EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • Posts: 631
    I don't believe you guys. There's been corporate diversity quotas the last few years. Given the idiotic statements and actions of Ms. Salke, it's perfectly natural to question how she got her job. That's a bridge too far for some though.

    Salke was a career television executive that later was in charge of Prime Video but Amazon shifted toward film production, specifically theatrical distribution, and she was not the right fit for that. The implication she got a job because of estrogen levels or "wokeness" or whatever is pretty immature and toxic to say.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 30 Posts: 6,622
    In the new Apple TV show, The Studio, the Catherine O'Hara character is based on Amy Pascal.

    https://www.thewrap.com/the-studio-tv-show-true-story-real-people-inspirations/

    It's pretty funny, with some great cameos.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    In the new Apple TV show, The Studio, the Catherine O'Hara character is based on Amy Pascal.

    https://www.thewrap.com/the-studio-tv-show-true-story-real-people-inspirations/

    It's pretty funny, with some great cameos.

    That sounds fun, will give that a go, thanks.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited March 30 Posts: 314
    BMB007 wrote: »
    I don't believe you guys. There's been corporate diversity quotas the last few years. Given the idiotic statements and actions of Ms. Salke, it's perfectly natural to question how she got her job. That's a bridge too far for some though.

    Salke was a career television executive that later was in charge of Prime Video but Amazon shifted toward film production, specifically theatrical distribution, and she was not the right fit for that. The implication she got a job because of estrogen levels or "wokeness" or whatever is pretty immature and toxic to say.

    Salke certainly got the dei update uploaded to her brain, like so many others around Hollywood. Even Barbara to an extent, if you look at NTTD. However, like so many things in life, the dynamics come in waves. The whole dei nonsense never worked because it was forced, which never works, as there is no natural progression to it, by design. People in general don't like to be dictated, let alone not agreeing with whatever they're being dictated.

    The hypocrisy is real, as they're (execs et al) all abandoning ship like rats. They effed around and found out, the ideology is bad for business, people don't want it. Hence the expression go woke go broke. It sounds daft, but it's true. Orange man is an opportunist, whether he gave the last push, he did push the big corps to abandon dei. Everyone with a set of eyes and a working brain saw the whole ideology was already on its return years ago and was bad for business. No conjecture, just facts.

    Again, Salke wanted to create a watered down Bond as he was yet another toxic white male and merely 'content', which obviously didn't fit the dei portfolio and vision of Prime. So, Bezos et al did a 180, people needed to get fired, back to (more or less) the status that actually worked. In the end common sense always prevails and from there natural progression does its thing automatically, like an evolution. There is beauty to that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    You guys need to stop following dorks like Critical Drinker and Ben Shapiro for your own heath.

    “Go woke, go broke” is one of those silly myths that fall apart when you point out all the movies that were accused of being woke but turned out to be box office hits (which are conveniently never brought up again). “Don’t look at BARBIE’s success, just focus on how woke SNOW WHITE is and how it’s bombing!” Granted SNOW WHITE looks abysmal but that’s just from looking at those dwarves alone. I could never get past that.

    I remember when AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER was primed by the fandom menace to be a bomb because of how supposedly woke it was, but as soon as it became apparent at the box office, the narrative changed to it being “anti-woke”… okay.

    It’s pretty clear from news reports that the reason companies are rolling back on DEI initiatives is because they don’t want retaliation from the wannabe dictator that’s been threatening to hurt them. It’s culture war posturing to distract you from the fact that your life could be better if you actually wake up to the fact that these politicians on both left and right were bought and paid for, only serving the rich and not the people.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited March 30 Posts: 314
    You guys need to stop following dorks like Critical Drinker and Ben Shapiro for your own heath.

    “Go woke, go broke” is one of those silly myths that fall apart when you point out all the movies that were accused of being woke but turned out to be box office hits (which are conveniently never brought up again). “Don’t look at BARBIE’s success, just focus on how woke SNOW WHITE is and how it’s bombing!” Granted SNOW WHITE looks abysmal but that’s just from looking at those dwarves alone. I could never get past that.

    I remember when AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER was primed by the fandom menace to be a bomb because of how supposedly woke it was, but as soon as it became apparent at the box office, the narrative changed to it being “anti-woke”… okay.

    It’s pretty clear from news reports that the reason companies are rolling back on DEI initiatives is because they don’t want retaliation from the wannabe dictator that’s been threatening to hurt them. It’s culture war posturing to distract you from the fact that your life could be better if you actually wake up to the fact that these politicians on both left and right were bought and paid for, only serving the rich and not the people.

    Wow, what a hot mess. You're mixing and matching all sorts of links and in the end you make no sense. Impressive. Also, stop drawing lame conclusions, doesn't help your cause.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 30 Posts: 17,604
    You guys need to stop following dorks like Critical Drinker and Ben Shapiro for your own heath.

    “Go woke, go broke” is one of those silly myths that fall apart when you point out all the movies that were accused of being woke but turned out to be box office hits (which are conveniently never brought up again). “Don’t look at BARBIE’s success, just focus on how woke SNOW WHITE is and how it’s bombing!” Granted SNOW WHITE looks abysmal but that’s just from looking at those dwarves alone. I could never get past that.

    I remember when AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER was primed by the fandom menace to be a bomb because of how supposedly woke it was, but as soon as it became apparent at the box office, the narrative changed to it being “anti-woke”… okay.

    It’s pretty clear from news reports that the reason companies are rolling back on DEI initiatives is because they don’t want retaliation from the wannabe dictator that’s been threatening to hurt them. It’s culture war posturing to distract you from the fact that your life could be better if you actually wake up to the fact that these politicians on both left and right were bought and paid for, only serving the rich and not the people.

    Yes, well-said. Imagine the YouTube algorithms at play here, yikes.
    I haven't followed the Snow White thing at all, why would I be interested in a film for little girls after all, but the idea that it's bombing because it's too 'woke', whatever that word means, and society doesn't want a film about a female character like that kind of misses the fact it's a remake of a much-loved classic which was always about Snow White and everyone in the past 80 years has coped with it just fine! :D For some reason we have a more precious, delicate generation of men who can't deal with that same thing now, it's a worry. As you say, it's more likely it's not doing well because everyone's saying it's just plain not very good; the success of something like Wicked shows how well something like that done well can do. And yes, Barbie's mega success (with a rather familiar producer behind it!) also highlights just how much rubbish all this stuff is. Folks shouldn't mistake some ranting basement dwellers on YouTube for portraying what the majority of people like, most people can cope with seeing people slightly different to themselves on a screen.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I wonder if any important people from the Bond family will move across to Amazon? People like Chris Corbould for example? I hope so
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well they'll be making it in the UK I'm sure, so I reckon it's kind of inevitable that a lot of the same folk will be there just because it's a freelance world and they happily go where the jobs are. Corbould I think is a bit more of a question mark as our very own @LucknFate spoke to him and he expressed a desire to move more into directing, I guess we'll have to see.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited March 30 Posts: 314
    mtm wrote: »
    You guys need to stop following dorks like Critical Drinker and Ben Shapiro for your own heath.

    “Go woke, go broke” is one of those silly myths that fall apart when you point out all the movies that were accused of being woke but turned out to be box office hits (which are conveniently never brought up again). “Don’t look at BARBIE’s success, just focus on how woke SNOW WHITE is and how it’s bombing!” Granted SNOW WHITE looks abysmal but that’s just from looking at those dwarves alone. I could never get past that.

    I remember when AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER was primed by the fandom menace to be a bomb because of how supposedly woke it was, but as soon as it became apparent at the box office, the narrative changed to it being “anti-woke”… okay.

    It’s pretty clear from news reports that the reason companies are rolling back on DEI initiatives is because they don’t want retaliation from the wannabe dictator that’s been threatening to hurt them. It’s culture war posturing to distract you from the fact that your life could be better if you actually wake up to the fact that these politicians on both left and right were bought and paid for, only serving the rich and not the people.

    Yes, well-said. Imagine the YouTube algorithms at play here, yikes.
    I haven't followed the Snow White thing at all, why would I be interested in a film for little girls after all, but the idea that it's bombing because it's too 'woke', whatever that word means, and society doesn't want a film about a female character like that kind of misses the fact it's a remake of a much-loved classic which was always about Snow White and everyone in the past 80 years has coped with it just fine! :D As you say, it's more likely it's not doing well because everyone's saying it's just plain not very good; the success of something like Wicked shows how well something like that done well can do. And yes, Barbie's mega success (with a rather familiar producer behind it!) also highlights just how much rubbish all this stuff is. Folks shouldn't mistake some ranting basement dwellers on YouTube for portraying what the majority of people like, most folks can cope with seeing people slightly different to themselves on a screen.

    LOL, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps go and actually read why SW bombed, become informed and then post your findings. The arrogance you exude is off this planet. Perhaps you should refrain from sniffing all that mold in your mom's basement. See, I address you directly, rather than your passive aggressive old ways. Same goes for @MakeshiftPython
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 30 Posts: 17,604
    I'm sure there's all sorts of crackpot theories that it's failing because it's got a woman in it or whatever, but as with most failures it comes down to poor reviews, bad word of mouth, audiences not being grabbed by the concept or marketing and/or poor timing or a combination of all the above.
    As I said, the huge success of similarly-themed films shows that it's not the idea of putting a woman front and centre which is the problem; easily disprovable. Counter arguments of 'LOL' and insults just aren't massively convincing. Anyway, I've no interest in a tedious argument and no one else here is either, so will leave it there.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    Posts: 314
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm sure there's all sorts of crackpot theories that it's failing because it's got a woman in it or whatever, but as with most failures it comes down to poor reviews, bad word of mouth, audiences not being grabbed by the concept or marketing and/or poor timing or a combination of all the above.
    As I said, the huge success of similarly-themed films shows that it's not the idea of putting a woman front and centre which is the problem; easily disprovable. Counter arguments of 'LOL' and insults just aren't massively convincing. Anyway, I've no interest in a tedious argument and no one else here is either, so will leave it there.

    My guy, you are assuming way too much. Why would you do that? You could actually inform yourself on the matter of SW and write a solid weighed reply. Anyway, you do you, but perhaps try something else instead.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The argument isn't that the film has a woman in it (and you know that), it's that you shouldn't remake such a classic if you can't do justice to the story. Disney, the soulless mega-corporation, took a timeless story generations have loved and pumped it with third wave feminist "I am woman hear me roar" politics which simply doesn't have any place, or reflect the messages of the original. If the gender politics of the original is considered too controversial for the modern age (although I'm not sure why that would be the case in a liberal society which preaches the market place of ideas, tolerating other perspectives and a supposed resistence to marching in ideological lockstep), then it should just be left to stand on its own.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited March 30 Posts: 1,774
    mtm wrote: »
    Well they'll be making it in the UK I'm sure, so I reckon it's kind of inevitable that a lot of the same folk will be there just because it's a freelance world and they happily go where the jobs are. Corbould I think is a bit more of a question mark as our very own @LucknFate spoke to him and he expressed a desire to move more into directing, I guess we'll have to see.

    Given we haven't heard much about Corbould's project, sadly, it makes me wonder if he'd come out of what was officially his Eon retirement for Amazon if they'd ask. Keep in mind his entire family does SFX, including his brother... if I was Amazon and the first Corbould said no, I'd go straight to his brother.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don't honestly believe that the sex bot would have made it into the finished film. The 'magic carpet' was cut out of TLD, as it didn't fit Dalton's style. There's no way that the android would have made it to the screen.

    Yeah agreed, it's hard to judge those B17 drafts as films because they were just drafts. If B17 had developed from one of them it wouldn't have stayed much the same.

    Same with Dr No originally being a monkey! I have no idea what mind altering foliage was being smoked when that idea was dreamed up, i'm just glad it didn't happen.

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    "Dr No's gonna be a monkey.. *coughs*... damn this shit's good."
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I don't really get why SW is mentioned here, as it is a very peculiar case in which a lot of things come together: from actually making the queen far mroe beautiful than SW herself, proclaiming that's inner beauty and making here come over as arrogant and selfish, to the SW actress taking digs at her co-star Gal Gadot over Israel, to beeing so afraid of negative pulbicity around the dwarves they were practiclly murdered on film. It ended up beeing an increadable mess and publicity nightmare.
    And obviously, both sides in the culture war in the USA found reasons to burn it as well.

    All in all, I see little connections to Bond. I'm happy they're moving foreward, but to me it feels like my favorite football club has been bought by the competition. Amazon, as a retail giant and at it's head a killer salesman, isn't really the creative haven I'd like Bond to reside in. Integrity is for sale at Amazon, and at discount fares. I.e. will they have the 'guts' to make a film critical of the current USA administration? Highly unlikely. So, will Russia be the enemy? Again, highly unlikely. Trump loves Putin and Bezos loves Trump (or anyone else he can cozy up to in the WH). Bond will become irrelevant in the existing world.
    Bond is a fighter for humanism on the edge, where good and bad are not always clear, but Bond is a sort of judge, jury and executioner where other ways fail. It has been portrayed in a lighter way in the Moore era, and far darker during Connery and Craig, but the films have always had a political baseline. Not in left or right, but in democratic principles and the rule of law. The fact that Bond is the one operating outside that rule of law, makes it so compelling.
    But in an era where those principles are under attack, the last party you want Bond to own is a party without a backbone, but only the persuit of profit in it's dna.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Snow White and the Seven Dwarves sounds like a stupid idea for a live-action film.

    I suppose the relevance of Snow White to Bond is the fear that Amazon might strip-mine the Bond IP like Disney has been doing. Did the world need a live-action Lion King or Little Mermaid? Weren't the animated versions good enough?

    There are so few original scripts produced anymore. I think @peter can speak to how challenging it is to get a truly original script made in this climate.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 30 Posts: 8,779
    echo wrote: »
    Snow White and the Seven Dwarves sounds like a stupid idea for a live-action film.

    I suppose the relevance of Snow White to Bond is the fear that Amazon might strip-mine the Bond IP like Disney has been doing. Did the world need a live-action Lion King or Little Mermaid? Weren't the animated versions good enough?

    Just saying this, you have taken the so called "anti-woke" position, that actually these remakes do nothing more than hollow out the classics. True classics should be saved from corporate meddling, but not everyone agrees. There's are those that say Disney, as a mega-corporation, should dictate the course of art.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Snow White isn't bombing because of wokeness. It is bombing because their lead actress decided it would be a good idea to bad mouth the original film, which is a classic. She then went on to say on the picket line that if she's going to wear a Disney princess dress for 18 hours a day that she deserves to be paid for every stream. Adding on that she further decided to piss off the majority of Americans who voted for President Trump by telling them to unfollow her if they didn't like what she had to say. On the election results she wished for all the people who voted for him to never know peace.

    It is funny that when you insult your audience, they tend to not want to come and watch your film. The fact is the movie bombing has nothing to do with woke, it has to do with an actress deciding she could shit over the source material.

    It would be like the new Bond actor saying negative things about DN, FRWL et al and saying how their Bond would be different and better.

    If Disney was smart they might just re-release their original films into theatres again. Many have not seen their classics on a big screen. Might hit better with families than just remaking them and cheaper too.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited March 30 Posts: 9,545
    echo wrote: »
    Snow White and the Seven Dwarves sounds like a stupid idea for a live-action film.

    I suppose the relevance of Snow White to Bond is the fear that Amazon might strip-mine the Bond IP like Disney has been doing. Did the world need a live-action Lion King or Little Mermaid? Weren't the animated versions good enough?

    There are so few original scripts produced anymore. I think @peter can speak to how challenging it is to get a truly original script made in this climate.

    You’re right, @echo

    ….There was a time and for many decades where concept was king.

    Now it is all about IP (the easiest word to say in the studio world is “no”. The theory behind IP is that there’s already a built in audience, and therefore a better chance at success).

    Even the project I’m working on now with my director (Mic Rodgers (and @defloria knows this fine gentleman who has done absolutely everything in the film industry from an Academy Award, to stunts to stunt coordination to second unit to award winning commercial director and feature film director)), is based on an IP (knowing the climate I purchased the rights to BA Paris’s The Therapist). We are going the indie route with this and it’s taken two and half years of my life to drag it to the finish line (shooting this autumn— finally, after stops and starts…).

    All IP, all the time. BUT…. If you’re ready to scrape pennies together from a million sources, original material can make breakthroughs in the indie world a little easier than the studio world (especially in the horror-psychological thriller- thriller genres where the budgets can remain conservative and the returns are healthy (think Longlegs and the like))…
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,622
    echo wrote: »
    Snow White and the Seven Dwarves sounds like a stupid idea for a live-action film.

    I suppose the relevance of Snow White to Bond is the fear that Amazon might strip-mine the Bond IP like Disney has been doing. Did the world need a live-action Lion King or Little Mermaid? Weren't the animated versions good enough?

    Just saying this, you have taken the so called "anti-woke" position, that actually these remakes do nothing more than hollow out the classics. True classics should be saved from corporate meddling, but not everyone agrees. There's are those that say Disney, as a mega-corporation, should dictate the course of art.

    Try again.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,779
    thedove wrote: »
    Snow White isn't bombing because of wokeness. It is bombing because their lead actress decided it would be a good idea to bad mouth the original film, which is a classic.

    It is funny that when you insult your audience, they tend to not want to come and watch your film. The fact is the movie bombing has nothing to do with woke, it has to do with an actress deciding she could shit over the source material.


    Bingo. It's not the punters with the agenda.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 30 Posts: 769
    Amazing how members are now carrying water for this snow white remake. Look at any article on deadline explaining why it failed. These are not crackpot theories.

    https://deadline.com/2025/03/snow-white-box-office-blue-red-states-1236347329/
    Talentless people have been hired in Hollywood for ages. That’s not gonna magically change just because corporations are scared of the wannabe dictator.




    When you put race and gender above all, you're by definition not looking at merit.

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    Again, please explain how it really works. Anyone?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 30 Posts: 5,993
    ...or it's just bombing because it's simply bad.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited March 30 Posts: 1,774
    I'm going with all of the above for my answer. Contrived, controversial, seen it before and better, also, this was the first "nice" weekend outside in the NorthEast US, at least Saturday.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 30 Posts: 769
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ...or it's just bombing because it's simply bad.

    The mistake you are making is assuming there is not a correlation there. I think I trust deadline over your hearsay.
    thedove wrote: »
    Snow White isn't bombing because of wokeness. It is bombing because their lead actress decided it would be a good idea to bad mouth the original film, which is a classic. She then went on to say on the picket line that if she's going to wear a Disney princess dress for 18 hours a day that she deserves to be paid for every stream. Adding on that she further decided to piss off the majority of Americans who voted for President Trump by telling them to unfollow her if they didn't like what she had to say. On the election results she wished for all the people who voted for him to never know peace.

    It is funny that when you insult your audience, they tend to not want to come and watch your film. The fact is the movie bombing has nothing to do with woke, it has to do with an actress deciding she could shit over the source material.

    It would be like the new Bond actor saying negative things about DN, FRWL et al and saying how their Bond would be different and better.

    If Disney was smart they might just re-release their original films into theatres again. Many have not seen their classics on a big screen. Might hit better with families than just remaking them and cheaper too.

    If you've actually seen her quotes, one could describe them as the Woke word.
  • edited March 30 Posts: 631
    thedove wrote: »
    Snow White isn't bombing because of wokeness. It is bombing because their lead actress decided it would be a good idea to bad mouth the original film, which is a classic. She then went on to say on the picket line that if she's going to wear a Disney princess dress for 18 hours a day that she deserves to be paid for every stream. Adding on that she further decided to piss off the majority of Americans who voted for President Trump by telling them to unfollow her if they didn't like what she had to say. On the election results she wished for all the people who voted for him to never know peace.

    It is funny that when you insult your audience, they tend to not want to come and watch your film. The fact is the movie bombing has nothing to do with woke, it has to do with an actress deciding she could shit over the source material.

    It would be like the new Bond actor saying negative things about DN, FRWL et al and saying how their Bond would be different and better.

    If Disney was smart they might just re-release their original films into theatres again. Many have not seen their classics on a big screen. Might hit better with families than just remaking them and cheaper too.

    It bombed because it is bad, and the interest in these Disney live action remakes is wanning just like the interest in all theatrical films is wanning.

    There are a lot of wrong things in your post but your central point is the most. Disney sat on this for two to three years because they knew it was a stinker. They are trying to spin it on Zegler because the truth points back to them.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Snow White is really getting it rough, though. But sometimes, I wonder why some filmmakers don't stop to ask themselves questions like "Are people really eager to see this film, when it's not even the festive period?". Also, I think filmmakers should at least have a vague idea, if the film they're making is going to be a hit or not. For example, Pascal & Heyman already know Bond 26 would be a hit. It's just a matter of them adding the usual things that Bond fans know and love.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 30 Posts: 5,993
    Did anyone even read the article? It literally talks about the fact that despite the controversies surrounding it, the film performed better in Republican-dominated "red" states compared to Democrat-supporting "blue" ones? This suggests that, surprise surprise, general audiences may have paid little attention to the political controversies, therefore indicating that "wokeness" may not have been the primary factor affecting the film's overall performance...

    Again, it was just a bad film, which has a knock on affect on its success, but now it's been overrun by preconceived arguments and ideas of what went wrong. Did the controversies have an effect on the film? I'm sure they did, but not enough to warrant it as a concrete reasoning...
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