Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2024 Posts: 6,420
    bondywondy wrote: »
    According to Sam Mendes, Barbara Broccoli has final say over who gets to play Bond... however Amazon own half the franchise and its extremely unlikely Amazon won't protest or won't put up some resistance if Eon want an actor that Amazon don't like. If Broccoli really did call Amazon "f-g idiots" then Amazon have no reason to play nice. If they don't take legal action against Eon for 'unreasonable delay/breach of contract' (or something along those lines) - the other ploy could be to veto Broccoli's choice of Bond, veto her choice of locations, veto aspects of the storyline.

    Amazon may be so powerful they're prepared to stall Bond 26 indefinitely and veto Broccoli's choice of Bond. That's the worst case scenario but maybe it's a temporary dispute and they'll resolve it and all be friends again. ;))
    Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel wrote:

    December 22 Posts: 4,412Flag
    Jeff Sneider has reported the following:

    It’s likely no coincidence that this week, I heard that Aaron Taylor-Johnson was out of the running for James Bond. I’m now confident that the role will end up going elsewhere. It’s not just that audiences didn’t have an appetite for Kraven this weekend, it’s that they didn’t seem to be particularly interested in Taylor-Johnson, whose name won’t be used to sell Sony’s 28 Years Later, either. That’s a Danny Boyle-Alex Garland movie as much as it is IP, but what it isn’t is the new Aaron Taylor-Johnson movie.

    So The Sun got it wrong? Shock horror. ;))

    Interestingly enough, The Sun did accurately predict Daniel Craig would be Bond. They ran news he was signed before the official Eon announcement.

    This is nonsense. A lawsuit between Eon and Amazon will *delay* the film, not make it happen.

    And by that point, it will be too late for Cavill to be Bond. On the plus side, it gives him time for acting classes.
  • edited December 2024 Posts: 388
    echo wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    According to Sam Mendes, Barbara Broccoli has final say over who gets to play Bond... however Amazon own half the franchise and its extremely unlikely Amazon won't protest or won't put up some resistance if Eon want an actor that Amazon don't like. If Broccoli really did call Amazon "f-g idiots" then Amazon have no reason to play nice. If they don't take legal action against Eon for 'unreasonable delay/breach of contract' (or something along those lines) - the other ploy could be to veto Broccoli's choice of Bond, veto her choice of locations, veto aspects of the storyline.

    Amazon may be so powerful they're prepared to stall Bond 26 indefinitely and veto Broccoli's choice of Bond. That's the worst case scenario but maybe it's a temporary dispute and they'll resolve it and all be friends again. ;))
    Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel wrote:

    December 22 Posts: 4,412Flag
    Jeff Sneider has reported the following:

    It’s likely no coincidence that this week, I heard that Aaron Taylor-Johnson was out of the running for James Bond. I’m now confident that the role will end up going elsewhere. It’s not just that audiences didn’t have an appetite for Kraven this weekend, it’s that they didn’t seem to be particularly interested in Taylor-Johnson, whose name won’t be used to sell Sony’s 28 Years Later, either. That’s a Danny Boyle-Alex Garland movie as much as it is IP, but what it isn’t is the new Aaron Taylor-Johnson movie.

    So The Sun got it wrong? Shock horror. ;))

    Interestingly enough, The Sun did accurately predict Daniel Craig would be Bond. They ran news he was signed before the official Eon announcement.

    This is nonsense. A lawsuit between Eon and Amazon will *delay* the film, not make it happen.

    And by that point, it will be too late for Cavill to be Bond. On the plus side, it gives him time for acting classes.

    I think a lawsuit is a reasonable, potential scenario. Put it this way, imagine you're Amazon and you want to make Bond films. You paid billions to acquire MGM studio and a 50 percent stake in the James Bond franchise.

    Barbara Broccoli is refusing to work with Amazon (maybe she feels she is protecting the franchise and doing it for honourable reasons). Amazon don't care what her reasons are, all they want is to make Bond films, hopefully decent ones - but they can't wait years and years for Eon to be "ready." So if you were Amazon what would you do?

    File a lawsuit for unreasonable delay.
    Yes, you can file a lawsuit for an unreasonable delay in contract law if the delay meets certain criteria:
    Contract terms
    If the contract states that time is "of the essence", you can terminate the contract and claim damages for any delay. If the contract doesn't include this phrase, you can still claim damages, but you can't terminate the contract.
    Unreasonable delay
    If the delay was so unreasonable that it constituted an intentional abandonment of the contract, you can file a lawsuit.
    Bad faith
    If the delay was caused by the other party's bad faith, willful, malicious, or grossly negligent conduct, you can file a lawsuit.
    Uncontemplated delay
    If the delay was unexpected, you can file a lawsuit.
    Breach of fundamental obligation
    If the delay was caused by the other party's breach of a fundamental obligation of the contract, you can file a lawsuit.

    I think Amazon have a good case. No Time To Die was released in 2021. It's original date was 2019 then 2020. It's almost 2025. If there's no development by summer or autumn 2025 maybe Amazon should say "that's it. We've had enough waiting. You haven't provided us with any screenplay, any draft, nothing. See you in court!"

    Amazon can wait for years and years if they want to. They don't need Bond nor MGM. They make enough money but as they did buy MGM and they have half ownership of the Bond franchise they might as well file a lawsuit and get things moving.

    It's possible the threat of a lawsuit might make Broccoli think twice about calling Amazon fking idiots! A reality check.🤭


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    EoN could defend themselves with valid reasons for the delay. We don't know what the contract is about release timing - in theory it could be this.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Having just watched Juror #2, I'm reminded that Hoult could do it. He's done indie films and franchise films, drama and comedy. He has decades of experience and can handle the media and fame.

    He'd basically be a Moore-level choice, well-known but not obvious, with wide experience in film as opposed to Moore's TV resume.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    Having just watched Juror #2, I'm reminded that Hoult could do it. He's done indie films and franchise films, drama and comedy. He has decades of experience and can handle the media and fame.

    He'd basically be a Moore-level choice, well-known but not obvious, with wide experience in film as opposed to Moore's TV resume.

    I think Hoult would be a very solid and safe pair of hands for the series.
    From what I’ve seen of him, he handles the press and media well. He’s also a very fine actor, who I believe could make a very credible Bond. Certainly different from Craig, so as not to be too comparable.
    I’d be more than happy if he were cast.


  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Yes, for me Hoult is one of the best candidates.
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    Yes, for me Hoult is one of the best candidates.

    We don't want Superman but we do want Lex Luthor. :-?

    I think it's too late. I think that if EON wants someone little known they have to hurry. They are not the only ones who hire actors.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Yes, for me Hoult is one of the best candidates.

    We don't want Superman but we do want Lex Luthor. :-?

    I think it's too late. I think that if EON wants someone little known they have to hurry. They are not the only ones who hire actors.

    I'm not one of those people who say we can't have an actor connected to another franchise. Scheduling is the only real problem in my mind, and depending on DC's plans for Lex, that could be a problem.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah Superman is a big potential issue: I don't think they're keen on hiring actors who are contracted to other franchises. I tend to agree though that he could do it, and he's got the level of screen experience which wouldn't make them too nervous about hiring him.
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    I find him a tad youthful looking for Lex Luthor. And for Bond too, to be honest. (And yes, I know I often say they need to cast a younger actor as Bond).
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I find him a tad youthful looking for Lex Luthor. And for Bond too, to be honest. (And yes, I know I often say they need to cast a younger actor as Bond).

    He’s 35, so with no new film on the horizon if he were given the role, he could potentially be the same age as Craig in CR.
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    Benny wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I find him a tad youthful looking for Lex Luthor. And for Bond too, to be honest. (And yes, I know I often say they need to cast a younger actor as Bond).

    He’s 35, so with no new film on the horizon if he were given the role, he could potentially be the same age as Craig in CR.

    At the rate things are going, he might be old enough to play M when they start casting for Bond 26.

    No but more seriously, there's another possibility: they could recast Luthor if he's cast as Bond. I still think a more mature and bulkier actor should play Superman's nemesis in any case.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Luthor may not survive the first film as far we know, although I guess he likely will.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited December 2024 Posts: 8,283
    He would be a solid choice, and won’t be getting any younger looking; if anything his youthful appearance will benefit a 10 to 15 year run as Bond. He looks now and will grow nicely into the role.
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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    He would be a solid choice, and won’t be getting any younger looking; if anything his youthful appearance will benefit a 10 to 15 year run as Bond. He looks now and will grow nicely into the role.
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    Yes but I fear we'd get the Brosnan effect, where it looks like he ages 10 years between GE and TND.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    He would be a solid choice, and won’t be getting any younger looking; if anything his youthful appearance will benefit a 10 to 15 year run as Bond. He looks now and will grow nicely into the role.
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    Yes but I fear we'd get the Brosnan effect, where it looks like he ages 10 years between GE and TND.

    Which absolutely was a positive; Brosnan looked his best in TND and TWINE.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think he just put a little bit of weight on for TND, as some folks thought he looked too slight. I think the massive bouffant probably didn't help either! :D
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think he just put a little bit of weight on for TND, as some folks thought he looked too slight. I think the massive bouffant probably didn't help either! :D

    Exactly…
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    I think it's one of those weird little Bond trivia facts that Brosnan was both the lightest and heaviest Bond in terms of weight (the former in GE and the latter in DAD). I'd say he looks good in both (although in the latter he doesn't especially look like a man who's spent 18 months in a Korean POW camp!)

    As for Hoult, I really don't know. He's not someone I can picture in the role, but I like him as an actor.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think it's one of those weird little Bond trivia facts that Brosnan was both the lightest and heaviest Bond in terms of weight (the former in GE and the latter in DAD). I'd say he looks good in both (although in the latter he doesn't especially look like a man who's spent 18 months in a Korean POW camp!)

    As for Hoult, I really don't know. He's not someone I can picture in the role, but I like him as an actor.

    Brosnan looked overfed in DAD.
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    There's no chance it will be Hoult for some of the same reasons it won't be ATJ.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited December 2024 Posts: 1,704
    Unrelated but that watch Hoult is wearing is kind of ugly.
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    There's no chance it will be Hoult for some of the same reasons it won't be ATJ.

    Can you elaborate? I'm curious what the overlap is. Hoult seems far and away the more capable actor with a better resume. His daily voice isn't a concern, and there would be zero talk of nepotism given his wife isn't in bed with Eon already. I think Hoult is the clear winner out of the two, depending on schedule.
  • edited December 2024 Posts: 4,437
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think it's one of those weird little Bond trivia facts that Brosnan was both the lightest and heaviest Bond in terms of weight (the former in GE and the latter in DAD). I'd say he looks good in both (although in the latter he doesn't especially look like a man who's spent 18 months in a Korean POW camp!)

    As for Hoult, I really don't know. He's not someone I can picture in the role, but I like him as an actor.

    Brosnan looked overfed in DAD.

    Haha, if I'm critical I will say it's clear at certain points they're trying to clothe Brosnan in particular ways (there's the fencing scene where Toby Stephens looks quite broad and toned in his vest. Brosnan, on the other hand, has long sleeves and there seems to be an effort to cover him up a bit more). I think he's also doing the thing Connery used to do (apparently) which was to suck in his stomach a bit during the scenes when he's in his hospital gown. I also remember some of his suits/clothes in that film being slightly baggier (might be more the fashion of the time though, I don't know).

    But he really doesn't look bad at all. Maybe just not quite what was needed for this particular Bond film (it's quite a contrast to, say, Craig in SF who genuinely looks a bit guant and unshaven in the first third).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think it's one of those weird little Bond trivia facts that Brosnan was both the lightest and heaviest Bond in terms of weight (the former in GE and the latter in DAD). I'd say he looks good in both (although in the latter he doesn't especially look like a man who's spent 18 months in a Korean POW camp!)

    As for Hoult, I really don't know. He's not someone I can picture in the role, but I like him as an actor.

    Brosnan looked overfed in DAD.

    Haha, if I'm critical I will say it's clear at certain points they're trying to clothe Brosnan in particular ways (there's the fencing scene where Toby Stephens looks quite broad and toned in his vest. Brosnan, on the other hand, has long sleeves and there seems to be an effort to cover him up a bit more).

    I often wish they'd padded his legs out a bit in that scene, he's got really skinny chicken legs in it! :D
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
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    unless they are doing another reboot i don't buy Hoult as an experienced military man/secret agent
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Unrelated but that watch Hoult is wearing is kind of ugly.
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    There's no chance it will be Hoult for some of the same reasons it won't be ATJ.

    Can you elaborate? I'm curious what the overlap is. Hoult seems far and away the more capable actor with a better resume. His daily voice isn't a concern, and there would be zero talk of nepotism given his wife isn't in bed with Eon already. I think Hoult is the clear winner out of the two, depending on schedule.

    They both look like boys, lack any intimidating screen presence and they have to try to look tough.

    They've also both been very much in the public eye for ages which doesn't help them for different reasons.
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    weboffear wrote: »
    unless they are doing another reboot i don't buy Hoult as an experienced military man/secret agent

    It will be a reboot.
  • edited December 2024 Posts: 388
    Hoult doesn't seem particularly 'alpha male' for Bond. I know that's a cheesy cliché term but I couldn't think of a better way to put it. Maybe he has the acting chops to play a suave dangerous spy but I'd rather keep looking for someone else. His profile/salary will rise if Superman 2025 is a big hit. He plays Lex Luthor. My guess is Eon would go for a less high profile actor.


    The Hollywood Reporter predicts Josh O'Connor will be the next James Bond.
    Bond 26, the next iteration of 007, has been the source of endless speculation — particularly which lucky actor will next play the secret agent after Daniel Craig hung up the tuxedo for good in 2021’s No Time to Die. A loose consensus formed around Kraven the Hunter star Aaron Taylor-Johnson. But Bond series producer Barbara Broccoli has always led from the gut, not caved to popular opinion. Lest we forget, the fair-haired Craig was considered a highly controversial choice when he was first announced in 2005. 2025 will thus be the year we finally learn the identity of the new James Bond, and it will not be Taylor-Johnson. It will be an English actor poised on the cusp of superstardom — familiar to audiences but not too familiar, with a seductive smile, ease with a tossed-off one-liner and charisma to spare. The next James Bond will be Josh O’Connor. – Seth Abramovitch

    I'm guessing we're moving away from the 'Aaron Taylor-Johnson is Bond,will be signed next week, has filmed the gun barrel opening, signed a four picture deal' ;)) era to the new era of 'Josh O'Connor is Bond, will sign next week, is the only man Eon want.'

    This will probably last six months then some new bloke will come along for the click bait media to obsess over and everyone will forget about O'Connor.

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, tbh Hoult is another one where I find it easier to picture him as The Saint than Bond. Like bondywondy says, Hoult has plenty of suave charm - but maybe lacking the weight and gravitas that Bond should (IMO) have?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    At least John O'Connor has a certain cheekiness to him. We need to give Bond personality again, make him suave, charming and enigmatic. It's okay to have the gentlemen Spy persona, there's no reason that should be considered verboten.
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