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Whether it actually *feels* like a proper Bond film when we finally see it will be interesting.
I'm sure they'll get all the details right: M's office will look perfect and the score will be all trumpety and sassy and Bond's suits will be great etc. but will knowing it's not an Eon film make it feel hollow?
Good post, I was thinking something similar: if we have a bad film which underperforms for the first time: is that it? The end? Like Indiana Jones just died a death and the Mouse dropped him like a stone.
On the flip side, after buggering up the potential behemoth that is LOTR, at least we know they won't do the same thing to Bond.
They might screw it up in other new and fantastical ways, but that was always a danger with BB/MGW as well (attempts at Jinx movie anyone...) , so still a reason to keep your chin up!
Yes. And if Broccoli had said "I'm not making films with you, Amazon" that leads to a protracted lawsuit which could drag on and on or maybe Eon selling their stake to Disney or another studio or private or foreign investors. It was a no win scenario for Broccoli and Wilson.
If you want to blame anyone, blame MGM for its long, torrid history of bad mismanagement.
Its been a moribund studio for years so it was inevitable a huge corporation like Amazon would acquire it and that meant Broccoli had no more power. She could get her way with MGM and call the creative shots but not with Amazon. Amazon are worth more than any film studio. How can Eon retain creative control when Amazon own MGM? It's impossible. If anything this deal avoids Amazon suing Eon for unreasonable delay of Bond 26 so they've avoided that potentially disastrous scenario.
Unfortunately money rules this world and Amazon have gazillions of it so today's announcement was inevitable. I thought Eon might have continued on for a few more years so it's surprising they've called it a day right now but it was always going to happen.
Twenty five Eon produced films is an amazing achievement. Amazon taking over doesn't change the past. The Eon Bond films can still be tressured by fans. But life moves on. 😉
I literally just said this same thing using pretty much the same words and time frame to my friend who broke the news.
The joint venture is about who owns the actual rights to James Bond (and the previous films I assume), so it remains split between the two parties as always (although whether the Brocollis have potentially sold a controlling share I guess is possible), but Eon have passed the creative control they used to have i.e. they actually made the films and decided what was in them, to Amazon MGM.
Aargh! Stop! :))
That's my biggest thought with this news, will it just feel soulless with EON?
Beats me but ok could they have any control
It had to happen at some point.
;))
I'll just check....
Erm. No. It's 20th February 2025. I think this is real news. Eon have retired! No more Eon Bond films!
The Gentlemen TV series was excellent, so I’d be happy with Ritchie. We may even get Theo James as Bond for good measure. I must be the only member here on the forum that is feeling positive about this news. To me EON just about killed the franchise with the last film, so it desperately needed a change at the very top.
New people, new ideas, new approach…that ‘will’ attract the right passionate people to take this iconic great character forward…after all, Bond has been around for a long time, achieved much, created the complete spy genre on his own, through wonderfully talented creative people…this is an opportunity and one that doesn’t always come along in film that often with the kind of clout Amazon will bring to the party!
The right people Will be involved, Will make a difference and Amazon already a plan to roll out and WOW the Bond Crowd…there not silly, they know what this means to many, as it already does to Amazon…sit tight all and enjoy this new, exciting and very creative, sympathetic to the past driven ride…it’s going to be incredibly exciting!!!
All the best…!☺️🥰7.
They really didn't. It did very well as a film. Bond continues. I didn't even love it incidentally. Anyway, the only reason most, if not all of us are even posting on this forum are due to EoN/the films.
Ritchie would be a bit of a let down I think. He can be fun but a bit superficial sometimes. But it's a hypothetical, as is James. From what I understand he doesn't seem that interested in the role.
Anyway, we'll see. I don't think it's worth being optimistic (or indeed wholly negative) yet. We don't even know many of the details. I agree with what @Revelator said - it's about the new, (albeit temporary) executives that'll control the franchise. We'll see.
As the future will be filled with pointless 'What ifs' until some solid news comes out, may as well start now:
Would you rather creative control stay with EoN and get back a director such as Tamahori or Spottiswoode
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Amazon get the reigns, but a Denis Villeneuve or Chris Nolan level director got the job?
Would one be more hollow than the other? Would it necessarily be worse if it was?
It's not a completely random hypothetical (although completely contrived) - EoN's hold of control I think has led them at times to pick partners who either have less vision, or are more easily persuaded into the 'EoN way' - that is, their way or no way, but that brought some bad as well as some consistency we all know and love. But now that isn't going to be an issue, is it a good or a bad thing? When does consistency become stale (*cough* -AVTAK-*cough*) and get a stylistic face lift anyway? Is Amazon's change in direction going to be a bigger one than the move from Roger Moore to Timothy Dalton? I wasn't alive to see it as it unfolded, but AVTAK-TLD still seems one of the biggest changes in style and direction, and one I don't think Amazon will be competing with any time soon in regards to how seismic it will be. Was TLD ever considered hollow given its changes? Or did the producer credits paper over that?
A lot of rambling hypothetical questions there with no correct answers I suspect :D
And just to show I wasn't being completely unfair with the hypothetical above, I think Spottiswoode was unfairly criticised, and Villeneuve, while excellent, is over-rated :D
I hope the executive or director who takes on Bond next understands that it's a character/concept that can be interpreted in different ways, even if it's formulaic. I hope they understand how much can be done with even the source material alone for an original film. It's not just about copying and pasting lazily (whether that's the original Fleming novels or the tropes of the EON films) but actually re-imaging this character. I hope they respect and understand Bond as he is in his cinematic form.
If Amazon is smart, they keep to the basic formula: the PTS, title song, "Bond, James Bond," a martini shaken and not stirred, and on and on.
I bet they're just going to do the same thing with Bond: make a bunch of trash and then disparage the fans as online trolls or whatever. These corporate types do not care about backlash, they just do whatever they want, and professional critics seem to be in bed with them. Here's a list of original Amazon movies. It doesn't give me much hope.
https://ew.com/best-amazon-original-movies-8662609
Unfortunately I think that's correct. While I have many concerns about Amazon, Eon has seemingly expressed "exhaust" for a good decade. When you're working on these films for sixty years or forty years it might do that to some people.