Best and worst case scenario for the Amazon Bond

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    echo wrote: »
    Best-case scenario: we'll get some news.

    Worst-case scenario: we got some news.

    "It is better to travel hopefully than to arrive" - Robert Louis Stevenson.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    First of all, when will people finally learn the correct meaning of the word "franchise"? The Bond "franchise" includes everything they can sell, like books, games, comics, merchandise, and so forth.

    The film series, however, isn't necessarily dead either. Amazon will continue to make films, at least a few for starters. It may not feel the same, though. What was special about a next Bond picture may now be lost in the different work method of streaming services.

    Sorry @DarthDimi , braindead is just dead to me, even though the blood still may be flowing. When the soul is gone, there's nothing left worthwhile.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    First of all, when will people finally learn the correct meaning of the word "franchise"? The Bond "franchise" includes everything they can sell, like books, games, comics, merchandise, and so forth.

    The film series, however, isn't necessarily dead either. Amazon will continue to make films, at least a few for starters. It may not feel the same, though. What was special about a next Bond picture may now be lost in the different work method of streaming services.

    Sorry @DarthDimi , braindead is just dead to me, even though the blood still may be flowing. When the soul is gone, there's nothing left worthwhile.

    At times, I share that pessimistic take on things, @CommanderRoss. But I also try to remain optimistic whenever I can. As long as we haven't heard from Amazon, we don't really know what direction the Bonds will take.
  • Posts: 15,408
    Best case scenario:
    We get a new Bond film every three years, four top. Production of the next Bond movie starts soon and everything goes smoothly. Amazon keeps things grounded, but glamorous and exotic. They rely heavily on Ian Fleming and the source material, which they respect. There's some continuity between the films, but not too heavy. Blofeld is Bond’s nemesis, but is used sparingly and introduced gradually. Again, they heavily use the source material for inspiration. They try to avoid sci-fi elements and they go low key. They make first and foremost spy thrillers with strong atmosphere and characters. If there are tense action scenes, they don't neglect quiet moments either. In summary, the people st Amazon make Bond movies as well as they adapted other works of fiction such as, errrmmm, well, you know... errmm... they adapt Bond well.

    Worst case scenario:
    They rush things to make a bombastic, poorly conceived Bond movie, heavy on spectacle and high in loud, fiery action scenes. Bond tropes are used heavily, but superficially. Imagine an omelette of Easter eggs. They cast an American as Bond with a phony British accent. They try to make us believe that's how British people really speak. Speaking of casting, British actors are mostly used for villainous roles. Bond is like Austin Powers, but better looking and more violent. In the meantime, they stretch themselves thin with spin-offs, prequels and other derivative tv series and films. Continuity is all around the place between every single by-product and conflicting creative vision. People lose interest. Need I go on?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Need I go on?
    I'd say you nailed it perfectly for both scenarios, Ludovico. Bullseye.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    People are seeming to forget that Bond is now owned by Bezos, a Felon pal. Best case scenarios are mainly that Bond won't be female or black....
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    He's no pal of the Felon. He's just sucking up to get corporate welfare and other perks. One only needs to look at how LOTR was adapted for Amazon to see what they might do to a Bond world. But this is all worst case scenario stuff for me.

    Best case we get a regular Bond film adventure every couple of years. One wonders if they have a TMWTGG moment, do they shutter it up, or do they have the fortitude to do what Cubby did and continue on?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thedove wrote: »
    Best case we get a regular Bond film adventure every couple of years. One wonders if they have a TMWTGG moment, do they shutter it up, or do they have the fortitude to do what Cubby did and continue on?
    Oh I HOPE they have a TMWTGG moment! My favourite Moore film!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    One of my favourites too. I was referring more to the box office malaise that hit with that film. Would they continue to develop more films if one flops. EON did because it was there only horse. Amazon has many shiny toys and might be less likely to suffer a set back.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Best case we get a regular Bond film adventure every couple of years. One wonders if they have a TMWTGG moment, do they shutter it up, or do they have the fortitude to do what Cubby did and continue on?
    Oh I HOPE they have a TMWTGG moment! My favourite Moore film!

    Although Moore gives one of his best performances as Bond in TMWTGG it's probably bottom of the pack for me in terms of Moore's films. That's not Roger's fault though. The script was poor and he did the best he could with what he was given.
  • Posts: 819
    Will we get an announcement at the Oscars
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    No, the deal with Amazon and Eon doesn't close until May.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    echo wrote: »
    No, the deal with Amazon and Eon doesn't close until May.

    James Bond Will Return in When the Ink Dries.
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    Best case: They produce a new movie every 2 or 3 years.

    Worst case: The franchise is blown wide open with multiple spin offs and origin stories. Possibly meaning less movies.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    No, the deal with Amazon and Eon doesn't close until May.

    James Bond Will Return in When the Ink Dries.

    You win the internet today! LOL!
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    The obvious risk of making more films in a shorter time is quality control. If they then spread the ideas even thinner by making spin-offs during the gaps between films, the well could run dry quite quickly. Trouble is, it's all too easy to imagine Amazon doing exactly this.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    No, the deal with Amazon and Eon doesn't close until May.

    James Bond Will Return in When the Ink Dries.

    You win the internet today! LOL!

    Thanks, I do try. :D
  • Posts: 2,140
    Venutius wrote: »
    The obvious risk of making more films in a shorter time is quality control. If they then spread the ideas even thinner by making spin-offs during the gaps between films, the well could run dry quite quickly. Trouble is, it's all too easy to imagine Amazon doing exactly this.

    The problem with a good series, Succession for instance, they burn brightly for a while, then they start becoming dull, repetitive, and predictable. A lot of series I've liked went on too long. Amazon should stay clear of television Bond and get a film into production ASAP. Among the younger people I'm around, none are asking about the next Bond film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Among the younger people I'm around, none are asking about the next Bond film.
    Same here. The only young person I know (30) that has any interest in Bond at all hasn't even bothered to watch NTTD.
  • Posts: 16,371
    Best case scenario:

    The new producers, writers and directors have a strong passion and understanding of the character and the first film is not only a success, but on the level of Eon's best films.
    It's a tall order, but with a talented and dedicated crew, not impossible. Personally I'd love to see a new film every other year again as I miss that feeling of tradition. I'd love Amazon's Bond to be done with enough quality that Bond continues indefinitely.

    Worst case scenario:

    Amazon is out to make a fast buck with no genuine care towards, plot, direction, production quality or casting. The new film is James Bond in name only.........in fact, it's just called JAMES BOND, and he's been reinvented beyond recognition.
    James Bond is no longer an MI6 secret agent with a licence to kill.
    Bond (now played by Justin Beiber) is a Domino's delivery driver who lives at home with his mom (who he calls M), and in his spare time reviews episodes of Amazon streaming shows on YouTube.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
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    Best case - a good director with a feel for the material who is allowed to execute his vision

    Worst case - a by committee approach with too many cooks sticking their fingers in leads to a bland generic slab of product
  • Posts: 409
    One really easy way to pull it off would be the adapt the books in order.
    I don't think they will make a Bond every three years, that's impossible to pull off in the current context. It takes a year to write, a year to shoot and edit and finish and a year of promotion. If you want to do it the EON way that's 4/5 years delay between each film, and it won't happen under Amazon.
    They are going to make a series, but in film disguise, and taking the books plot, and also the short novels (which you can release on the platform as 40mn episodes in between films), and adapting them is the easiest way to pull it off.
    Once they are done with the Fleming books, they will change the actor and then adapt the Gardner books.
    Also, they might produce some one shot films with an older Bond in an alternate universe, Batman The Dark Knight book style with Brosnan, or a young Bond with Chalamet.
    Now, layed out that way, it might be an interesting new chapter in Bond film history.
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