Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Vader making his way through those rebels almost felt like they were portraying him like Jason Voorhees, as if audiences are expected to cheer over Vader killing those rebels. We see this sort of thing with Boba Fett where they portray him as this uber badass.

    That just always felt wrong for Star Wars. In the OT they’re imposing because they seem to show little to no exertion
    " Wilson’s son, Greg, who’s been working on the recent films but who, insiders say, wasn’t considered ready to step into his father’s shoes."

    Wow. Don't we Bond fans all agree that Greg would have been more ready now than Barbara Broccoli was when she co-procuded GoldenEye?

    Poor guy. MGW and BB pretty much robbed him of the opportunity they got.

    According to MI6-HQ there was valid concern that he was not the right guy to steer the ship. The fact that they rather end the family business than pass the wheel says so much.

    You nailed it. If Gregg were the heir apparent, the sale wouldn't have happened. The podcast alluded to something he did.
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    When I first ran into Barbara, when she was a production assistant, on the set of AVTAK, she was already a forceful presence. Greg may not have had this tenacity.
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    I think it'll be some time before we know all the details. Obviously it's a shame Gregg Wilson wasn't up to following on, but it shows just how fragile even great family businesses can be, especially by generation three. To be honest, in hindsight, I'm not sure how viable it is effectively 'training' someone to carry on making Bond movies in today's film industry. It's heavy going and a lot of pressure, and requires loads of experience, as well as a good deal of personal resilience and creativity.

    I think whoever carries on producing these films will need that - especially the experience and resilience. Hopefully they'll understand Bond as much as MGW and BB did.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Agreed. I'm concerned that Barbara and Michael made it such a closed shop that the person who understands Bond like they did...doesn't exist.
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    What BB & MW understood is how they wanted to make Bond films. I think there are plenty of people who understand Bond as well or better than they. They inherited a film series and kept it going, as I would expect of someone fortunate enough to be brought up in that situation. Commendable, competent, talented, but perhaps not the geniuses frequently ascribed to them.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I wouldn't say they were geniuses, and they certainly made mistakes, but they led with their hearts and not their pocketbooks. They were upholding a family legacy, and were in no danger of being fired.

    A studio executive or producer is going to have very different motivations. This person, by definition, can be fired.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    echo wrote: »
    I wouldn't say they were geniuses, and they certainly made mistakes, but they led with their hearts and not their pocketbooks. They were upholding a family legacy, and were in no danger of being fired.

    A studio executive or producer is going to have very different motivations. This person, by definition, can be fired.

    Yes, exactly.
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    Bring back Craig...turns out he jumped to a weather balloon and flew off - a la book YOLT - crashed into the sea. Was rescued. Kept in Quarrantine (hmm....title ?) until Q figured out how to undo that strange kill-you-if-I-meet you curse...ready to go meet up with Madeleine and Mathilde, sidetracked by a mission along the way, and meets up with them. Madeleine drives around the bend as at the end of NTTD, slowing down into a town, and there's JB. Get your handkerchiefs out for the ending.
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    I know there are a lot of favorite directors that get thrown around constantly but having rewatched "Django Unchained" recently and seeing what a crowd pleaser it is, it might be interesting to see 007 get that treatment.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If Bond 26 isn't greenlit and put into development soon, I think they'll wait for Chris to become available in 2028, when the Euros will take place in the UK. Its only 3 years and 4 months away.


    It's a shame because I really don't like his style of direction, where he shoots everything from a subjective perspective. I like the much more classic craft of filmmaking, where you try and give as much information through the blocking and composition of scenes. Nolan doesn't really do that, he likes to have an individual shot for each character, and gives information through exposition. Basically he sacrifices specificity of an image for a general sense of scope and emotion. Alfonso Cuaron is the exact opposite, he's always very meticulous about the intent behind each individual shot and movement. His films are a joy to appreciate, even if you aren't following the story.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Directors do more than pick the shots, I always see people speak about direction just in terms of which way the camera is pointing and they do so much more than that.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Directors do more than pick the shots, I always see people speak about direction just in terms of which way the camera is pointing and they do so much more than that.

    Exactly, and some actually do it all. Soderbherg, for example, does his own framing, lighting,…, storyboarding, writing,… And there are plenty of directors who are like that. Good ones, at that.
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    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Directors do more than pick the shots, I always see people speak about direction just in terms of which way the camera is pointing and they do so much more than that.

    Exactly, and some actually do it all. Soderbherg, for example, does his own framing, lighting,…, storyboarding, writing,… And there are plenty of directors who are like that. Good ones, at that.

    To be fair Soderbergh’s an unusual example. Most directors simply don’t have the expertise to be DoP on their own films, at least in the context of a multi hundred million dollar budget film. Even when Soderbergh does it it’s with films that are smaller scale by comparison. I suspect he has an excellent and large crew around him too, and I think that’s one of the reasons him and the likes of Paul Thomas Anderson have given for either not crediting a DoP at all, or using a fake name when they take that responsibility - the cinematography becomes much more collaborative amongst that team. Nolan’s shot his own first feature film, but that was basically a no budget film and very intimate, seemingly lit with lamps and daylight.

    But yes, the director is responsible for a lot creatively even if they don’t actually write or photograph the film themselves (as we’ve seen in the recent past the director of Bond brings along the DoP, often who they’ve worked with in the past. Same for writers etc).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I mean we've just been talking about the fencing scene from DAD and that Bond and Graves are weirdly angry and annoyed with each other for no apparent reason: that's not the actors just deciding to do it that way, that's the director wanting them to play the scene like that. It's a directorial choice.
    Directors decide on the texture of the thing, not just where the camera looks or the lighting, they make the tone of the piece, they tie it all together, they decide how the words on the page are played out.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I mean we've just been talking about the fencing scene from DAD and that Bond and Graves are weirdly angry and annoyed with each other for no apparent reason: that's not the actors just deciding to do it that way, that's the director wanting them to play the scene like that. It's a directorial choice.
    Directors decide on the texture of the thing, not just where the camera looks or the lighting, they make the tone of the piece, they tie it all together, they decide how the words on the page are played out.

    It’s a very odd scene and obviously we don’t fully know how it was directed. It could be an indication that the director wasn’t directing in this instance too. I do maintain directors can’t control a performance - many would say they prefer to direct the actor on set as little as possible with the most work done through rehearsal and prior talks about the scene. Perhaps Brosnan’s instinct was that Bond is angry due to being betrayed and is projecting it onto Graves (and to be honest I can see Brosnan going for that as an actor) and Tamahori just went with it. A better director would have gone through the scene prior, not said explicitly how the actors should say the lines (always a bad choice) but just kinda set the tone before the cameras rolled. Or perhaps it was just fundamentally directed weirdly and this is the result.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yes, but I'm saying I don't like Nolans style of sloppy shooting. For me, he is good at achieving tension and emotion through crosscutting and editting, rather than by what's happening inside each shot, whereas Alfonso likes to let as much play out as possible without cutting.
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    I do agree that sometimes Nolan’s films can feel a little bit off (he’s some very odd choices in terms of sound design and they seem to be a constant in different films/sound teams. Scenes like the truck chase from TDK feel a bit strange with cuts creating jarring jumps in space/direction. The way some of those later fight scenes in TDKR were shot are pretty poor in my opinion as well, and makes the otherwise good choreography come off stilted).

    If Cuarón were to direct, I wonder who he’d bring on to DoP. He’s worked with Emmanuel Lubezski mainly to the point they began their careers together (and much of their style is intermixed with each other). That said he worked with an alternative cinematographer for his Harry Potter film and shot the lower budget Roma himself.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I do agree that sometimes Nolan’s films can feel a little bit off (he’s some very odd choices in terms of sound design and they seem to be a constant in different films/sound teams. Scenes like the truck chase from TDK feel a bit strange with cuts creating jarring jumps in space/direction. The way some of those later fight scenes in TDKR were shot are pretty poor in my opinion as well, and makes the otherwise good choreography come off stilted).

    If Cuarón were to direct, I wonder who he’d bring on to DoP. He’s worked with Emmanuel Lubezski mainly to the point they began their careers together (and much of their style is intermixed with each other). That said he worked with an alternative cinematographer for his Harry Potter film and shot the lower budget Roma himself.

    Cuarón directing Bond would be a dream, but was there anything in the wind about that at some point? I can't recall if he was ever considered, even by most of us.
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    Univex wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do agree that sometimes Nolan’s films can feel a little bit off (he’s some very odd choices in terms of sound design and they seem to be a constant in different films/sound teams. Scenes like the truck chase from TDK feel a bit strange with cuts creating jarring jumps in space/direction. The way some of those later fight scenes in TDKR were shot are pretty poor in my opinion as well, and makes the otherwise good choreography come off stilted).

    If Cuarón were to direct, I wonder who he’d bring on to DoP. He’s worked with Emmanuel Lubezski mainly to the point they began their careers together (and much of their style is intermixed with each other). That said he worked with an alternative cinematographer for his Harry Potter film and shot the lower budget Roma himself.

    Cuarón directing Bond would be a dream, but was there anything in the wind about that at some point? I can't recall if he was ever considered, even by most of us.

    Sort of. He was considered back in '99 for TWINE. And I think his name has popped up but occasionally (I don't think he's made a film in a while though so he might not be the first many think of).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Univex wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do agree that sometimes Nolan’s films can feel a little bit off (he’s some very odd choices in terms of sound design and they seem to be a constant in different films/sound teams. Scenes like the truck chase from TDK feel a bit strange with cuts creating jarring jumps in space/direction. The way some of those later fight scenes in TDKR were shot are pretty poor in my opinion as well, and makes the otherwise good choreography come off stilted).

    If Cuarón were to direct, I wonder who he’d bring on to DoP. He’s worked with Emmanuel Lubezski mainly to the point they began their careers together (and much of their style is intermixed with each other). That said he worked with an alternative cinematographer for his Harry Potter film and shot the lower budget Roma himself.

    Cuarón directing Bond would be a dream, but was there anything in the wind about that at some point? I can't recall if he was ever considered, even by most of us.

    Cuaron was offered the TWINE job but turned it down because he would be forced to rely on the second unit at EONs disposal instead of shooting action scenes himself. The way they operated on such a tight schedule made it impossible for the director to oversee at every level. Plus he was young at the time and thought the experience would be overwhelming (before he did Potter). He also has a audible cameo in QoS as one of the enemy pilots.

    Interestingly were Cuaron to direct Bond 26 that would make he the oldest director in the series history, beating Campbell in Casino.

    EDIT: 10 years ago he was still enthusiastic about Bond.


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    I genuinely didn’t know his voice is there in QOS (I think I’d heard de Torro had such a cameo as well though). That’s quite cool.
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    Quantum editing is bonkers, but I have a feeling with what's coming, from people who all have opinions on 007 that basically can be reduced to "this guy is a good coat hanger with the tux and PPK, that's Bond!", we all with time, appreciate how the lowest Craig era Bond film will be more re-watchable than anything AMZN will put out.

    There's the thing we don't talk about. Bond films had longevity because they are all re-watchable, no matter how many warts they have. Streaming stuff is just stream. Once gone down the river, there will be no 450th watch, let alone 45th, 15th, or even second watch.
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    I haven't been impressed with Amazon streaming originals, but my guess is they'll go all out on Bond. They have a lot to prove with this jewel in their crown. More than likely we'll see a Bond film that feels closer to Mission Impossible than the last Craig outing.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    That's funny because it just occurred to me that Amazon rumoured interest in Cuaron is rather like when Tom Cruise hired Brian De Palma for MI.
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    Cuaron would not be a bad choice and I do believe his name has been considered recently. A far better choice than Nolan IMHO. Also I have not been fond of the Bond films made after Casino Royale, and almost never re-watch them, so I'm looking forward to what Amazon does.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Honestly the more free rein Nolan has gotten to make whatever he wants the less I have enjoyed the results, and his Bond homages rarely stack up favourably to the real thing.
  • Amazon don’t appear to have a clue where to go next otherwise we’d have heard something by now. I think nigh on 4 years justifies being impatient for news! And I fully sympathise as I can’t picture anyone but Craig still as Bond unless they do the old man Bond with Dalton or Brosnan which I’d be onboard with. Christian Bale would have been good but apart from the age factor he’s too associated with Batman and I believe he dissed the franchise a few years ago anyway.
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    Amazon don’t appear to have a clue where to go next otherwise we’d have heard something by now. I think nigh on 4 years justifies being impatient for news! And I fully sympathise as I can’t picture anyone but Craig still as Bond unless they do the old man Bond with Dalton or Brosnan which I’d be onboard with. Christian Bale would have been good but apart from the age factor he’s too associated with Batman and I believe he dissed the franchise a few years ago anyway.

    Amazon can't do anything until the deal has been completely finished and the contracts finalized. I, for one, am glad I don't have to picture Craig as Bond any more. Also I believe they need to find a relative unknown who will not bring a lot of pre conceived baggage to the role.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Cuaron would not be a bad choice and I do believe his name has been considered recently. A far better choice than Nolan IMHO. Also I have not been fond of the Bond films made after Casino Royale, and almost never re-watch them, so I'm looking forward to what Amazon does.

    Yes I’d be more interested in Cuarón than Nolan too.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If there is any truth to the Heyman rumour then Cuaron naturally has to shoot up the ranking of potential directors. He's the only guy who has a relationship with both the old and the new guard.
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