Would you rather the female lead be Bond's equal OR a civilian who is not aware of the spy game?

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  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Dwayne wrote: »
    ... I do tend to get a bit misty eyed when I remember watching BOND on the ABC SUNDAY NIGHT movie when I was younger (so much younger than today) as it made me into a fan.
    Do you still remember what they censored for TV?

    Not really, although (as @thedove stated), it was clear that they were edited ("for time and content").

    Ultimately, it didn't matter, since I was too young to have seen these movies when they originally were shown in theaters. What was important for me, was that these movies looked and sounded so "cool." And you could always tell when a Bond movie had been on TV, as the next day, all of the guys at school were pretending to be him!
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    THUNDERBALL
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    TB, even though I love both. For me, OHMSS, CR, and SF are the only Bond films to top any given one of the ones in the incredible run of Connery’s first four.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Let's see,
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    VS

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    Thunderball

    Wins.

    allthough I love GE, TB, where Connery is at the top of his game, the story outlandish but still realistic, the gadgets impossible but believable, the locations as exotic as they get, the villain an enigma but cruelly dangerous, and the stuntwork very cool, is the better film. Just slightly better in every small detail. Lie the DBS over the DB9.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    THUNDERBALL
    OKAY

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    TB for me too.
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    Thunderball. Star Wars of the 60s.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    TB ranks #2 all time for me. So TB it is. :D
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    TB. And I'll be a contrarian and say because of the quieter moments: the spa, the SPECTRE meeting, etc. I find it atmospheric.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    GE is fun but I've seen it on the big screen several times. It also hits hard to see this film I watched as an 18-year-old becoming a classic from a bygone era :) So TB if you please.

    Bristol has a cinema in the aquarium. They could include a visit to the sharks with your ticket...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I love both, so I'd welcome both.

    However, I suppose TB captures that 60's spy extravaganza magic better than any other entry, so I'll go for that one.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Pictures are often worth 1,000 words. Well done @Venutius
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Lets think ahead with this next one instead of looking back.

    There are a few tropes that now exist in the Bond films. One is his vehicle.

    Bond has been tightly associated with the Aston Martin and specifically the Aston Martin DB-V. But it wasn't always this way. First seen in the movie GF and TB the DB-5 would return to welcome Pierce Brosnan to the role in GE and it returned in TND for a brief scene. It would then be featured heavily in Craig's films. Showing up in CR and SF, at the end of SP and at the beginning of NTTD. In fact Craig's Bond was seen more with the DB-5 than any other actor.

    Would you rather the DB-V return to welcome the new Bond OR we rest the DB-V for a while?

    The car is so iconic that it brings with it memories of Bond in the 60's. It is the definition of cool and recalls the history of the character. With that being said, does it now need to be rested. After all Moore and Dalton never had the DB-5 in their films at all. A span of 16 years. Moore was associated with the Lotus Esprit and Dalton had an Aston Martin but not the DB-V.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    The DB5 sends a different message now than in the 60s: now it's retro cool, where it used to be just plain cool. I'd very much like a new awesome, aspirational car to associate with the new Bond. But what do we have nowadays? We'd struggle to find a British one.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Since Skyfall production I've been vocal about being tired of seeing the Astons - an opinion that was very unpopular at the time (despite being seen in the last six films), and it was even hinted at because I didn't want it, I was somehow disrespecting the brand and unappreciative of its inclusions. Well, you AM fanboys got what you wished for, and now others are talking about how it's a worn out trope.

    In the first film, establish his car as a Bentley. Not necessarily a new model. The decision will draw acclaim from the Fleming purists as well as fans of variety. In the next film, give him a Q-bike. In the following film, no Bond car at all (see YOLT). Now that the series is in different hands there should be no obligation to shoehorn Astons in every successive film. And now that the series is in Amazon's hands a lot of fans feel disenchanted, so best go back to Fleming and bring in those brands like Bentley, Bond's Beretta, Floris and all that. All those other things fans of the novels want to see.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess it’s maybe a bit played out from NTTD now, but I’d be very happy to see him continue to use the AMV8 as his personal car, I think it suits him very much. It’s big and old and selfish and grey, it’s quite Fleming really.
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    I would love them to be bolder, something different, more youthful, create a new icon, a white Lotus would be a lovely nod to the Moore era, the Emira looks great IMHO. Still room to have some fun with audience expectations, seeing Bond exit a casino with car key in hand, walk up to and then past a silver DB5, or Bond just seeing one drive past and give it the smallest of looks/smiles.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Dwayne wrote: »
    ... I do tend to get a bit misty eyed when I remember watching BOND on the ABC SUNDAY NIGHT movie when I was younger (so much younger than today) as it made me into a fan.
    Do you still remember what they censored for TV?

    I used to tape record some of these on ABC and have some memories of these edits if you wanted me to share at some point in the future. I came late to the conversation and didn't want to interrupt the flow of the current discussion.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Tbh Aston's used to be cool, understated GT's. The kind of car that fits naturally with Bond and what's expected of him (long-range travel, fast).

    The problem is, AM don't make understated cars anymore. Neither does Lotus, or Jaguar. The Bentleey Continental comes closest, perhaps, to what might be fitting for Bond, but I'm not convinced. 2025-continental-gt-speed-is-the-most-powerful-street-legal-bentley-ever_14.jpg
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think Bentleys are a bit chintzy, I think Astons remain a bit more stylish.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think Bentleys are a bit chintzy, I think Astons remain a bit more stylish.

    Bentley "chintzy" ? Wow. You must live quite the high life. Well done !
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    In the books Bond deliberately drive decades-old Bentleys at home in England. It was his own personal car. Always in Battleship Grey. The only "gadget" was a hiding spot for a pistol. In GF the book he traveled to the continent with a then-current Aston Martin. Along the way in the books his old Bentleys were changed up to a more current Bentley. At the beginning of FRWL Bond drives an old Bentley, apparently his own car, with a phone. Bond doesn't get into his own car again until - possibly in GE, in the then-aged Aston - the Craig films. It is very nicely handled at each appearance. Wins one at cards. Keeps others in a garage in London. As fine cars - new or old - get more and more expensive, they become less affordable for Bond. However - though not discussed - Bond might engage in a practice supposedly used by some spies, of accumulating wealth secretly, but a fine car would tip his hand. It would be silly for Bond to drive some ultra-rare hypercar. Rather, he can get away with showing up in an expensive car of a price level that some posh business person could afford. At this point, though, if they want to nod to the past practices and produce an homage to earlier films, he could perhaps afford a now-classic angular creased Lotus Esprit of the 1980s, especially were it white. They still could put him in an MI6 Aston for the mission - especially since the marketing agreement with Aston may still be in effect. Of course, it might be written so as to preclude Bond from having an old Lotus. At any rate - it's time to move on, I think.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    The Bentleey Continental comes closest, perhaps, to what might be fitting for Bond, but I'm not convinced. 2025-continental-gt-speed-is-the-most-powerful-street-legal-bentley-ever_14.jpg

    That one looks pretty fun. Usually when I see a Bentley parked I think "old man's car".
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Since62 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Bentleys are a bit chintzy, I think Astons remain a bit more stylish.

    Bentley "chintzy" ? Wow. You must live quite the high life. Well done !

    Have you had a look inside them? They're not very tasteful; and even the headlamps are sort of made from cut glass- they look like wine decanters. They're not the classiest things around.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I think Bentleys are basically at the same time pretentious and tacky. Something for people who have a collection of Rolexes, too.
  • I have to say I always associated Bentley with the Rolex class of goods: expensive and useful tools rather than particularly pleasing. Most that image did come from Bond himself: he says that he didn't have time to take care of a car and he seems like someone to appreciate convenience rather than any sort of image based reason
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I have to say I always associated Bentley with the Rolex class of goods: expensive and useful tools rather than particularly pleasing. Most that image did come from Bond himself: he says that he didn't have time to take care of a car and he seems like someone to appreciate convenience rather than any sort of image based reason

    I've always understood him as not being interested in what others think, but appreciating things in a way to enjoy himself. The finer things in life as tomorrow may never come.
    Not saying that makes the Continental the car of choice, that's for everyone to decide for themselves. But I think it's only one of very few cars that get close to a logical choice for Bond.
    Personally I'd go for the early jaguar F-type. Even more than the recent Astons. Although I do like them as well, but I think they're a bit too much supercar, not enough gt.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'd say F Types are sportscars, which I'm not sure the Bentleys of the books were. Really his 4.5 litre was the supercar of its time: it was a supercharged race car. I think in Thunderball in '61 his second Bentley is described as a 'Mk 2', which never actually existed (Fleming often got these details wrong!) but you could say meant it was an R-Type-based Conti which was the second variation of the Conti; so if it were it would mean at that point the car was between nine and six years old as the R-Type version had been replaced by the time the novel was published. So if we were picking an equivalent for that now, I guess we'd be looking at a 2018-ish model of something, ideally a convertible as the Locomotive was. So I reckon a DB11 Volante maybe, or a Bentley Continental. I guess this 2018 Supersports model counts as being quite 'selfish' and, well, ugly, as Bond's car is described. Fleming's Bond didn't really do elegance when it came to cars. And it's even the right colour.
    Hopefully he'd have stripped out all of the tacky chrome from the interior.

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  • Bond also bought a 1930 car second hand in 1933, and was driving it in 1951. That akin to him driving an Arnage!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Very true, or maybe an Aston Vanquish, as in DAD. It’s a big, brutal, heavy V12, I think that’s a similar kind of car.
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