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 5 Posts: 16,411
    What's missing?

    Discussion thread about this subject here as you mention it so often.
  • Posts: 1,078
    I've not seen the books, I'm only commenting on the vibe I'm getting on the fb groups. I'm hoping my copy of CR will arrive soon.
    I'm sorry if you don't like people mentioning edits on this thread mtm, but this is the thread for the new series of Fleming hardbacks.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 5 Posts: 16,411
    It's just that we've done the edits discussion when the last batch were published and the thread for discussing them is still open. All future ones will be the same unless they say otherwise, what's the point in going over the same ground constantly in separate threads? A few of them have some edits.
    And in all the fuss I'm yet to see anyone actually say what the edits are or how much has gone. Or even which books. If it's a single word in a couple of 80,000 word novels then I just can't much summon the enthusiasm to care despite the principle of the thing, any more than I can when you come across a character using a swearword in a Fleming and it says 's---'.

    As we're repeating ourselves I'll say I have my copy of CR and it's very lovely.
  • edited November 15 Posts: 1,078
    The 'special edition' Casino Royale books have arrived, quite late due to some spraying of the edges issue I think. I wasn't too worried, it's not like I hadn't read the book, and MTM is right, it's very lovely.

    I dug out a few other recent hardbacks of CR. Well, they're recent to me anyway, (I've been reading Fleming since the 70's).
    In the picture below, top left is the Centenary Edition, which came out in 2008. Then the Folio edition, which came out in 2015, (mine is third impression 2018). Then the Vintage Classic, which came out via Penguin in 2017, and the latest. I think that mops up all the official hardbacks since the Centenary set, unless I've missed one?

    CR1.jpg

    A view of the spines, just to give you some idea of size. I've always liked printed boards on hardbacks, (ie no dust jackets), so I'm very pleased with my new CR. It's stylish, modern, and you'd look cool enough reading it on a train or plane. Which often can't be said of the Fleming reprints, to be honest.

    CR2.jpg

    Here's the sprayed page edges. They're doing Goldfinger with sprayed edges next. I haven't bitten on that one. Yet. It's tempting though.

    CR3.jpg

    I don't mind the disclaimer below. In fact, if it means the original text is more likely to be intact, then I welcome the caveat at the start of the book. . .

    CR4.jpg

    I've skimmed through this new edition to quickly check if I could see any edits. I couldn't. All the stuff that could be deemed problematic (Le Chiffre's ethnicity in the dossier, Bond's views on women as 'recreation' etc, and the "sweet tang of rape") are all still there.

    The extra material is a single page facsimile of a letter Fleming wrote to someone who tried to correct him on his use of the French language in CR. The text of the letter is also in The Man With the Golden Typewriter book. Nothing much to get excited about there if you have that one, but a nice fun addition.

    The casino chip endpapers are classy, and there's a carpet-beater on the back side. Perfect!


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Of those it's the two Gilettes which are the winners for my money, and I think it's the latest which is the more complete package design-wise. The earlier one has a bit of a messy spine design, and the way the back cover and endpapers are all part of the same coherent design of this one just pleases me a lot.

    The Goldfinger SE you mention has gold-sprayed edges naturally, which is quite tempting!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    The 'special edition' Casino Royale books have arrived, quite late due to some spraying of the edges issue I think. I wasn't too worried, it's not like I hadn't read the book, and MTM is right, it's very lovely.

    I dug out a few other recent hardbacks of CR. Well, they're recent to me anyway, (I've been reading Fleming since the 70's).
    In the picture below, top left is the Centenary Edition, which came out in 2008. Then the Folio edition, which came out in 2015, (mine is third impression 2018). Then the Vintage Classic, which came out via Penguin in 2017, and the latest. I think that mops up all the official hardbacks since the Centenary set, unless I've missed one?

    CR1.jpg

    A view of the spines, just to give you some idea of size. I've always liked printed boards on hardbacks, (ie no dust jackets), so I'm very pleased with my new CR. It's stylish, modern, and you'd look cool enough reading it on a train or plane. Which often can't be said of the Fleming reprints, to be honest.

    CR2.jpg

    Here's the sprayed page edges. They're doing Goldfinger with sprayed edges next. I haven't bitten on that one. Yet. It's tempting though.

    CR3.jpg

    I don't mind the disclaimer below. In fact, if it means the original text is more likely to be intact, then I welcome the caveat at the start of the book. . .

    CR4.jpg

    I've skimmed through this new edition to quickly check if I could see any edits. I couldn't. All the stuff that could be deemed problematic (Le Chiffre's ethnicity in the dossier, Bond's views on women as 'recreation' etc, and the "sweet tang of rape") are all still there.

    The extra material is a single page facsimile of a letter Fleming wrote to someone who tried to correct him on his use of the French language in CR. The text of the letter is also in The Man With the Golden Typewriter book. Nothing much to get excited about there if you have that one, but a nice fun addition.

    The casino chip endpapers are classy, and there's a carpet-beater on the back side. Perfect!


    That CR collection is awesome @ColonelAdamski history overtime. One thing that I would like in a future CR edition is the many people who wrote introductions over the years for it. I know Jeffery Deaver and Anthony Horowitz have for sure. And thankfully, no edits, IFP openly admitted that for Casino Royale.
  • edited November 16 Posts: 1,078
    mtm wrote: »
    The Goldfinger SE you mention has gold-sprayed edges naturally, which is quite tempting!

    The sprayed edges Goldfinger is limited to 250 copies, like CR. Casino has sold out now, but you can still get one of the Goldfinger editions.
    When they did the Vintage Classics in 2017, it wasn't a complete series. They only put out CR, GF and LALD. It seems like they are the three 'go to' Bond novels for special editions. I can see why, they're amongst the most iconic films and best known titles.
    So perhaps we'll see a sprayed edge Live and Let Die next?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    The Goldfinger SE you mention has gold-sprayed edges naturally, which is quite tempting!

    The sprayed edges Goldfinger is limited to 250 copies, like CR. Casino has sold out now, but you can still get one of the Goldfinger editions.
    When they did the Vintage Classics in 2017, it wasn't a complete series. They only put out CR, GF and LALD. It seems like they are the three 'go to' Bond novels for special editions. I can see why, they're amongst the most iconic films and best known titles.
    So perhaps we'll see a sprayed edge Live and Let Die next?

    IFP could have done it for this year, seeing as it is the 70th anniversary for it. I wonder if any non-Fleming books would ever get this treatment, aside from Colonel Sun.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    They’re selling some new signed copies of Zero Minus Ten.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    They’re selling some new signed copies of Zero Minus Ten.

    Thanks for the info. I think the Union Trilogy could get a unique version of itself one day. I also consider The Man With The Red Tattoo as an epilogue to the story.
  • edited November 16 Posts: 1,078
    They did a paperback signed Zero Minus Ten a couple of years ago. Yea, only paperback, but it was only a tenner.
    I've said before on this thread, if book Bond is your thing, IFP do put out some nice cheap collectables. A new, signed Bond book for a tenner is a lovely entry-level keepsake for a new Bond collector.

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