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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.

    I know, but since we were talking Batman it occurred to me that I totally forgot about that one, I earlier stated that the only Batman films I tend to revisit Batman Returns and Batman Begins are, so I just wanted to correct myself and add Mask of the Phantasm to that list. Sorry if that was unclear.

    What might be controversial though, is that I hated Joker, which I found nasty, ill-spirited and downright tasteless.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.

    I know, but since we were talking Batman it occurred to me that I totally forgot about that one, I earlier stated that the only Batman films I tend to revisit Batman Returns and Batman Begins are, so I just wanted to correct myself and add Mask of the Phantasm to that list. Sorry if that was unclear.

    What might be controversial though, is that I hated Joker, which I found nasty, ill-spirited and downright tasteless.

    Glad I'm not the only one! Didn't like that film at all!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 3 Posts: 17,194
    I haven't seen Joker, I have no interest at all in it. I've seen the 70s Scorsese films and they were excellent, everything I've seen of it makes it look like a comic book cover version of those and it has no appeal for me.

    ITVX in the UK has recently added Pennyworth however, which I hadn't seen because it was previously on some obscure paid services, and that's good fun so far.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I got half way through The Joker and gave up.

    I found what i watched derivative and shallow. It's insulting that it's connected to the DC character.
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    You're not missing much with Joker. I didn't mind it necessarily, although yeah, shallow's not a bad word to use about it. I kinda expected a film about the Joker to have a bit more black humour rather than what it was. More King of Comedy than Taxi Driver I guess.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited February 3 Posts: 4,659
    I watched it once, years after it came out. I didn't like or dislike it but never had any reason to revisit it or the universally panned sequel
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think the sequel is quite as bad as people make it out to be.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    All I took from Batman Returns is that Tim Burton wasn't particularly interested in Batman..

    As I said on the Batman thread, BR is WAY TOO MUCH Tim Burton. To the point, WB should have arguably told him to tone his style down more than once. Long before the final product came out. While directors deserve their visions shown, there does come a point where someone should be told no. As @DarthDimi said, the dark fantasy works for the look of Gotham City. For the characters occupying Gotham, mixed results. As for TDK writing, the Nolans do tend to have some plot holes and cliches. Also, I'm surprised that WB and DC didn't ask for some The Animated Series people for more ideas and stories. They had that perfect mix of those director's styles.

    The makers of The Animated series certainly did get Batman. and as you say, got the perfect mix of styles.

    Their treatment of Harvey Dent/Two Face is the best portrayal of the character bar none.

    Now that you mention animation, I quite liked Mask of the Phantasm, which I totally forgot about, but if you ask me now I think I like that one the best out of all the Batman films.

    Mask of the Phantasm is one of the best Batman stories ever told. In any media. I actually don’t think that’s controversial for any Batman fan. Or any fan on this site, honestly.

    Never seen it.
  • Posts: 12,598
    Not sure how people who might have seen it feel about it on this site, but a mixed reception movie I love is The Phantom of the Opera (2004). I have a strange, profound nostalgia for it, and find it a very satisfying version of the musical while many others don’t care for the actors / singing in it. It’s my personal favorite edition of the story, though I’ve also read the original novel and seen an off-Broadway play and enjoyed those a lot as well. One day I’ll have to check out some of the other movies of it.
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    Strange fact about The Phantom of the Opera : Although the novel is french, there hasn't been a single french adaptation of it in movies or TV. Funny, that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited February 10 Posts: 24,494
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    Battleship: It's a surprisingly enjoyable movie! Before the pearl-clutchers scoff, let me explain why.

    When you crack open a bag of potato chips, what are you after? Something crunchy, oily, and salty—definitely not haute cuisine. Good chips don't need truffles or Wagyu beef; they're all about that crispy potato, a layer of delicious fat, and loads of salt.

    Battleship is like those potato chips. It serves up silly action, spectacle, attractive actors, a fantastic Steve Jablonsky score, and that "ooh-rah!" military vibe. It's your salty, crispy, paprika-coated entertainment fix.

    But here's the kicker—it's based on the old Hasbro board game. Transformed into an aliens-versus-us rollercoaster ride, Battleship is pure, silly fun. Yes, critics might call it dumb, but so what? Eating chips is dumb too, yet we all love it. Sports can be dumb. Some Bond films too. But dumb can be incredibly fun.

    Craving Wagyu? Go watch Citizen Kane. But don't pretend supermarket chips aren't wildly popular and mood-boosting. Battleship has that same magic. It's not high art, nor does it need to be. Personally, I enjoy it for what it is—a fun escape that lets my inner kid revel in some harmless entertainment, nestled between Kubrick and a bit of Almodóvar.

    Remember, sometimes it's okay to indulge in the cinematic equivalent of potato chips—simple, satisfying, and just plain fun.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's a Bond movie forum, you don't exactly have to sell us on the idea that big silly action films can be enjoyable :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    It's a Bond movie forum, you don't exactly have to sell us on the idea that big silly action films can be enjoyable :))

    Exactly! That’s why I sometimes find it frustrating when critics dismiss a film as “stupid” just because it doesn’t tackle hard-hitting drama or deep psychological themes. Entertainment is a vast landscape—we can pick and choose what suits our mood. Some days call for "CR," other days for "DAD," and that’s perfectly fine. ;-)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It's a Bond movie forum, you don't exactly have to sell us on the idea that big silly action films can be enjoyable :))

    Exactly! That’s why I sometimes find it frustrating when critics dismiss a film as “stupid” just because it doesn’t tackle hard-hitting drama or deep psychological themes. Entertainment is a vast landscape—we can pick and choose what suits our mood. Some days call for "CR," other days for "DAD," and that’s perfectly fine. ;-)

    100% agreed. As I'm watching the Die Hard and John Wick series. Talk about silly and over the top at certain points!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,494
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It's a Bond movie forum, you don't exactly have to sell us on the idea that big silly action films can be enjoyable :))

    Exactly! That’s why I sometimes find it frustrating when critics dismiss a film as “stupid” just because it doesn’t tackle hard-hitting drama or deep psychological themes. Entertainment is a vast landscape—we can pick and choose what suits our mood. Some days call for "CR," other days for "DAD," and that’s perfectly fine. ;-)

    100% agreed. As I'm watching the Die Hard and John Wick series. Talk about silly and over the top at certain points!

    A solid 8/9 for me. I love the John Wicks, and all the Die Hards except that abysmal Die Hard 5. I want to give a special shoutout to Die Hard 4, a film that doesn't nearly get the love it deserves. Kev Smith and Justin Long AND Maggie Q in a Die Hard flick? Yes, I went to see that film twice when it came out.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I liked Battleship.

    Oh and I enjoy Matrix Reloaded over the first film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I liked Battleship.

    Oh and I enjoy Matrix Reloaded over the first film.

    Another great example. I wouldn't say I like it better than the first film, but I am a huge Matrix fan, including the sequels. And that car chase in Reloaded is excellent!
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    Gerard wrote: »
    Strange fact about The Phantom of the Opera : Although the novel is french, there hasn't been a single french adaptation of it in movies or TV. Funny, that.

    Tragic. I love the novel, far superior to its most famous adaptation. I think it's time for a proper, faithful one, the way the Chaney version was. Surely, with Nosferatu being released, audiences are open to more classic horror.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It's a Bond movie forum, you don't exactly have to sell us on the idea that big silly action films can be enjoyable :))

    Exactly! That’s why I sometimes find it frustrating when critics dismiss a film as “stupid” just because it doesn’t tackle hard-hitting drama or deep psychological themes. Entertainment is a vast landscape—we can pick and choose what suits our mood. Some days call for "CR," other days for "DAD," and that’s perfectly fine. ;-)

    100% agreed. As I'm watching the Die Hard and John Wick series. Talk about silly and over the top at certain points!

    A solid 8/9 for me. I love the John Wicks, and all the Die Hards except that abysmal Die Hard 5. I want to give a special shoutout to Die Hard 4, a film that doesn't nearly get the love it deserves. Kev Smith and Justin Long AND Maggie Q in a Die Hard flick? Yes, I went to see that film twice when it came out.

    I always try to complete a movie series. I know that Die Hard 5 isn't beloved, but it makes sense for me to finish the series.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,659
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I liked Battleship.

    Oh and I enjoy Matrix Reloaded over the first film.

    Another great example. I wouldn't say I like it better than the first film, but I am a huge Matrix fan, including the sequels. And that car chase in Reloaded is excellent!

    The chateau fight and the highway chase is easily the best action sequence(s) in the series.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    Strange fact about The Phantom of the Opera : Although the novel is french, there hasn't been a single french adaptation of it in movies or TV. Funny, that.

    Tragic. I love the novel, far superior to its most famous adaptation. I think it's time for a proper, faithful one, the way the Chaney version was. Surely, with Nosferatu being released, audiences are open to more classic horror.

    It's a shame when there's no adaption in the most authentic language. I was really happy with the French-language Three Musketeers (or I'd better say "trois mousquetaires" ;) ) starring Eva Green from a few years ago, as well as with the recent Spanish-language Zorro series.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    Strange fact about The Phantom of the Opera : Although the novel is french, there hasn't been a single french adaptation of it in movies or TV. Funny, that.

    Tragic. I love the novel, far superior to its most famous adaptation. I think it's time for a proper, faithful one, the way the Chaney version was. Surely, with Nosferatu being released, audiences are open to more classic horror.

    It's a shame when there's no adaption in the most authentic language. I was really happy with the French-language Three Musketeers (or I'd better say "trois mousquetaires" ;) ) starring Eva Green from a few years ago, as well as with the recent Spanish-language Zorro series.

    I heard they recently made a very good adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo. So they should be able to do the same with the Phantom.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    Strange fact about The Phantom of the Opera : Although the novel is french, there hasn't been a single french adaptation of it in movies or TV. Funny, that.

    Tragic. I love the novel, far superior to its most famous adaptation. I think it's time for a proper, faithful one, the way the Chaney version was. Surely, with Nosferatu being released, audiences are open to more classic horror.

    It's a shame when there's no adaption in the most authentic language. I was really happy with the French-language Three Musketeers (or I'd better say "trois mousquetaires" ;) ) starring Eva Green from a few years ago, as well as with the recent Spanish-language Zorro series.

    I heard they recently made a very good adaptation of The Count of Monte Cristo. So they should be able to do the same with the Phantom.

    The Count Of Monte Cristo is one of the best books I've ever read. It's hard to imagine any film containing the full story. However, since books and films are completely different media, I'm always willing to concede faithfulness to the book in favour of pace and narrative accessibility. There are, indeed, some interesting adaptations of this particular book to consider.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Citizen Kane is boring
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