EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • edited April 3 Posts: 429
    Mallory wrote: »
    Let's not forget that three of the five Craig films had significant scripting issues. Only Cr and SF had fully finished shooting scripts and they're among the best of all the Bond films (and definitely the best two DC films). QoS had a writers strike, Spectre suffered from too many cooks and poor creative decisions, and NTTD had to content with a short development period and dealing with the fallout from SP.

    So if they're going to take time to develop the script, all power to them.

    One hopes that a nearly complete and agreeable, if not great, script will be in place when filming for Bond 26 starts. But the fact is that on many (most?) productions of this scale, the script is in constant flux. It’s not ideal but it’s not uncommon. This is one reason why experienced producers are so very important.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 3 Posts: 17,663
    I wonder if there are any NDA-type things in the contract between Eon and Amazon*, or rather what they encompass. Because a Broccoli going out and saying "yeah, they botched it" is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to Amazon and probably the biggest power lever left to BB and MGW. Now, that' not what Barbara is like, but I still wonder how much of a muzzle they got.

    Bond still belongs to them as much as it did before, there's as much chance of them doing that now as there was previously, even less really as professional courtesy is involved now. Plus the Broccolis have never been outspoken types: I'd love to know more of what they're like but we likely never will. I guess it's possible there's some sort of clause in there, if that's something these film deals have.

    As you say, Eon aren't involved. That's just another company which Broccoli and Wilson own at this point, much like Chitty Productions or whatever: nothing to do with Bond anymore. BB & MW co-own this new venture which owns Bond, presumably that'll make them exec producers on B26.
  • Posts: 429
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    If you mean quality wise I think that's quite subjective for what it's worth. I personally can't envision a scenario where everyone is happy with the next film, at least on these forums. It could well be popular with general audiences and critics but have a bit of a backlash amongst us (that's basically what's happened with the past few movies!)

    Financially, it has a bit of leeway. It doesn't need to break a billion or anything, and with Bond we're most likely looking at success in this area beyond most films. Maybe there'll be some disastrous Snow White 2025 type situation (I hope not) but for all intents and purposes I see no reason why it won't be successful and I suspect it'll be well made. I don't know if it'll be quite as zeitgeist capturing as, say, SF or GE, or indeed the early Bonds (it'd be wonderful if it was though), but it's worth saying that's not always common, and again it really doesn't need to be in the short term. In that sense it just needs to make an impact and get Bond back onscreen to a good fan fare. We'll then get more films from there under the same producers in an ideal scenario. But make no mistake, we'll all likely pick this film apart, haha.

    Yeah. I just feel being the first official Non-Eon Bond film, it's automatically a very important film. Also, Amazon have all the tools to have an easier ride. Apart from being super-rich, and apart from access to the Fleming books which EON started with, Amazon have 25 Eon Bond films to look at. Plus, the continuation novels, comics and even some of the games. So I can't help but think that secretly, Amazon might be looking to top EON's Bond work because of the favourable position they are in. Not going to be easy, of course. So many legendary James Bond films to beat. If they can top EON, fine. After all, we all want better Bond films, as the films progress.

    I personally hope they are going into it trying to make the best Bond film possible, whatever that looks like. As I’ve said before if they don’t then there’s very little point to this endeavour. But I think while there’s that pressure to prove the franchise is in good hands, I think there’s a stability to its affairs now that hasn’t been quite there during other tenuous times for Bond. So I think how high its ‘success’ has to go, especially critically and audience wise, has some leeway (obviously if it flops or suffers some sort of PR disaster this would be concerning, and no doubt it has to be successful).

    I think it’s too early to be thinking about whether this next film will break a billion or anything, and in many ways it could be setting us up for disappointment that’s unnecessary. It could well do incidentally. I agree they’ll likely go all in to market this one. Again, I’d bank on it being successful, but I wouldn’t put any number on it yet.

    A billion for a film as big as this is the target. Just as large films throughout the 80s and 90s set their sights on grossing $100,000,000 domestically (U.S.). It’s not guaranteed but it’s the goal, and Amazon is already doing their best to achieve this goal in hiring two producers who have multiple billion-dollar franchises/films on their CV’s.



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    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any NDA-type things in the contract between Eon and Amazon*, or rather what they encompass. Because a Broccoli going out and saying "yeah, they botched it" is probably the worst possible thing that could happen to Amazon and probably the biggest power lever left to BB and MGW. Now, that' not what Barbara is like, but I still wonder how much of a muzzle they got.

    Bond still belongs to them as much as it did before, there's as much chance of them doing that now as there was previously, even less really as professional courtesy is involved now. Plus the Broccolis have never been outspoken types: I'd love to know more of what they're like but we likely never will. I guess it's possible there's some sort of clause in there, if that's something these film deals have.

    As you say, Eon aren't involved. That's just another company which Broccoli and Wilson own at this point, much like Chitty Productions or whatever: nothing to do with Bond anymore. BB & MW co-own this new venture which owns Bond, presumably that'll make them exec producers on B26.

    Broccoli and Wilson still have a stake in Bond, so they will want it to be successful and profitable. They wont bad mouth it publicly.
  • edited April 3 Posts: 4,963
    Burgess wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    If you mean quality wise I think that's quite subjective for what it's worth. I personally can't envision a scenario where everyone is happy with the next film, at least on these forums. It could well be popular with general audiences and critics but have a bit of a backlash amongst us (that's basically what's happened with the past few movies!)

    Financially, it has a bit of leeway. It doesn't need to break a billion or anything, and with Bond we're most likely looking at success in this area beyond most films. Maybe there'll be some disastrous Snow White 2025 type situation (I hope not) but for all intents and purposes I see no reason why it won't be successful and I suspect it'll be well made. I don't know if it'll be quite as zeitgeist capturing as, say, SF or GE, or indeed the early Bonds (it'd be wonderful if it was though), but it's worth saying that's not always common, and again it really doesn't need to be in the short term. In that sense it just needs to make an impact and get Bond back onscreen to a good fan fare. We'll then get more films from there under the same producers in an ideal scenario. But make no mistake, we'll all likely pick this film apart, haha.

    Yeah. I just feel being the first official Non-Eon Bond film, it's automatically a very important film. Also, Amazon have all the tools to have an easier ride. Apart from being super-rich, and apart from access to the Fleming books which EON started with, Amazon have 25 Eon Bond films to look at. Plus, the continuation novels, comics and even some of the games. So I can't help but think that secretly, Amazon might be looking to top EON's Bond work because of the favourable position they are in. Not going to be easy, of course. So many legendary James Bond films to beat. If they can top EON, fine. After all, we all want better Bond films, as the films progress.

    I personally hope they are going into it trying to make the best Bond film possible, whatever that looks like. As I’ve said before if they don’t then there’s very little point to this endeavour. But I think while there’s that pressure to prove the franchise is in good hands, I think there’s a stability to its affairs now that hasn’t been quite there during other tenuous times for Bond. So I think how high its ‘success’ has to go, especially critically and audience wise, has some leeway (obviously if it flops or suffers some sort of PR disaster this would be concerning, and no doubt it has to be successful).

    I think it’s too early to be thinking about whether this next film will break a billion or anything, and in many ways it could be setting us up for disappointment that’s unnecessary. It could well do incidentally. I agree they’ll likely go all in to market this one. Again, I’d bank on it being successful, but I wouldn’t put any number on it yet.

    A billion for a film as big as this is the target. Just as large films throughout the 80s and 90s set their sights on grossing $100,000,000 domestically (U.S.). It’s not guaranteed but it’s the goal, and Amazon is already doing their best to achieve this goal in hiring two producers who have multiple billion-dollar franchises/films on their CV’s.



    That’s fine. Like I said they should be trying to make the best, most successful Bond film they can (although chasing success in this way doesn’t always lead to that). But from our perspective I don’t think we can predict that number yet. No one can at this stage.
  • Posts: 1,965
    What is going on here?........................two weeks ago there were all kinds of Vloggers on YT saying that Bond was now DOOOOOOMED!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    They picked a Broccoli- and Wilson-friendly producer.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Who are quite good and don't just turn out processed, Russo Bros-style streaming crap.
  • edited April 3 Posts: 4,963
    Yes. Time will tell how much of this was a loss for EON and how much it was a true win for Amazon in the sense they made this deal on their own terms (I suspect there's a lot to all this anyway, and insofar as MGM Amazon are made up of many different people in these higher up positions it's tricky to tell what any single organisation 'wants').

    I will say they've done the best case things so far. I'm still quite cautious about what we'll get though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.
  • Posts: 1,965
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.
  • Posts: 429
    delfloria wrote: »
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.

    Whether one loves, hates or has mixed feelings on the Craig era, it raised the game for Bond artistically and financially. Each new Bond film since Casino Royale holds so much promise and anticipation. Every Bond film in the Craig era felt as though it could be the best Bond film of all time. Amazon, so far, seems to be picking up the baton; we'll see if they stumble.
  • edited April 4 Posts: 1,965
    Burgess wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.

    Whether one loves, hates or has mixed feelings on the Craig era, it raised the game for Bond artistically and financially. Each new Bond film since Casino Royale holds so much promise and anticipation. Every Bond film in the Craig era felt as though it could be the best Bond film of all time. Amazon, so far, seems to be picking up the baton; we'll see if they stumble.

    Whereas I feft that the films stumbled drastically after Casino Royale and hammered the nail into the coffin when they retconned the storyline and included the idea that Bond and Blofeld were step brothers. I think Amazon has the chance to reinvent Bond just in time. And yes, I don't care how much money the Craig films have made.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.

    Whether one loves, hates or has mixed feelings on the Craig era, it raised the game for Bond artistically and financially. Each new Bond film since Casino Royale holds so much promise and anticipation. Every Bond film in the Craig era felt as though it could be the best Bond film of all time. Amazon, so far, seems to be picking up the baton; we'll see if they stumble.

    Whereas I feft that the films stumbled drastically after Casino Royale and hammered the nail into the coffin when they retconned the storyline and included the idea that Bond and Blofeld were step brothers. I think Amazon has the chance to reinvent Bond just in time. And yes, I don't care how much money the Craig films have made.

    We're on the same page. This shake up has come in the nick of time. EON were sputtering on where to take Bond long before Craig left, which is why we got so many crazy ideas thrown around like Blofeld being Bond's brother, or a rival 007.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Your loss. The only film of Craig’s run that still severely lets me down in QOS. I can enjoy SP just fine, in spite of the foster brother angle which felt too incidental in the actual film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I enjoy all the Bond films.
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    Burgess wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.

    Whether one loves, hates or has mixed feelings on the Craig era, it raised the game for Bond artistically and financially. Each new Bond film since Casino Royale holds so much promise and anticipation. Every Bond film in the Craig era felt as though it could be the best Bond film of all time. Amazon, so far, seems to be picking up the baton; we'll see if they stumble.

    They tried too hard, I guess.

    Anyway, It took Barbara 10 years to make something like Casino Royale so I'm not going to be too picky about Amazon.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Burgess wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    No matter what it has faced, Bond has always endured.

    And there is always the possibility they make an absolutely great 007 film.

    Whether one loves, hates or has mixed feelings on the Craig era, it raised the game for Bond artistically and financially. Each new Bond film since Casino Royale holds so much promise and anticipation. Every Bond film in the Craig era felt as though it could be the best Bond film of all time. Amazon, so far, seems to be picking up the baton; we'll see if they stumble.

    This is it, really.

    I'm all for it for keeping the James Bond franchise alive, and I agree with you about the Craig Era that while some didn't liked it (it's all subjective by the way and the opinion of one is not the opinion of many, it happened with many Bond films, even in the past) it made Bond keep moving in the modern era, it made Bond relevant to the new generation, I may not be, for example, a fan of the Roger Moore Era, but I can acknowledge of how it maintained Bond's machine running and Bond did survived the 70s and early 80s because of those films, that's the same with the Craig Era, they've all contributed to what makes Bond alive to this day, and I'm very thankful for it.

    I'm not going to conclude about Amazon, not yet, after all, Broccoli and MGW also did their own 'one mistake and try again' games for so long, after AVTAK we have TLD, after DAD we have CR.

    I will make up my mind on them after the release of Bond 26, but I would rather have a new Bond film, than none, at least.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There's 1000 days left until 2028 arrives, is it enough time to get Bond 26 made and released?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    I enjoy all the Bond films.

    I enjoy all the Bond films too. Even have a soft spot for CR’67 and NSNA,though I don’t put them with the EON series.
    Be interesting to see how different the Amazon films will be.
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    I think there's something to enjoy about all the official Bond films too.

    As for the Craig era, I don't see it as too different to the trajectory of the Connery or Moore ones. At some point the films get bigger, and we get some 'crazy' ideas (they don't always work incidentally, or at least I'd say so). But nonetheless I'd still put two of his films in my highest rated Bond movies (CR and SF), and there's a lot to like about the others. I'd agree they raised the game for Bond.
  • Posts: 6,821
    Benny wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I enjoy all the Bond films.

    I enjoy all the Bond films too. Even have a soft spot for CR’67 and NSNA,though I don’t put them with the EON series.
    Be interesting to see how different the Amazon films will be.

    Me too. Although there's almost a handful of them which are just nasty, DUD, NTTD, DAF,... But I do like them to exist amongst the others. There's stuff to like in each and every one of them. Would I rather not have DUD? No, because I like that shot of the Vanquish flipping over the ice, yes, that single shot. NTTD? I like the first half hour very much. So, I wouldn't loose any one of them. I just hope to feel the same when the next one comes out. And I'm hopeful that I will.
  • Posts: 2,470
    I enjoy all 25 EON films too. Do I find some better than others? Absolutely but each film has at least one standout element that keeps me engaged.
  • Posts: 12,630
    I enjoy at least parts of all the EON films. As a collective whole, DAD, DAF, TWINE, and SP are debatable, but I don’t outright “hate” any.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think from Safin's opening Norway attack, to the end of the Matera chase, after Bond puts Madeleine on the train, before Eilish's song kicks in, really works well as a very good short Bond film.
  • Posts: 6,821
    I think from Safin's opening Norway attack, to the end of the Matera chase, after Bond puts Madeleine on the train, before Eilish's song kicks in, really works well as a very good short Bond film.

    My feelings exactly.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred San Monique
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    There's 1000 days left until 2028 arrives, is it enough time to get Bond 26 made and released?

    Not a chance. Need at least 1031 days.
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    Good interview. Pretty much liked everything he had to say.

  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    There's 1000 days left until 2028 arrives, is it enough time to get Bond 26 made and released?

    Not a chance. Need at least 1031 days.

    Are you insane? 1033 days and about 6.5 hours at least!
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