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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited November 20 Posts: 1,649
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,040
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Seems as if they don't even sell any new cars any more. The website only offers a link to their used-car marketplace for each model in the list. And if they go all electric, they'll have some work ahead...the iPace having (had) a range of only 470 km/less than 300 mi., apparently due to a a power consumption which is 150 % of, say, an Ioniq 5.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    LucknFate wrote: »
    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Rebrands always do, people like to complain when a new logo is unveiled then a few months later they've forgotten the old one. I think we need to see where they're going with it first, it looks like they've almost made themselves into a fashion brand, which I guess might fit with urban EV driving, and they're kind of a boutique brand as it is. I'm interested to see what their plan is.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,529
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Tata Motors own Jaguar so i can't seeing their future being a concern with the amount of sales/money they have.

    If Tata don't want them anymore i'm sure some chinese company would be interested to buy them out.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,134
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,264
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,134
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited 4:58pm Posts: 1,649
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Looks like Jaguar will be going all electric ?

    Yes. They've announced a future lineup of three models, which are confirmed to be a four-door GT car, and then rumored to be a SUV and then a sports car/convertible combo. All electric.

    As an auto journalist, I can tell you this rebrand is already getting mocked and not taken very seriously. I worry for Jaguar's future.

    Tata Motors own Jaguar so i can't seeing their future being a concern with the amount of sales/money they have.

    If Tata don't want them anymore i'm sure some chinese company would be interested to buy them out.

    What a gross mentality to have about business. I want Jaguar to prosper, making elegant sports cars for the road like it used to. I do not want them to fail so bad they get dumped onto a Chinese buyer who will just further devalue the brand. What's wrong with you to think all that would be fine? Don't you want to them to succeed instead? Hope for prosperity, don't just let what's defined you in the past die off.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 5:17pm Posts: 16,413
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."

    They are a pretty 'old man' brand, they've been trying to redefine themselves as sort of urban and modern high end in the last decade or so but I'm not sure it's quite stuck, and ultimately as it is they just don't sell many cars. BMW are well over 2 million sold a year whereas Jag are in the hundreds of thousands, and yet they compete. It's all very well for us to get teary eyed about E-Types and sportcars, but who here has bought a Jaguar recently? And selling sportscars, sadly, doesn't pay the rent these days.
    I don't think it's certain they'll lose their current customer base just because they've got a fresher logo, I would say this rebrand so far is still representing modern luxury, just in a slightly different way. To be honest I think we have to see the actual cars first!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,134
    mtm wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I've always loved Jaguars, unfortunately I cannot buy every car brand that I love. Not sure what to think about that trendy video posted above.

    When it comes to cars, watches, clothes, etc. I suppose I'm more traditional than most people. Electric cars, smart watches and all that just lack charm, elegance and soul as far as I'm concerned, but companies need to survive and if Jaguar feels it has little moving space where they are right now, I suppose money talks and rebranding to be trendy for a broader mass is probably economically a wiser choice than to make another E-type or whatever.

    I test-drove a jaguar earlier in the year. The XF. What a car to drive! But like Alfa Romeo, I guess cars like that are just appealing to a certain customer base, which just isn't that big. The second hand XE and XF's have, at least most of them, a lot of miles on them. In my country, they're director cars. They're mostly bought new, so it's easy to get a 'cheap' second-hand one. A car of, say, 4 year old will easily have done 150.000 plus KM and have a price tag around 30K euro, against the 70+ you pay for a new car.

    Will a complete rebrand really work? Well, if the shun off their legacy, maybe. But they'll lose their current customer base. That video I personally find appalling. It has nothing to do with what I think Jaguars should be like: great drivers'cars with a luxury upholstering for the succesfull person who doesn't want to shout it off of the roofs, but definately wants to show it.

    I'm with you, mate. That video screams: "I want to be 'in' and I think this might just work. Oh I'm a car brand with decades of gorgeous cars on my resume? Hmm, don't think the kids will like that. We'll do some random Zara ad and then think of a vague connection later."

    They are a pretty 'old man' brand, they've been trying to redefine themselves as sort of urban and modern high end in the last decade or so but I'm not sure it's quite stuck, and ultimately as it is they just don't sell many cars. BMW are well over 2 million sold a year whereas Jag are in the hundreds of thousands, and yet they compete. It's all very well for us to get teary eyed about E-Types and sportcars, but who here has bought a Jaguar recently? And selling sportscars, sadly, doesn't pay the rent these days.
    I don't think it's certain they'll lose their current customer base just because they've got a fresher logo, I would say this rebrand so far is still representing modern luxury, just in a slightly different way. To be honest I think we have to see the actual cars first!

    Of course, I was just referring to the vibe that video gave me.

    And you're right, who here has bought a Jag recently? That's a fair question. If I had the wallet for it, I would have an Alfa, a Lancia, a Maserati, an Aston, a Lotus, a Jag, an Alpine and probably even a DS. Unfortunately I can only go for the one and my heart is Italian in the first place...
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