Where does Bond go after Craig?

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    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    The Living Daylights
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    delfloria wrote: »
    If you could choose just one previous film to pattern the new film after..........what would it be?

    The Living Daylights

    Yep, they got almost everything right.
  • Posts: 1,790
    echo wrote: »
    Buried treasure is kind of a weak plot. They'd likely make it more contemporary.

    The barracuda swim would be cool.

    If a poker game worked....
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.

    Yeah. You could say that. I think while I don't expect a Moore-style Bond for Bond 7, Pascal & Heyman might want the return of the megalomaniac villain and the big sets and possibly gadgets as well... because Bond 26 might be a film that's aimed to please, because of the Amazon purchase....to convince us to stay calm. I think Amazon's Bond 26 is in the same situation GoldenEye was years back....compulsory success!

    I suppose NTTD was kind of a return to those things, so it wouldn't necessarily be as big a shift in theory.

    It's tricky to tell what they'll do, and to a large extent this depends on who the director is, who's writing, and even who the next Bond is. I suspect certain fans looking for an 'ordinary Bond adventure' without any trace of what they disliked from the Craig era might be a bit disappointed, or at least it won't be the film they claim to want (worth saying no Bond fan truly gets the film they envision anyway). But needless to say they'll want a Bond film that gives us the thrills the series is known for.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't like to read too much into the choice of producers as it's easy to overdo that given they're the only information we have so far, but I guess it is notable that they both have very successful franchises under their belt which appeal to a family audience. Not exclusively of course, they've done a lot of other stuff too, but it's hard not to look at the Tom Holland Spider Man films, Harry Potter, Spiderverse, Barbie, Paddington, Wonka etc. and think that they may have been chosen because they've shown great success in pitching films to perhaps a slightly younger audience -or rather including a young audience- than the Craig 007 films were aiming at (the Paddington movies for example are kids films which I genuinely think most adults enjoy when they watch them). I would say those Spider Man films even aim a bit younger than most of the rest of the Marvel ones do.

    It's not conclusive evidence or anything and it's not the only thing they do: indeed Heyman and Pascal are currently making a more adult drama movie together, but I could imagine them making a bit more of a family, mass appeal Bond film than we've had for a while.
    And I don't mean turning him into Paddington, I just a mean something more in the Octopussy, GoldenEye, maybe Daylights zone: something which has that edge of danger and drama of the Craigs but maybe just a little bit more for 9 year olds to get excited by.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don't like to read too much into the choice of producers as it's easy to overdo that given they're the only information we have so far, but I guess it is notable that they both have notable franchises under their belt which appeal to a family audience. Not exclusively of course, they've done a lot of other stuff too, but it's hard not to look at the Tom Holland Spider Man films, Harry Potter, Spiderverse, Barbie, Paddington, Wonka etc. and think that they may have been chosen because they've shown great success in pitching films to perhaps a slightly younger audience -or rather including a young audience- than the Craig 007 films were aiming at (the Paddington movies for example are kids films which I genuinely think most adults enjoy when they watch them). I would say those Spider Man films even aim a bit younger than most of the rest of the Marvel ones do.

    It's not conclusive evidence or anything and it's not the only thing they do: indeed Heyman and Pascal are currently making a more adult drama movie together, but I could imagine them making a bit more of a family, mass appeal Bond film than we've had for a while.

    I think that’s probably true. Does Hollywood call that a 4 quadrant audience? It makes sense if they want to shift toys and games, as well as make money off product placement.

    I’d say they’ll be trying to recreate what made Skyfall such a hit, only I think Eon tried that with the last two films and it didn’t quite work.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don't like to read too much into the choice of producers as it's easy to overdo that given they're the only information we have so far, but I guess it is notable that they both have very successful franchises under their belt which appeal to a family audience. Not exclusively of course, they've done a lot of other stuff too, but it's hard not to look at the Tom Holland Spider Man films, Harry Potter, Spiderverse, Barbie, Paddington, Wonka etc. and think that they may have been chosen because they've shown great success in pitching films to perhaps a slightly younger audience -or rather including a young audience- than the Craig 007 films were aiming at (the Paddington movies for example are kids films which I genuinely think most adults enjoy when they watch them). I would say those Spider Man films even aim a bit younger than most of the rest of the Marvel ones do.

    It's not conclusive evidence or anything and it's not the only thing they do: indeed Heyman and Pascal are currently making a more adult drama movie together, but I could imagine them making a bit more of a family, mass appeal Bond film than we've had for a while.
    And I don't mean turning him into Paddington, I just a mean something more in the Octopussy, GoldenEye, maybe Daylights zone: something which has that edge of danger and drama of the Craigs but maybe just a little bit more for 9 year olds to get excited by.

    I had the same thought, but turned it a slightly different way: They seem to know what is essential to a character-lead franchise and allow the creatives to capitalize on that. Yes, the Holland Spider-Man films skew younger, but IMHO that's because they went with the essential concept of Spider-Man/Peter Parker being a kid from Queens who has to balance school and crime fighting. That's not something new a screenwriter came up with to hit a certain audience. That's a very classiv version of the character.
    Similar to Harry Potter. Films that do triple duty as being for children that grow with the characters, for older fans, who grew with the characters during the book run and as a super-mass market franchise.

    So while this may be cherry picking or reading their careers in as positive a light as I want, I think they are a very good choice to sh pherd a specific view on Bond that makes sense both as it's own new film and in the context of the character. Given my view of what works in Hollywood at the moment and what their goal is, I assume this is going to be a film that is serious at it's core, but has a lot of bangs and whistles around that. And that sounds very Bondian to me.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.

    Yeah. You could say that. I think while I don't expect a Moore-style Bond for Bond 7, Pascal & Heyman might want the return of the megalomaniac villain and the big sets and possibly gadgets as well... because Bond 26 might be a film that's aimed to please, because of the Amazon purchase....to convince us to stay calm. I think Amazon's Bond 26 is in the same situation GoldenEye was years back....compulsory success!

    I suppose NTTD was kind of a return to those things, so it wouldn't necessarily be as big a shift in theory.

    It's tricky to tell what they'll do, and to a large extent this depends on who the director is, who's writing, and even who the next Bond is. I suspect certain fans looking for an 'ordinary Bond adventure' without any trace of what they disliked from the Craig era might be a bit disappointed, or at least it won't be the film they claim to want (worth saying no Bond fan truly gets the film they envision anyway). But needless to say they'll want a Bond film that gives us the thrills the series is known for.

    Yeah. A mix of something original and the familiar would do it.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.

    Yeah. You could say that. I think while I don't expect a Moore-style Bond for Bond 7, Pascal & Heyman might want the return of the megalomaniac villain and the big sets and possibly gadgets as well... because Bond 26 might be a film that's aimed to please, because of the Amazon purchase....to convince us to stay calm. I think Amazon's Bond 26 is in the same situation GoldenEye was years back....compulsory success!

    I suppose NTTD was kind of a return to those things, so it wouldn't necessarily be as big a shift in theory.

    It's tricky to tell what they'll do, and to a large extent this depends on who the director is, who's writing, and even who the next Bond is. I suspect certain fans looking for an 'ordinary Bond adventure' without any trace of what they disliked from the Craig era might be a bit disappointed, or at least it won't be the film they claim to want (worth saying no Bond fan truly gets the film they envision anyway). But needless to say they'll want a Bond film that gives us the thrills the series is known for.

    Yeah. A mix of something original and the familiar would do it.

    Yes, and I'd say in the best way possible that sums up every Bond film!

    Needless to say I think we'll get some surprises.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Anyone knows Pascal & Heyman's favourite Bond films or Bond era? As it would help us know that Bond 26 would look like.

    Considering Heyman's age, he might have grown up with Moore.

    Yeah. You could say that. I think while I don't expect a Moore-style Bond for Bond 7, Pascal & Heyman might want the return of the megalomaniac villain and the big sets and possibly gadgets as well... because Bond 26 might be a film that's aimed to please, because of the Amazon purchase....to convince us to stay calm. I think Amazon's Bond 26 is in the same situation GoldenEye was years back....compulsory success!

    I suppose NTTD was kind of a return to those things, so it wouldn't necessarily be as big a shift in theory.

    It's tricky to tell what they'll do, and to a large extent this depends on who the director is, who's writing, and even who the next Bond is. I suspect certain fans looking for an 'ordinary Bond adventure' without any trace of what they disliked from the Craig era might be a bit disappointed, or at least it won't be the film they claim to want (worth saying no Bond fan truly gets the film they envision anyway). But needless to say they'll want a Bond film that gives us the thrills the series is known for.

    Yeah. A mix of something original and the familiar would do it.

    Yes, and I'd say in the best way possible that sums up every Bond film!

    Needless to say I think we'll get some surprises.

    Yeah. I think so too.
  • Posts: 2,171
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited April 2 Posts: 1,182
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished

    "Likable" is a very subjective words when it comes to Bond films. Some consider the campiness of Moore and Brosnan's Bonds likable, while others find the gritiness of Dalton and Craig's as such.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,424
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished

    "Likable" is a very subjective words when it comes to Bond films. Some consider the campiness of Moore and Brosnan's Bonds likable, while others find the gritiness of Dalton and Craig's as such.

    Yeah. That's true. It's quite subjective. But I suppose he means a James Bond that strikes a chord with almost everyone.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://deadline.com/2025/04/amy-pascal-amazon-mgm-producing-deal-james-bond-films-project-hail-mary-1236357090/

    Will David Heyman and Amy Pascal switch who's truly in charge of Bond films, akin to Cubby and Harry, or Michael or Barbara?

    Also, I would say use PB's films as guides as they have a bit of everything, in terms of tone.
  • edited April 2 Posts: 4,956
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished

    "Likable" is a very subjective words when it comes to Bond films. Some consider the campiness of Moore and Brosnan's Bonds likable, while others find the gritiness of Dalton and Craig's as such.

    I think with Bond the audience have to be able to acknowledge he can be bit of a b*stard at times. But they still have to be drawn to him, and the character has to have a sense of humanity.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished

    Agreed. OHMSS and CR only come along every forty years or so.
  • Posts: 2,171
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Unless the series goes off in a bizarre direction, we'll get what we always have. The newness will be the new faces. I doubt we'll get a "I didn't see that coming" film. If we get a likable Bond and a good story, mission accomplished

    "Likable" is a very subjective words when it comes to Bond films. Some consider the campiness of Moore and Brosnan's Bonds likable, while others find the gritiness of Dalton and Craig's as such.

    Yeah. That's true. It's quite subjective. But I suppose he means a James Bond that strikes a chord with almost everyone.

    Bingo!
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    If nothing else it simply has to be ENTERTAINING.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited April 4 Posts: 1,024
    It was Amazon MGM Studios’ turn at CinemaCon and with it came not just footage but a number of project announcements – from new titles to release windows and more.

    First, Studio execs Courtenay Valenti and Sue Kroll confirmed that producers Amy Pascal and David Heyman have begun work on the next James Bond movie in the UK. They added that the pair couldn’t be there tonight because they were “getting started” and promised this would be a “fresh, exotic new chapter.”
    Dark Horizons

    I’m not sure we can read anything meaningful into “fresh, exotic new chapter”, but it’s good to know they’re getting down to work.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited April 4 Posts: 1,379
    I personally think that they choose those words very carefully. They know that if this is all they say, every word will be dissected and therefore has meaning. And while everything can change during production, it does indicate to me that the pitch that *someone* made is for Bond to return to being in exotic locations and that they want to turn away from the heavy, Grand Operatic Craig phase.

    Edit: Meaning more Cuba-NTTD, less Safin's Island-NTTD.

    Edit2: Well, scratch all of this then. They didn't say exotic.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’d go with sandbagger, it’s nothing to read too much into, they just chose words which evoke Bond films.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    https://variety.com/2025/film/news/james-bond-sexism-ana-de-armas-ballerina-1236358176/

    I love Ana De Armas, she nailed it.
    "Let James be James" 🥂
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
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    according to MI6 the word exotic was incorrect , they actually said exhilarating
  • Posts: 1,962
    It was Amazon MGM Studios’ turn at CinemaCon and with it came not just footage but a number of project announcements – from new titles to release windows and more.

    First, Studio execs Courtenay Valenti and Sue Kroll confirmed that producers Amy Pascal and David Heyman have begun work on the next James Bond movie in the UK. They added that the pair couldn’t be there tonight because they were “getting started” and promised this would be a “fresh, exotic new chapter.”
    Dark Horizons

    I’m not sure we can read anything meaningful into “fresh, exotic new chapter”, but it’s good to know they’re getting down to work.

    Amazon has said that the word "Exotic" was misquoted. So much for careful wording.
  • edited April 4 Posts: 4,956
    It might just be a spin on the 'reinvention' phrase Broccoli used to use. Just a way of making it clear this will be... well, a new chapter of Bond. That's regardless of what we get in practice.

    Also worth saying I presume this is a quote from their presentation at CinemaCon? It’s probably slightly more off the cuff and less of a preplanned statement than we’d see it as in that sense.
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    "Exhilarating" was the word Amazon intended to use instead of "Exotic". See the Variety article to see that they changed it. https://variety.com/2025/film/news/amazon-james-bond-movie-fresh-exotic-1236352644/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's just a couple of positive words, nothing to read anything into.
  • edited April 4 Posts: 6,821
    mtm wrote: »
    It's just a couple of positive words, nothing to read anything into.

    True. We're all very hungry, us famished Bond fans, aren't we? ;) When the truth is, it was all very pro forma, as it should at this point, nothing else.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It's about time for an erotic Bond movie.
  • Posts: 68
    Nudity is cheap. Don't go there.
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