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  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    The sword fight isn't the worst thing about Die Another Day. It's a bit overly dramatic (Did Bond think maybe Graves had something to do with North Korea?) and ultimately changes a gambling scene where Bond is in control and observant to one where he's completely lost his nerve. It's also a bit ridiculous that Frost follows the bet to the letter instead of stopping the destruction of this ancient club.

    I think the bridge scene from MR is pretty adaptable into something like poker. Bond deals Drax a pair of aces and the flop seems quite favourable to him until the last cards. Callback to CR and also can poke fun at the ridiculous hands you see in films.

    "I can't believe that hand was real!" "Of course it wasn't. You watch too many bad films"
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 12 Posts: 17,508
    It's a shame Graves doesn't cheat in the fight, but I guess that might have made it way too Goldfingery, and there's not really time for it anyway. I guess it fits the theme of him being a parody of an English gentleman, honouring the bet to the letter and all that.
    Still, there is something quite fun about Bond suspecting Drax of being a bigger villain just because he cheated in a game, which I'd have enjoyed in a film. It's wonderfully petty for this international agent to work on that level, but not actually incorrect as villains do reveal themselves through these sorts of interactions, and it's that nice level of Fleming preposterousness which I like when it pops up in the films. Not just following the microfilm of this breed of poppy leading you to the next plot point, but something a bit more vibes based.
    Reflsin2bourbons wrote: »
    The sword fight isn't the worst thing about Die Another Day. It's a bit overly dramatic (Did Bond think maybe Graves had something to do with North Korea?)

    He knows he's got some sort of link to Zao from the diamond, but quite why he loses his rag so quickly I've no idea. It's very odd.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 12 Posts: 14,108
    Graves does kind of cheat, as he elbows Bond in the face. Graves is, I think, also the first one to grab a bigger sword.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Graves does kind of cheat, as he elbows Bond in the face. Graves is, I think, also the first one to grab a bigger sword.

    Nah, they agree to abandon fencing rules; and Bond is first to kick him.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 12 Posts: 6,605
    Benny wrote: »
    I think the lack of any real location work and an overuse on green screen is one of the biggest sins that DAD commits.
    As Cubby would say, put the money on the screen. Aside from Spain that doubled well for Cuba, most of DAD was shot in England and Wales. It shows, and I think audiences know when they’re being cheated.
    I hope Amazon don’t take that path, and shoot in real locations around the world.

    Such a good point. QoS has its flaws but you definitely feel like you’re on location with Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    DAD is, I think, the only Bond film where the main cast appear in none of the foreign locations the film is set in.
  • kristopherm3kristopherm3
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Is It Feasible for Amazon/MGM to Announce a Bond Release Date at CinemaCon on April 1st?

    With the Amazon/MGM set to present at CinemaCon on April 1, 2025, there’s been a lot of speculation about what they might unveil. Given the current status of the deal, could we realistically see Amazon announce a Bond release date at that time?

    Here's the context:
    1. The Joint Venture Status: We’re all waiting to see how quickly the JV can be finalized. Legal and contractual matters might take time, but if Amazon and MGM have already been preparing behind the scenes, they could expedite the process.
    2. Preliminary Development: For Amazon to announce a release date that soon, it would mean that preliminary development (possibly including a script, treatment, or even early casting) has already been in the works. Without that, an announcement would be premature.
    3. Marketing Strategy: Announcing a date early could be a major power move from Amazon, signaling confidence and showing that they’re ready to take control of the Bond franchise. Studios often announce dates years in advance to assert their stake in a major project, and it could help them attract talent and build momentum.
    4. Targeted Release Window: If an announcement were made, the most likely release window would be 2027 (possibly Fall/Winter).

    While it’s not impossible, an announcement in April 2025 would be highly aggressive and suggest that Amazon has already made significant behind-the-scenes progress, possibly with a script, director, and casting already in place. More likely, Amazon will tease "Bond Returns in 2027" but hold off on a firm date until later in the year or early 2026. If they do announce a date, it will likely be tentative and dependent on behind-the-scenes progress.

    Do you think it’s feasible for Amazon to announce a concrete Bond release date at CinemaCon this April, or is that just too soon given where the JV stands?

    MI6 says regulatory approval isn't expected to happen until May. If so, April seems too soon for any announcements.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,432
    Just gonna have to wait it out.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 16 Posts: 736
    Benny wrote: »
    I think the lack of any real location work and an overuse on green screen is one of the biggest sins that DAD commits.
    As Cubby would say, put the money on the screen. Aside from Spain that doubled well for Cuba, most of DAD was shot in England and Wales. It shows, and I think audiences know when they’re being cheated.
    I hope Amazon don’t take that path, and shoot in real locations around the world.

    To be fair, I'm not sure what else they could've shot on location, Spain doubled For Cuba, Pinewood grounds for North Korea, They shot in Iceland, besides shooting a little in Hong Kong there's not much else they could've done.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,769
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Just gonna have to wait it out.

    Not getting Bond until 2028 would be brutal though. Especially since they will probably wait until summer at the earliest for such a big release.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,536
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Just gonna have to wait it out.

    Not getting Bond until 2028 would be brutal though. Especially since they will probably wait until summer at the earliest for such a big release.

    Oh no! Whatever will you do with yourself?!! First the incompetence at EoN, and now Amazon can't get a new Bond film out tomorrow?!!

    Worst. Time. In history...Ever....
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,508
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I think the lack of any real location work and an overuse on green screen is one of the biggest sins that DAD commits.
    As Cubby would say, put the money on the screen. Aside from Spain that doubled well for Cuba, most of DAD was shot in England and Wales. It shows, and I think audiences know when they’re being cheated.
    I hope Amazon don’t take that path, and shoot in real locations around the world.

    To be fair, I'm not sure what else they could've shot on location, Spain doubled For Cuba, Pinewood grounds for North Korea, They shot in Iceland, besides shooting a little in Hong Kong there's not much else they could've done.

    The cast didn't go to Hong Kong or Iceland. No shooting in S Korea either. All a bit lacking.
    I'd say NTTD managed a more evocative Havana and they did that pretty much exclusively on the backlot.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,432
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Just gonna have to wait it out.

    Not getting Bond until 2028 would be brutal though. Especially since they will probably wait until summer at the earliest for such a big release.

    “Brutal”?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 736
    mtm wrote: »
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I think the lack of any real location work and an overuse on green screen is one of the biggest sins that DAD commits.
    As Cubby would say, put the money on the screen. Aside from Spain that doubled well for Cuba, most of DAD was shot in England and Wales. It shows, and I think audiences know when they’re being cheated.
    I hope Amazon don’t take that path, and shoot in real locations around the world.

    To be fair, I'm not sure what else they could've shot on location, Spain doubled For Cuba, Pinewood grounds for North Korea, They shot in Iceland, besides shooting a little in Hong Kong there's not much else they could've done.

    The cast didn't go to Hong Kong or Iceland. No shooting in S Korea either. All a bit lacking.
    I'd say NTTD managed a more evocative Havana and they did that pretty much exclusively on the backlot.

    That's what I'm saying. they could've gone to Hong Kong. But what would they have needed to film in South Korea? It barely features in the film outside of a control room.

    And Havana doesn't feature in NTTD, that's Santiago. I think shooting on location in Spain is better.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 16 Posts: 17,508
    Okay sure. I thought Jamaica made a better Cuba but whatever you prefer.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Very little of the Cuba sequence was filmed in Jamaica. All of the street and party scenes were filmed at Pinewood.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 17 Posts: 17,508
    Yes I said that above, regardless the arrival and departure stuff was filmed in Jamaica and set the scene more effectively for my money. The set was amazing and very effective. For me Spain looked a bit half hearted.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 18 Posts: 736
    You can't complain that Die Another Day had too much studio work, then say the NTTD cuba set was better than the actual location filming in Spain. That logic doesn't add up.

    By that logic, a quick establishing shot in South Korea, and Hong Kong and both of those scenes would have worked wonders for you. Unless you're just trying to troll members here for some reason otherwise this would make sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,508
    Okay thanks.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited March 19 Posts: 4,432
    What do we think of Luca Guadagnino making Bond 26? I love his films. I would rather selfishly love to see what he would bring to 007. He also has a relationship with Amazon MGM and has made three movies there, so he's someone they clearly trust and love. His adverts for Aston Martin and Cartier were almost mini-auditions for the 007 gig:




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  • 007HallY007HallY
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    That’d be an eccentric Bond film potentially, and probably very stylish. Maybe not in a bad way…

    I don’t know if he’s the kind of director who would understand the character, but I could be wrong. I’m mixed on him as a filmmaker (a really good artist no doubt, but I don’t always get along with his films).
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited March 19 Posts: 132
    I don't understand why a director who makes gay romance movies should make an action movie, regardless of how good they may be.

    What next, are we suggesting Jack Black to play the villain and Kim Kardashian as Moneypenny?
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,563
    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    I don't understand why a director who makes gay romance movies should make an action movie, regardless of how good they may be.

    What next, are we suggesting Jack Black to play the villain and Kim Kardashian as Moneypenny?

    ... he's directing Sgt. Rock for the DC Universe.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,432
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    I don't understand why a director who makes gay romance movies should make an action movie, regardless of how good they may be.

    What next, are we suggesting Jack Black to play the villain and Kim Kardashian as Moneypenny?

    ... he's directing Sgt. Rock for the DC Universe.

    He's also directed two fantastic horror films - Suspiria and Bones and All - so he isn't afraid of genre material.

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    I don't understand why a director who makes gay romance movies should make an action movie, regardless of how good they may be.

    What next, are we suggesting Jack Black to play the villain and Kim Kardashian as Moneypenny?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Luca G has made, what nine or ten features? Two are about gay romances. And as Pierce2Daniel notes he’s directed two horror films.

    @Red_Snow points out he’s going to direct a DC film in the coming months…

    He’s a versatile talent.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,554
    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    I don't understand why a director who makes gay romance movies should make an action movie, regardless of how good they may be.

    What next, are we suggesting Jack Black to play the villain and Kim Kardashian as Moneypenny?

    Why did the director of sex comedies make two of the better received Bond films? Because talent matters.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,108
    Personally, I would rather someone who knows the territory. Someone who would make a Bond film, rather than an *insert directors name* Bond film.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,605
    There have been a number of important gay contributors to the Bond canon. Peter Hunt of course, but also Paul Dehn and Simon Raven.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 19 Posts: 736
    Christopher McQuarrie for Bond 26, Edgar Wright for Bond 27, Mel Gibson for Bond 28. Kosinski for Bond 29. Who says no? I would suggest Peter Weir but he's getting on a bit.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited March 19 Posts: 132
    echo wrote: »
    There have been a number of important gay contributors to the Bond canon. Peter Hunt of course, but also Paul Dehn and Simon Raven.

    I don't care about their sexuality, I care if they can shoot action sequences. Saying that Guadagnino can make a good Bond movie because he shares his sexuality with another gay director is such a ridiculous stretch.

    Should Gal Gadot be the next Bond because she's got black hair?
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