Where does Bond go after Craig?

1678679681683684698

Comments

  • Posts: 573
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Thanks for these, @mtm!

    Has anyone found video of the montage of well-wishers that followed Craig's intro? (Pierce, Lea, Javier, etc.) -- would love to see that as well if it's available.

    Oh wow! I hope someone has a video of this, or that the Academy posts it.
  • Posts: 842
    BMB007 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Thanks for these, @mtm!

    Has anyone found video of the montage of well-wishers that followed Craig's intro? (Pierce, Lea, Javier, etc.) -- would love to see that as well if it's available.

    Oh wow! I hope someone has a video of this, or that the Academy posts it.

    To be clear, I've only read about that as a second-hand (?) account. But I'm assuming it did in fact occur.
  • I resonate wth what Barbara said about taking risks. I see that in my own journey. And risks have big payoffs.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 21 Posts: 8,458
    It's been over 1100 days since the last film arrived and we don't have as much as a "Bond 26 limited" as proof that the next film is being worked on yet. I think perhaps some of the rumours could have something to them, and perhaps EON knows who they have in mind (whether it be Villeneuve or whoever else) and are simply waiting for them to becoming available. I think that is a realistic explanation for the wait, and really at this point what other reason could there be? If EON were keen to get things rolling they could have hired P+W in 2024, announced Martin Campbell or a similar set of safe, reliable hands and hit the ground running. The only explanation to my mind is that EON has their sights set on someone to kickstart the next era, and Amazon are content to wait until they become available. This is also why I think a slightly irregular release could be possible, say Summer 2028. If Villeneuve is still the man, it's hard to see him completing press tours for Dune Messiah in December 2026 and then completing a Bond reboot in less than a year in time for October/November 2027.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    I don't think that's the only explanation possible, no.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,314
    I’m not sure if EON would wait around for a director unless it suited their schedule. I’ve said before that I think picking a director isn’t unlike picking the Bond actor in many ways. It’s not that there’s only one specific individual who can do it above anyone else - the ‘chosen one’ if you like - but more a case where it’s a choice from a pool of options EON have to pick from. Each choice will give you a different film, but ultimately a version of the Bond film EON want to make. And of course a lot of that depends on availability. Not just any director can do it (again, much like the actor they have to have experience, commitment to the project, and be suited to the material/be able to bring something unique to it) but effectively if Villeneuve or Nolan don’t do it, there’s always a potential Edward Berger or David Michod who could do something wonderful.

    I could be wrong, and perhaps they do have Villeneuve in mind, and because it’s a longer gap they can wait. But I wouldn’t put a bet down for it either way (we simply don’t know and won’t know until long after). The truth is as well none of us understand how much work goes into these films before pre-production, let alone what the situation is with Amazon, what EON’s long term plans for Bond are etc.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    Yep. I think they might possibly have chosen to delay for Mendes to do a second one if that had happened, but only because he'd already delivered their biggest success; or for Craig a couple of films in, not sure they'd do it for anyone else. The Bond films didn't even delay when Brosnan couldn't do it and they didn't have a Bond.
  • Posts: 1,465
    Right now they delay for anything so I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for something or someone.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 21 Posts: 8,458
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,314
    mtm wrote: »
    Yep. I think they might possibly have chosen to delay for Mendes to do a second one if that had happened, but only because he'd already delivered their biggest success; or for Craig a couple of films in, not sure they'd do it for anyone else. The Bond films didn't even delay when Brosnan couldn't do it and they didn't have a Bond.

    I think that’s one where it worked out for them anyway as they couldn’t set a release date due to MGM’s financial issues. I know Mendes came on after QOS and they just kept him on as a consultant throughout that period. I suspect if they wanted someone specifically they’d do something similar (I know Mendes did another film in 2008/9 and did theatre in between as well, so maybe that’s an indication they’re open to choices/don’t have their eyes specifically set on anyone at the moment and if someone was definitively connected we'd know now or soonish). I don’t know, perhaps that means it’ll be more a Fukunaga situation this time where the director is brought on a bit later and helps iron out the script/direction for what EON want, as opposed to Mendes having that more hands on role in coming up with the concepts earlier on.

    I think they delayed CR by a year but not due to the director.
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    Yeah, I think he’d be interesting too. And like I said every director will give us something unique, albeit a spin on EON’s desired Bond film.

    I suppose budget depends on necessity and what they want to do. If the story’s scaled back then maybe a 200 million price tag thereabouts is all that’s needed. I don’t know though and I suppose we’ll see.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,458
    There's an added value element that Micod is currently making a biopic starring Sydney Sweeney as a female boxer, so maybe his involvement could spur EON to give her the lead Bond girl role. Eh, It's fun to speculate, anyway. :P
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,314
    I agree. Sometimes it's interesting looking at those types of names and trying to see what they've brought to their previous work that's Bondian. I know he's supposedly out of contention (although who knows) but someone like Edward Berger has done some wonderfully dark but comedic television dramas, the tone/feel of which I can see him bringing to Bond (ie. Patrick Melrose which is a show with a lot of witty lines, dark humour, and fast pace to it. I've heard it's the same for Deutschland '83).

    So yeah, there are plenty of possibilities.
  • Posts: 573
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.
  • Posts: 1,465
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


  • Posts: 4,314
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    Yeah, but a lot of those movies didn't do well, including established IPs. I don't think that's the reason for this gap this time round mind (I think it's a combination of things truth be told - getting to grips creatively with a new direction, working out their new working relationship with Amazon/mapping out the future of the franchise and EON as a whole, a longer term strategy involving EON taking a more hands on role in things like the video game/reality show, getting other projects done etc). I'm sure alternative producers could have gone head first into a new era (although it wouldn't necessarily have been a good idea as we now know given the writers/actor's strikes, and I can easily imagine a majority of Bond films in that scenario not doing as well as they could have).
  • Posts: 573
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.
  • Posts: 1,465
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.

    But Barbara talked about taking risks... :D

    The industry changes all the time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,458
    Something to bare in mind - Indiana Jones was created as a homage to adventure serials of the 1930's, 50 years later. Bond has been running continually since 1962, in other words it would be like if The Last Crusade wasn't the final part in a trilogy of homages, but the next entry in a series that had been running since 1934.
  • edited November 21 Posts: 4,314
    BMB007 wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    Well, we know something is causing the delay. Each time there has been a gap longer than 4 years between bonds ('89 - '95, '15 - '21), its always for a very specific reason.

    @007HallY I personally don't have a problem with the lesser known director names you mention, David Michod is very interesting indeed, The King is one of the best films of the past decade IMO. I think if they were looking to downscale slightly, and go back to a more intimate 150 - 170 million as opposed to 250 - 300 million behemoth, then he would be a very intriguing choice.

    There is a reason, even if you don't acknowledge it. A combination of industry contraction due to the pandemic and the merger of MGM into Amazon. That's why.

    Well, that hasn't stopped movies from being released. We can always find an excuse but the world keeps turning.


    It has stopped movies from being released. There are significantly fewer theatrical releases now compared to before the pandemic. The entire industry is in an uncertain period of transition.

    But Barbara talked about taking risks... :D

    The industry changes all the time.

    You can take risks creatively and have the foresight to know you're not prepared yet at a given time. In laymen's terms taking risks doesn't mean being stupid.

    But who knows. Maybe they're being too cautious, maybe their work and strategy will pay off. We can only wait and see.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,256
    Taking risks doesn’t mean being reckless; whatever direction they choose it will have to embrace the essence of Bond, and be recognizable as the character.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,944
    There are risks and there are risk assessments.

    After some reaction to NTTD, surprised to hear comments about Barbara Broccoli and risk-taking. Or suggestions she may be risk-averse.

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,697
    It's a clue that the next film will be... Risico
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 22 Posts: 2,191
    QBranch wrote: »
    It's a clue that the next film will be... Risico

    Lol. That would be cool, along with ShatterHand, that's a fan favorite title. I think Barbara's got this confidence that Bond would still be a hit, even if she does something new or offbeat with him. So as such, I'm expecting to see things that won't sit well with me, even if Bond would still be Bond.
    Also, I'm not necessarily a fan of Bond's womanizing. I can do without it. But it's also a trait the character's known for. But right now, it's looking like Bond might not bed women that much anymore, since an intimacy coach was hired for NTTD.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 22 Posts: 8,458
    I don't see EON going with the director of Venom 3, that movie was a disaster critically, and apparently Berger is already ruled out? I've looked at the projects Michod has upcoming, one is a stoner comedy starring Pete Davidson which is already completed and just looking for a release window, and the other is Sydney Sweeneys Oscar push movie about Christie Martin the female boxer, which is currently in production. Apart from that, he appears to have a open schedule, meaning he is potentially amenable to someone like EON coming knocking. Just speculation, but I find it interesting that the first round of "speed dates" took place back in early July and we haven't heard any developments for going on 5 months since.
  • edited November 22 Posts: 4,314
    QBranch wrote: »
    It's a clue that the next film will be... Risico

    Lol. That would be cool, along with ShatterHand, that's a fan favorite title. I think Barbara's got this confidence that Bond would still be a hit, even if she does something new or offbeat with him. So as such, I'm expecting to see things that won't sit well with me, even if Bond would still be Bond.
    Also, I'm not necessarily a fan of Bond's womanizing. I can do without it. But it's also a trait the character's known for. But right now, it's looking like Bond might not bed women that much anymore, since an intimacy coach was hired for NTTD.

    I don’t think we’re going to see an end to Bond’s womanising anytime soon. NTTD was kind of an exception as Madeline was established as the love of Bond’s life, and even then we get flirtatious scenes with Paloma and Nomi which hint Bond was sleeping around while in Jamaica. Also Craig’s Bond was a lot more promiscuous than many believe. The guy openly joked about sleeping around with married women in CR, and constantly used sex to get what he wanted.

    Also was the intimacy coach thing actually true? The only thing I can find about it are tabloid rumours before the film’s release saying such a coach was hired for sex scenes between Bond and… Paloma. Which makes me very skeptical.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 22 Posts: 16,624
    I think there probably was an intimacy coach for the bedroom scenes with Bond and Madelene at the opening; it's a massive film, they need to be covered legally and it's just the right thing to do. I don't think there's any issue with it or that it's a sign of any movement away from love scenes in future.
    I tend to agree with SAM that I can take or leave it too, it's not a part of the films which does much for me much as I like seeing attractive women as much as the next guy, but I've no problem with it remaining part of his character.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 22 Posts: 2,191
    007HallY wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    It's a clue that the next film will be... Risico

    Lol. That would be cool, along with ShatterHand, that's a fan favorite title. I think Barbara's got this confidence that Bond would still be a hit, even if she does something new or offbeat with him. So as such, I'm expecting to see things that won't sit well with me, even if Bond would still be Bond.
    Also, I'm not necessarily a fan of Bond's womanizing. I can do without it. But it's also a trait the character's known for. But right now, it's looking like Bond might not bed women that much anymore, since an intimacy coach was hired for NTTD.

    I don’t think we’re going to see an end to Bond’s womanising anytime soon. NTTD was kind of an exception as Madeline was established as the love of Bond’s life, and even then we get flirtatious scenes with Paloma and Nomi which hint Bond was sleeping around while in Jamaica.

    Also was the intimacy coach thing actually true? The only thing I can find about it are tabloid rumours before the film’s release saying such a coach was hired for sex scenes between Bond and… Paloma. Which makes me very skeptical.

    Yeah @007HallY I'm hoping so. But I think another thing is, it isn't necessarily the womanizing bits. It's somewhat the mechanics of it. We saw that in NTTD, Madeleine pinned Bond to a wall and kissed him, she was also atop him in bed. Maybe that's how Bond could be from here on out? But like you say, I'm hoping it's specifically for NTTD. Not that I want Bond 7 to be a sex predator like Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan. But he's got to be in-charge to a certain degree. Even if EON are trying to be decent, in accordance with today's standards.
    Also, yeah...the intimacy coach thing surprised me too...considering Bond and Paloma did nothing.


  • edited November 22 Posts: 4,314
    mtm wrote: »
    I think there probably was an intimacy coach for the bedroom scenes with Bond and Madelene at the opening; it's a massive film, they need to be covered legally and it's just the right thing to do. I don't think there's any issue with it or that it's a sign of any movement away from love scenes in future.
    I tend to agree with SAM that I can take or leave it too, it's not a part of the films which does much for me much as I like seeing attractive women as much as the next guy, but I've no problem with it remaining part of his character.

    Fair enough. To be honest I don’t know how it works and yes I’m sure someone onset has some sort of role working with the actors in that environment. But the articles I read seemed to be rumours and not 100% correct.
    007HallY wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    It's a clue that the next film will be... Risico

    Lol. That would be cool, along with ShatterHand, that's a fan favorite title. I think Barbara's got this confidence that Bond would still be a hit, even if she does something new or offbeat with him. So as such, I'm expecting to see things that won't sit well with me, even if Bond would still be Bond.
    Also, I'm not necessarily a fan of Bond's womanizing. I can do without it. But it's also a trait the character's known for. But right now, it's looking like Bond might not bed women that much anymore, since an intimacy coach was hired for NTTD.

    I don’t think we’re going to see an end to Bond’s womanising anytime soon. NTTD was kind of an exception as Madeline was established as the love of Bond’s life, and even then we get flirtatious scenes with Paloma and Nomi which hint Bond was sleeping around while in Jamaica.

    Also was the intimacy coach thing actually true? The only thing I can find about it are tabloid rumours before the film’s release saying such a coach was hired for sex scenes between Bond and… Paloma. Which makes me very skeptical.

    Yeah @007HallY I'm hoping so. But I think another thing is, it isn't necessarily the womanizing bits. It's somewhat the mechanics of it. We saw that in NTTD, Madeleine pinned Bond to a wall and kissed him, she was also atop him in bed. Maybe that's how Bond could be from here on out? But like you say, I'm hoping it's specifically for NTTD. Not that I want Bond 7 to be a sex predator like Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan. But he's got to be in-charge to a certain degree. Even if EON are trying to be decent, in accordance with today's standards.
    Also, yeah...the intimacy coach thing surprised me too...considering Bond and Paloma did nothing.


    I think they’ll just do what they did with Craig’s Bond, which isn’t to shy away from his vices. We saw how him seducing Solonge, Fields and Severine led to their deaths, and it plays into how Bond uses sex as a tool. We saw how his drinking affected him physically in SF. It’s not that these vices were depicted as inherently bad, just a double edged sword, and of course for every Fields or Severine we also saw Bond in more happy relationships with Vesper and Madeline.

    It’s why I like the idea of seeing Bond having to walk out on the Bond girl after sleeping with her in a future film. A bit of a spin on the classic ‘Bond gets a call from MI6 while in bed with a girl’ but instead of him getting into his yellow ski suit and swanning off, we see Bond get a call while his one night stand is asleep and he has to leave her, presumably never to see her again. It’s something we’ve been told Bond has done (mainly with Paris in TND) but we’ve never seen it, and it makes Bond look like a bastard without being wholly unlikable. It could even be a great ending with Bond walking out in order to protect the Bond girl.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 22 Posts: 16,624
    I guess it's what he does with Solange in CR (although more mission-based than what you're talking about) and I rather liked the coldness of that.
  • edited November 22 Posts: 4,314
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess it's what he does with Solange in CR (although more mission-based than what you're talking about) and I rather liked the coldness of that.

    It's a great moment. But yeah, my guess is they'll show that 'darker side' of Bond as opposed to trying to sanitise the character one way or the other. They've been leaning into this since the Brosnan era (arguably even the Dalton one, and these ideas are there throughout Bond) so I don't see why they would dramatically change approach - Bond's actions affecting other people around him (particularly women), his tendency to use sex as a tool to get the job done, and even his tendency to fall for certain women and how that conflicts with his job. You can't really get rid of Bond's womanising anyway, and again if you sanitise it he either becomes sexless (which isn't Bond) or you just get a shallow playboy (even the early films didn't quite drift into that territory).
Sign In or Register to comment.