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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    Hmm! What on earth could Bond do that won't involve politicians, billionaires, and ongoing wars? Maybe that was the enjoyment on the Connery series. The stories weren't ripped from the headlines. As it is, for the next four years we're going to get a daily dose of the big players. I am not interested in Bond taking on fictionalized versions of today's who's who in the headlines. I want to escape that. I am doing my best not to get caught up in the daily blather. Why waste time and create anxiety that changes nothing? I want a Bond film that takes me away from the world, not one that drags me into it further.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 584
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hmm! What on earth could Bond do that won't involve politicians, billionaires, and ongoing wars? Maybe that was the enjoyment on the Connery series. The stories weren't ripped from the headlines. As it is, for the next four years we're going to get a daily dose of the big players. I am not interested in Bond taking on fictionalized versions of today's who's who in the headlines. I want to escape that. I am doing my best not to get caught up in the daily blather. Why waste time and create anxiety that changes nothing? I want a Bond film that takes me away from the world, not one that drags me into it further.

    I'm sorry if you're saying the Connery films were not impacted by current events then I don't know what to say. The first three villains are a Chinese man, a Russian woman, and a Nazi teaming up with Koreans.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,240
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hmm! What on earth could Bond do that won't involve politicians, billionaires, and ongoing wars? Maybe that was the enjoyment on the Connery series. The stories weren't ripped from the headlines. As it is, for the next four years we're going to get a daily dose of the big players. I am not interested in Bond taking on fictionalized versions of today's who's who in the headlines. I want to escape that. I am doing my best not to get caught up in the daily blather. Why waste time and create anxiety that changes nothing? I want a Bond film that takes me away from the world, not one that drags me into it further.

    I'm sorry if you're saying the Connery films were not impacted by current events then I don't know what to say. The first three villains are a Chinese man, a Russian woman, and a Nazi teaming up with Koreans.

    Goldfinger is British though.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 584
    Benny wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hmm! What on earth could Bond do that won't involve politicians, billionaires, and ongoing wars? Maybe that was the enjoyment on the Connery series. The stories weren't ripped from the headlines. As it is, for the next four years we're going to get a daily dose of the big players. I am not interested in Bond taking on fictionalized versions of today's who's who in the headlines. I want to escape that. I am doing my best not to get caught up in the daily blather. Why waste time and create anxiety that changes nothing? I want a Bond film that takes me away from the world, not one that drags me into it further.

    I'm sorry if you're saying the Connery films were not impacted by current events then I don't know what to say. The first three villains are a Chinese man, a Russian woman, and a Nazi teaming up with Koreans.

    Goldfinger is British though.

    The Nazi goldbar obsession is signaling something about his political leanings, and how it relates to post-War Britain/British anxieties!
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    Trump, Putin, Musk, and the Ukraine war will be in the news daily for the next four years.
    Most likely longer. I don't need a Bond film dishing out more of that crap.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,831
    Why would you think they would? They've never done that.
    I'm afraid that a villain may well be a super rich person, but it's hardly Bond's fault that real life is copying it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,367
    mtm wrote: »
    Why would you think they would? They've never done that.
    I'm afraid that a villain may well be a super rich person, but it's hardly Bond's fault that real life is copying it.

    @mtm
    I was thinking the same thing. Rather than Bond copying real life, it almost feels like real life is copying Bond. If Carver, Orlov, "C", and Graves/Moon set down for some cheese and wine, we'd pretty much have a reflection of world politics, I suppose. ;-)

    Oh, I'm very disappointed. A real-life Stromberg would have been so much better. I'd love to live under the sea. Or Drax... since I'm a physically perfect specimen. ;-)
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited January 19 Posts: 4,462
    The appeal of Bond isn’t that they’re completely divorced from our reality. Just look at what’s going on in these films - the Connery ones clearly took place in the context of the Cold War and frequently referenced tensions between the West and East. Same for the Moore films. The Craig films took place in a post 9/11 world to the point it’s outright said in CR. GE is about a post Cold War world etc.

    The fact is Bond always has one foot in the door with the real world and the events of the day. It goes back as far as Fleming. The appeal of Bond is that it’s heightened reality - that someone like James Bond can come along and defeat what are essentially exaggerated versions of the evils of the world.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,831
    Yes, well said. You might get the occasional fictional country here and there, but it's very much the exception rather than the rule.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 584
    007HallY wrote: »
    The appeal of Bond isn’t that they’re completely divorced from our reality. Just look at what’s going on in these films - the Connery ones clearly took place in the context of the Cold War and frequently referenced tensions between the West and East. Same for the Moore films. The Craig films took place in a post 9/11 world to the point it’s outright said in CR. GE is about a post Cold War world etc.

    The fact is Bond always has one foot in the door with the real world and the events of the day. It goes back as far as Fleming. The appeal of Bond is that it’s heightened reality - that someone like James Bond can come along and defeat what are essentially exaggerated versions of the evils of the world.

    Exactly, yes. They are always inspired by current events of the day but not beholden to them. The political context of their moments are important, as the stories don't want to stray too far.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 2,014
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As 2025 is the 10th anniversary of SPECTRE, next year we can officially say there had been only one Bond movie made in a ten year span.

    so ridiculous this is the case. Cubby be rolling over in his grave
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,088
    @mtm - Why would I think the writers might cook up fictionalized versions of Trump, Putin, Musk, and the war in Ukraine?

    According to you, they've never done that, which doesn't square with your agreement of the following: The appeal of Bond isn’t that they’re completely divorced from our reality. Just look at what’s going on in these films - the Connery ones clearly took place in the context of the Cold War and frequently referenced tensions between the West and East. Same for the Moore films. The Craig films took place in a post 9/11 world to the point it’s outright said in CR. GE is about a post Cold War world etc.

    The fact is Bond always has one foot in the door with the real world and the events of the day. It goes back as far as Fleming. The appeal of Bond is that it’s heightened reality - that someone like James Bond can come along and defeat what are essentially exaggerated versions of the evils of the world.
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, well said. You might get the occasional fictional country here and there, but it's very much the exception rather than the rule.

    Heightened reality? Exaggerated versions of the evils of the world? Looks to me as if it has been done in Bond films. My hope is the next series doesn't present us with fictionalized versions of the people I mentioned and current world affairs. Adventure and escapism will be a lot more interesting than rehashing what will be on the news every night.

    As far as it's not Bond's fault real life is copying Bond, I didn't say that, nor imply it. That was you. I have no idea what you mean.
  • BMB007BMB007
    Posts: 584
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As 2025 is the 10th anniversary of SPECTRE, next year we can officially say there had been only one Bond movie made in a ten year span.

    so ridiculous this is the case. Cubby be rolling over in his grave

    I think if Cubby Broccoli came back to life right now and saw that Bond had his biggest moments since the peak of Bondmania under his daughter and step-son's stewardship he would be very proud.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,367
    If Cubby and Harry had been able to sort things out back in the day, we wouldn't be stuck in this Amazon mess.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,831
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @mtm - Why would I think the writers might cook up fictionalized versions of Trump, Putin, Musk, and the war in Ukraine?

    According to you, they've never done that, which doesn't square with your agreement of the following: The appeal of Bond isn’t that they’re completely divorced from our reality. Just look at what’s going on in these films - the Connery ones clearly took place in the context of the Cold War and frequently referenced tensions between the West and East. Same for the Moore films. The Craig films took place in a post 9/11 world to the point it’s outright said in CR. GE is about a post Cold War world etc.

    The fact is Bond always has one foot in the door with the real world and the events of the day. It goes back as far as Fleming. The appeal of Bond is that it’s heightened reality - that someone like James Bond can come along and defeat what are essentially exaggerated versions of the evils of the world.
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, well said. You might get the occasional fictional country here and there, but it's very much the exception rather than the rule.

    Heightened reality? Exaggerated versions of the evils of the world? Looks to me as if it has been done in Bond films. My hope is the next series doesn't present us with fictionalized versions of the people I mentioned and current world affairs. Adventure and escapism will be a lot more interesting than rehashing what will be on the news every night.

    As far as it's not Bond's fault real life is copying Bond, I didn't say that, nor imply it. That was you. I have no idea what you mean.

    You seem to think there’s some kind of gotcha here, but you’re really not finding contradictions here.
    I could well say that your praise for the Connery films not doing it is a contradiction in itself if you think you’ve somehow caught me out here.
    You’re not going to see fictionalised versions of Trump, Putin or Musk or any of that other ‘crap’ in the films, as you complained about, because they have never done that (okay, we got comedy Thatcher)- you didn’t get any versions of any real world leaders playing a part in the plots. But the films, even the Connerys, have always been set in the current geopolitical situation to some extent. If you thought Bond facing off against Russians in FRWL was totally escapist from the world situation I can’t help you.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If Cubby and Harry had been able to sort things out back in the day, we wouldn't be stuck in this Amazon mess.

    Yes, well said. The problem here originates with Cubby.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,541
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    If Cubby and Harry had been able to sort things out back in the day, we wouldn't be stuck in this Amazon mess.

    And if they hadn't been greedy, Connery would have been Bond in the 70s.

    ;)

    You can't change the past.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,462
    Yes, there's not much that can be done, and there'll always be issues. I'm sure if Cubby Broccoli was alive he wouldn't be disappointed at the state of the franchise despite the current problems.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    @mtm - Why would I think the writers might cook up fictionalized versions of Trump, Putin, Musk, and the war in Ukraine?

    According to you, they've never done that, which doesn't square with your agreement of the following: The appeal of Bond isn’t that they’re completely divorced from our reality. Just look at what’s going on in these films - the Connery ones clearly took place in the context of the Cold War and frequently referenced tensions between the West and East. Same for the Moore films. The Craig films took place in a post 9/11 world to the point it’s outright said in CR. GE is about a post Cold War world etc.

    The fact is Bond always has one foot in the door with the real world and the events of the day. It goes back as far as Fleming. The appeal of Bond is that it’s heightened reality - that someone like James Bond can come along and defeat what are essentially exaggerated versions of the evils of the world.
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, well said. You might get the occasional fictional country here and there, but it's very much the exception rather than the rule.

    Heightened reality? Exaggerated versions of the evils of the world? Looks to me as if it has been done in Bond films. My hope is the next series doesn't present us with fictionalized versions of the people I mentioned and current world affairs. Adventure and escapism will be a lot more interesting than rehashing what will be on the news every night.

    As far as it's not Bond's fault real life is copying Bond, I didn't say that, nor imply it. That was you. I have no idea what you mean.

    I agree to an extent, I don't want a fictionalised version of Elon Musk just because it's 'relevant' (and seemingly neither does EON going from the WSJ article). But Bond films do have some sort of basis in current world events. It's kind of baked into the concept with the books/early films and the Cold War. It's escapism, but it's not completely detached from the real world. That's just how James Bond works.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 20 Posts: 3,199
    Although if it's true that Cubby vetoed Sean Bean, there's a good chance he wouldn't've hired Craig in a million years - so if Cubby were alive, who knows where the Bond films would be?
  • Since62Since62
    Posts: 1,659
    Where does Bond go after Craig ? There is a significant clue in NSNA. Assuming Bond would like to go someplace where he had a good time, he might wish to go to Philadelphia.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited January 21 Posts: 390
    With Donald Trump back in the White House and threatening to take ownership of the Panana canal... maybe that could be used as the main plot in Bond 26?

    A villain threatens to destroy the Panama canal. The film would feature a huge action scene on and around the canal.
    The Panama Canal (Spanish: Canal de Panamá) is an artificial 82-kilometer (51-mile) waterway in Panama that connects the Caribbean Sea with the Pacific Ocean. It cuts across the narrowest point of the Isthmus of Panama, and is a conduit for maritime trade between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.

    I think this could have major potential and it's semi realistic. If the canal were destroyed - or a large part of it - it could impact the world's economy. The villain could try to blackmail the United Nations or some Bond universe equivalent of the UN. "Give me what I want or I destroy the canal."

    Maybe add some AI type robots or drones to spice up the story. 😉

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,831
    The canal actually would be a good target for a Bond film: it's a bit like Electra's plan in TWINE which I rather liked of destroying the competition to her pipeline (which is, in effect, another remake of the Goldfinger plan of eliminating your competition's assets to make yours more valuable), but now that it's involved in real world diplomatic tensions you can be certain it won't appear in a Bond film! :D
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Would be the perfect opportunity to return to Isthmus City - love to see the fictional places reused.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
    Posts: 305
    There have been similar plots done across the world as well: of course the Suez Crisis in the fifties, and also of course the Houthis in Red Sea near the Suez Canal. Could be useful in re-adding some Naval feel of the stories.

    And also sabotage of under-water communication cables and pipelines in Finland and Norway as well. The main issue is making a full film out of those relatively simple ideas.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,543
    We've seen with the last film that EON is not shy of lean into a Science fiction conceit in the modern day (nanobots, Blofelds eye etc.), could we see a Bond film have a supernatural element in future a la Live And Let Die?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,240
    The odd bit of voodoo in LALD was ok, even having Baron Samedi survive at the end wasn’t too bad. It didn’t dwell on it too much.
    As for a return, or super natural elements in a future Bond film then I say absolutely not!
    Bond is not based in a world of the super natural, nor is he based in a world of science fiction.
    So no more time in space or laser battles.
    He can live in a world of improbable and even far fetched. One foot in the future kind of thing, but it should always remain logical and possible if that makes sense.
    I have no desire to see Bond interact with a ghost, or play with a ouija board though.
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
    Posts: 1,033
    Bond stumbles into a room full of Ouija Board participants. That could be fun.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,462
    I’d be up for a villain using ‘tricks’ to come across as supernatural. That’s very LALD.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’d be up for a villain using ‘tricks’ to come across as supernatural. That’s very LALD.

    It’s also similar to Dr. No and his supposed “dragon” that inhabits Crab Key.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,831
    It's all a bit 'fooling the stupid superstitious natives' though, is there a way of doing it nowadays which doesn't feel a bit, y'know, racist?
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,332
    mtm wrote: »
    It's all a bit 'fooling the stupid superstitious natives' though, is there a way of doing it nowadays which doesn't feel a bit, y'know, racist?

    Most likely not these days.
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