Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited December 15 Posts: 361
    Martin Campbell is still directing. His new film The Cleaner has a trailer:



    Die Hard rip off?

    Maybe he has the stamina to do another Bond film. He is 81 so that has to be taken into consideration.
  • This does scream “DIE HARD” doesn’t it?

    I don’t know. Perhaps the industry has evolved to a point where Mr. Campbell doesn’t really know what’s trendy these days but this screams of something from the late 2000’s.
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    @bondywondy - 81 for some is not the same as 81 for others.

    @007ClassicBondFan - What is trendy these days? I
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    Martin Campbell is still directing. His new film The Cleaner has a trailer:



    Die Hard rip off?

    Maybe he has the stamina to do another Bond film. He is 81 so that has to be taken into consideration.

    By way of Under Seige and Segal’s whole filmography in general. And for some reason, Jackie Chan springs to mind as well.
    Looks alright though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    talos7 wrote: »
    It is disheartening to realize that the wait for the next incarnation of Bond will be a long one.

    We probably won't get another Bond film until we know the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2028.

    Why?

    I really feel as if they could break with tradition and release Bond 26 during the Summer, or sometime other than the usual October - December slot.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that the next film could be released in conjunction with or just after the Euros in the UK, summer 2028. That would be a massive amount of momentum for the film, as Bond and football are two British institutions, and they both highlight a sense of patriotism. A similar effect happened in 2012 with the London Olympics.
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    Benny wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It is disheartening to realize that the wait for the next incarnation of Bond will be a long one.

    We probably won't get another Bond film until we know the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2028.

    Maybe they should just end the series with No Time To Die

    ???

    I wished they would come out and say that then
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    It seems unlikely since James Bond Will Return appeared in the closing credits. At least that was their thinking when NTTD wrapped. But it is worth considering whether Bond is still relevant cinema. Certainly for fans, but for a generation with little Bond history? Savvy marketing can create an audience. Reinventing Bond a seventh time is no doubt easier said than done.
  • Prioritising CCBB, a pointless remake of a classic, over Bond 26? What is Babs thinking?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 16 Posts: 4,693
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It is disheartening to realize that the wait for the next incarnation of Bond will be a long one.

    We probably won't get another Bond film until we know the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2028.

    Why?

    Nothing to do with politics, but I agree.; those nominees will be chosen in roughly three and a half years. At this point it’s reasonable to expect that there won’t be any real movement on the next incarnation of Bond for that amount of time.

    Hopefully it won’t be longer!

    If the world is still around, with these same Democrats and Republicans. Evil, Stupid, Crazy and been doing their "jobs" longer than they should. Kind of like the average Bond Villain, sadly!
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Martin Campbell is still directing. His new film The Cleaner has a trailer:



    Die Hard rip off?

    Maybe he has the stamina to do another Bond film. He is 81 so that has to be taken into consideration.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @bondywondy - 81 for some is not the same as 81 for others.

    @007ClassicBondFan - What is trendy these days? I

    What's trendy nowadays is 90s stuff, it seems.

    What I said from the Martin Campbell Appreciation page:
    After watching the Cleaner trailer, I wish even more that Daisy Ridley would join Bond. However, I'm still happy that she has a big future in Star Wars (provided that Rey is written better). Dirty Angels makes me happy that Eva Green was in Bond at all. I know she had some reservations about playing Vesper, but it truly worked out for her. Both could be at least decent, thanks more to their castings. As for Martin Campbell coming back to Bond, I could go either way. Age is only a number. However, I think Campbell wants to end on a high note with Bond. How many times though, can a Martin Campbell movie be advertised as "from the director of Casino Royale?" Do advertisers realize that Goldeneye and The Mark of Zorro are great movies as well? He is a man who truly gets action scenes well. For me, I think most people here though, I want as much fresh blood behind the scenes, particularly with the writing.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It is disheartening to realize that the wait for the next incarnation of Bond will be a long one.

    We probably won't get another Bond film until we know the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2028.

    Why?

    Nothing to do with politics, but I agree.; those nominees will be chosen in roughly three and a half years. At this point it’s reasonable to expect that there won’t be any real movement on the next incarnation of Bond for that amount of time.

    Hopefully it won’t be longer!

    If the world is still around, with these same Democrats and Republicans. Evil, Stupid, Crazy and been doing their "jobs" longer than they should. Kind of like the average Bond Villain, sadly!
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Martin Campbell is still directing. His new film The Cleaner has a trailer:



    Die Hard rip off?

    Maybe he has the stamina to do another Bond film. He is 81 so that has to be taken into consideration.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @bondywondy - 81 for some is not the same as 81 for others.

    @007ClassicBondFan - What is trendy these days? I

    What's trendy nowadays is 90s stuff, it seems.

    What I said from the Martin Campbell Appreciation page:
    After watching the Cleaner trailer, I wish even more that Daisy Ridley would join Bond. However, I'm still happy that she has a big future in Star Wars (provided that Rey is written better). Dirty Angels makes me happy that Eva Green was in Bond at all. I know she had some reservations about playing Vesper, but it truly worked out for her. Both could be at least decent, thanks more to their castings. As for Martin Campbell coming back to Bond, I could go either way. Age is only a number. However, I think Campbell wants to end on a high note with Bond. How many times though, can a Martin Campbell movie be advertised as "from the director of Casino Royale?" Do advertisers realize that Goldeneye and The Mark of Zorro are great movies as well? He is a man who truly gets action scenes well. For me, I think most people here though, I want as much fresh blood behind the scenes, particularly with the writing.

    As I said, Nothing to do with politics…
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I know @talos7 just having a bit of semi-serious fun.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    It is disheartening to realize that the wait for the next incarnation of Bond will be a long one.

    We probably won't get another Bond film until we know the Democrat and Republican nominees in 2028.

    Maybe they should just end the series with No Time To Die

    ???

    I wished they would come out and say that then

    You guys don't get it. They did END Craig's series with "No Time To Die". They consider his tenure as Bond as a separate series from the previous films even though there are some weird mixed messages within them like the Aston with gadgets. The series IS over and they will be starting a new one once they feel like the time is right.
  • edited December 16 Posts: 1,446
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Martin Campbell is still directing. His new film The Cleaner has a trailer:



    Die Hard rip off?

    Maybe he has the stamina to do another Bond film. He is 81 so that has to be taken into consideration.

    Green Lantern didn't work well.
    Prioritising CCBB, a pointless remake of a classic, over Bond 26? What is Babs thinking?

    Musicals are on fire.

    They should hire Campbell to make this movie. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 16 Posts: 8,452
    Prioritising CCBB, a pointless remake of a classic, over Bond 26? What is Babs thinking?

    It's because EON still doesn't know what they want to do with Bond or aren't ready to start making moves yet. In their rational putting out a CCBB remake and buying time is way less risky than pushing forth on the big next era of Bond before they have their ducks in a row.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited December 16 Posts: 15,168
    With EON pursuing a remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Daniel Craig’s Othello, is it possible they really aren’t interested in James Bond?

    After 25 films, could they end it.

    At the end of NTTD it stated James Bond will return, but then at the end of TSWLM it said he would return in FYEO. Things change.

  • edited December 16 Posts: 4,295
    We probably look at this way too narrowly. It’s understandable as we all want a Bond film and a lot of us don’t care about Shakespeare adaptations or even CCBB.

    I’d look at it like this - for better or for worse EON is more productive than it’s ever been. I don’t think this points to a company in stagnation or with a lack of creative interest. There does seem to be a long term commitment to Bond (ie. They were involved a bit with Project 007 and we’ll have two seasons of Road to a Million. Whether or not these things appeal to all of us is another matter, but Bond related media is being produced, and there is an expectation of a film even if they don’t have definitive details at this time).

    As for CCBB I think another adaptation could be interesting. I like the original film, but it’s not a favourite of mine and I don’t think it’s perfect. I’ve never read the book but from what I understand the film’s not a completely faithful adaptation, even if this will likely be in practice an adaptation of the film/musical.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited December 16 Posts: 1,673
    Worst case scenario is they finally went to hand it over to the next generation and the next generation has bad ideas. Something is holding them back. If they want to make money and stay a business, eventually, they will need to make a Bond film.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 16 Posts: 8,452
    Whatevers happening behind the scenes, it's very reasonable to assume that the record for longest gap between Bond's will be surpassed with Bond 26.

    Another safe assumption, I think, is that we will be getting a completely new crop of supporting players. Fiennes, Wishaw and Harris are all good in their roles, but are they really beloved by the public that EON will feel it necessary to bring them back?

    I think it would be cheaper for them to bring in some new names.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Whatevers happening behind the scenes, it's very reasonable to assume that the record for longest gap between Bond's will be surpassed with Bond 26.

    Another safe assumption, I think, is that we will be getting a completely new crop of supporting players. Fiennes, Wishaw and Harris are all good in their roles, but are they really beloved by the public that EON will feel it necessary to bring them back?

    I think it would be cheaper for them to bring in some new names.

    I agree. I think with timetables and careers evolving, we're moving into clean slate territory very quick.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Whatevers happening behind the scenes, it's very reasonable to assume that the record for longest gap between Bond's will be surpassed with Bond 26.

    Another safe assumption, I think, is that we will be getting a completely new crop of supporting players. Fiennes, Wishaw and Harris are all good in their roles, but are they really beloved by the public that EON will feel it necessary to bring them back?

    I think it would be cheaper for them to bring in some new names.

    I agree. I think with timetables and careers evolving, we're moving into clean slate territory very quick.

    Yeah, although they have been good ambassadors for the series, I doubt Whishaw wants to be playing Q for the rest of his life like Desmond did.
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    Benny wrote: »
    With EON pursuing a remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Daniel Craig’s Othello, is it possible they really aren’t interested in James Bond?

    After 25 films, could they end it.

    At the end of NTTD it stated James Bond will return, but then at the end of TSWLM it said he would return in FYEO. Things change.

    then they should come out and say its done.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Whatevers happening behind the scenes, it's very reasonable to assume that the record for longest gap between Bond's will be surpassed with Bond 26.

    Another safe assumption, I think, is that we will be getting a completely new crop of supporting players. Fiennes, Wishaw and Harris are all good in their roles, but are they really beloved by the public that EON will feel it necessary to bring them back?

    I think it would be cheaper for them to bring in some new names.

    I agree. I think with timetables and careers evolving, we're moving into clean slate territory very quick.

    Yeah, although they have been good ambassadors for the series, I doubt Whishaw wants to be playing Q for the rest of his life like Desmond did.

    Black Doves is very enjoyable, hard to imagine Desmond picking up a gun and playing an assassin after Q!
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    With EON pursuing a remake of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Daniel Craig’s Othello, is it possible they really aren’t interested in James Bond?

    After 25 films, could they end it.

    At the end of NTTD it stated James Bond will return, but then at the end of TSWLM it said he would return in FYEO. Things change.

    then they should come out and say its done.

    They would do a "George Lucas" first.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Just had a thought.

    Unless I missed something we still don't know what Tarantinos final film will be. What about a 60's style one off Bond film, an adaptation of moonraker with Micheal Fassbender as Bond?

    Yeah, setting the film in the 60's would eliminate product placement, but a tarantino movie would cost a lot less than the bloated 300 million productions were used to. Once upon a time in Hollywood only cost 100 million and made over 400 million at the boxoffice. Imagine what a 150 million dollar Tarantino Swansong Bond film would make. Also you could have Fassbender as Bond even though he is nearly 50, because its a one off story, and then do a proper reboot in 2030.

    Anyway just a thought, another idea chucked out there.
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    I don’t think a period piece Bond is something that will really resonate with audiences beyond certain fans. Most regular viewers kinda expect Bond films to be modern, and such a film wouldn’t be James Bond as most audiences expect. It’s an idea I can see backfiring quite badly in practice and not being worth the cost when compared to making the film contemporary.

    This is just my opinion as well, but I don’t think Fassbender would make a good Bond. I don’t think Tarantino would be a good pick for director either and I can’t see EON going for him (especially considering his weird claims he was the reason CR ‘06 got made, which in context of his ‘planned film’ is pretty laughable in my opinion).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Like I say it's not something I think has a high chance of actually happening.

    It's just if EON aren't sure what creative direction to go, then doing a standalone one-film arc, without any presumptions of making follow ups does have its advantages too.
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    Like I say it's not something I think has a high chance of actually happening.

    It's just if EON aren't sure what creative direction to go, then doing a standalone one-film arc, without any presumptions of making follow ups does have its advantages too.

    I can see the appeal, but again on a limited scale. I personally would have said in the past that adapting the Fleming novels faithfully for tv/streaming was a good idea. In practice now I can’t see it working or being worth it.

    I suppose as well they’d want to avoid a lame duck Bond who has only one film. It’s a role I think they’d want the actor in for as long as possible so audiences associate them with the role/franchise rather than being just a one off.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 19 Posts: 8,452
    In 2005 Batman Begins was an exploration of Fear, and was the precursor to a darker Bond. In 2025 Superman appears to be a treatise on hope and optimism, could it similarly be the harbinger of where Bond will find itself in a few years?
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    Well, I think it's more a case that Batman Begins and CR came from very similar contexts rather than one following the other's lead. Both franchises had gotten criticisms about being too 'silly' (very simplified, and obviously Bond didn't have a disaster along the lines of Batman and Robin, but very broadly that's the perception they both had at the time). Both took a conscious decision to be more grounded, go back to both characters' roots in some form, and effectively start over for their new eras. Part of it comes from the time they were made and perhaps other films that were about/successful at the time (ie. for Bond it was Bourne that had a lot of influence over the creative direction of CR).

    I think it'll be a similar case for the next one. Maybe there's something to the idea that there's more a willingness to lean into optimism nowadays (I'd personally say Nolan's latter two Batman films are horrendously cynical and actually quite weird when you dig into what they're trying to say, whereas Reeve's The Batman - for all its darkness and subversion which goes much further than Nolan's films - actually has quite an optimistic ending). But that doesn't necessarily mean we'll get a 'lighter' Bond film, and obviously we don't know for sure what we'll get until we do.
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    In 2005 Batman Begins was an exploration of Fear, and was the precursor to a darker Bond. In 2025 Superman appears to be a treatise on hope and optimism, could it similarly be the harbinger of where Bond will find itself in a few years?

    I don't know but Superman looks quite mediocre. Reminds me of Superman Returns.
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