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Medrano XD.
I always loved the plot of QOS. If it's good enough for Chinatown, Once Upon a Time in the West and Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources, it's good enough for a Bond villain.
In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D
Marc “I don’t like James Bond, but I love Casino Royale” is arguably the one to blame.
shame that spectre didnt have the snowmobile chase
Yeah, it seems SP has countless missed opportunities. Whenever we look into it, we discover more.
We would've have finally had a proper femme-fatale in the Craig-era.
Yes, would have been very cool!
Good thing is, they never throw away these ideas, so its bound to turn up in a future Bond!
(Example, the OP Acrostar jet was meant for MR!)
Well, since it was through Greene that the scheme was to be made once Medrano took power, Bond with Camille pretty much destroyed Quantum's scheme there: Greene is dead, Medrano and his men are dead, the coup d'état did not happen. I do think it could have been developed more and better. The execution may have been lacking, but the plot itself was great.
I just think if you're going to make a plot about something, then in a Bond film you should explore that visually a bit. Goldfinger liked gold, so we get Fort Knox with bars stacked high. Water gets mentioned in QoS and apart from a brief glimpse at a reservoir it doesn't get explored at all: it may as well just be money. It's just an abstract commodity, not a theme. It's not interesting or dramatic.
Give me personal stakes and a bit of drama any day.
I agree it was not explored much visually, except as an absence (not unlike the other films I have mentioned, come to think of it.)
I also liked the stuff with Moneypenny being suspended but then really working undercover for M, although there's a very odd plot strand where 'Blofeld' is worried about some document or other which would prove his identity as Oberhauser- why would he care? It's a bit fudged as to whether he's supposed to be reputable or not, and to be honest I think the film version where he's just an underground super-criminal is better and cleaner. I liked his backstory with the foreign legion thing; that felt like a Fleming thing, but the aspect where he's suffering from some kind of wasting disease feels a bit unnecessary. And in this one the foster brother thing feels even more underheated, only really doing anything at all in the final confrontation on Westminster Bridge. It feels even more like, if they wanted to do it then they should have built the whole film around it, which this just isn't.
Q being kidnapped I'm not sure is really needed, even if the reveal of Spectre's name on his bathroom mirror is a nice one; meanwhile Madeline being taken from the crater base by 'Blofeld', straight to the old MI6 building is so much cleaner I wonder why they ever deleted it. Nice Goldfinger ref in the PTS with Bond peeling off his commando suit to reveal a nice suit and tie under, but probably better without; and Bond's gadget watch is activated by turning the bezel to 0-0-7: that's good old fun.
Oh also, nice gag in the car chase phone call where 'Penny asks Bond what he's doing and he replies "about 90". Why isn't that in the final film?
I really enjoyed the gag where Madeline is confused that Bond travels everywhere with a dinner suit but he's puzzled that she finds it strange as if it's a totally naturally thing to do.
Is the other P&W draft worth reading too?
How many different scripts are out there? I thought it was Logan's draft and then P&W's update?
The more I think about it, the more I reckon they should have played it up (yes, I am replying to a nine year-old post here! :D ). The plan in Spectre is to basically take over the intelligence service and shunt it out of the way, and it's easy to see what happened in Skyfall as part one of that plan: he attacks MI6 and its boss and discredits both with the list of blown agents. That puts MI6 under pressure leading to C creating his CNS.
I think they should have lead less with Blofeld behind absolutely everything -with photos of Greene and Le Chiffre and all that- and maybe foregrounded Silva a bit more; maybe drawn a more direct line between Silva and DenchM's suspicions of Sciarra. Have Bond find evidence of Sciarra meeting Silva or something, in much the same way we see him radicalising the bombers in Mexico. Silva's grievance with M was obviously real, but Spectre could have found him and fanned the flames.
I think if you wanted to retrofit Blofeld as being 'behind it all' then just limiting him to being behind Silva would have been easier to swallow, having links to Quantum is fine, but making out that it was all a masterplan doesn't really add up.
I do find Spectre sort of fascinating; there's so much in there I like and the ideas are all good, they just don't quite join up.
Interesting that it did pop up the very next time we see them in that car though.
I'd cut the line where she says she's leaving Bond at Hildebrand; it's just not needed. Jave her just decide to stay behind, that's fine.