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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    This is a good trailer


  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited April 13 Posts: 25,809
    Apparently there was a new episode of DW last night, all my life I would be waiting and counting down to a new show. Now I have become apathetic which is a shame, I only knew it was on last night as a review appeared on my YT feed.

    Started watching The Robot Revolution, good god this is more childish than Sarah Jane Mysteries.
    The Doctor just killed god knows how many people on life support in that hospital.

    Ripping off Superman III.

    It only took 17 minutes for the Doctor to cry.

    The impossible girl trope is overused at this point.
    Planet of the incels
    😂 I almost coughed up my coffee.

    Not a great start to the season, was boring and nonsensical.

    The last scene in the Tardis was good, with a chilling last image, I liked that.


  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Whaaat? I vividly remember the new season was starting on the 17th. Who's been playing with time?
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    The Robot Revolution is a record breaker. Lowest overnight ratings in the show's history. Two million viewers.

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I knew it was on, I was watching something else. Apathetic sums up my feelings to @Fire_and_Ice_Returns. I'm patiently awaiting the next Doctor, in the hopes that they might be more to my liking.

    I had heard what the planet was called, but I thought it was someone taking the proverbial. They actually called it that? :))

    As for the viewing figures, I thought RTD said that for every fan that stops watching, 2 more will replace them? :-?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    One of the characters says it when talking to the villain
    Planet of the incels
    .

    I am hoping we get chance to see a new show runner and Doctor though I have heard DW may get cancelled, not sure how much validity there is to that.

    One issue is we aren't even following the real Doctor, it was a mistake having the bi generation thing as it led to nothing so far.

    God knows if the so called Whoniverse is still a thing as I have not heard about any other shows being developed.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    It was messy but I really enjoyed it, that might be partly down to it copying Series 5's homework. But Varada Sethu was amazing and I can't wait to see more of her.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 14 Posts: 17,787
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The Robot Revolution is a record breaker. Lowest overnight ratings in the show's history. Two million viewers.

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    4th most watched show across all channels for the day, 2nd most watched for BBC One. That's not bad no matter how you spin it. TV is watched differently these days- I watched it on iPlayer at lunchtime as it went on at 8am.

    I thought it was really good fun. It went a bit fuzzy with the ending, not the best episode ever, but enjoyable space adventure fluff, and it looked wonderful.
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    I had heard what the planet was called, but I thought it was someone taking the proverbial. They actually called it that? :))

    It was called Miss Belinda Chandra, yes; it was all dealt with in the plot of the episode.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I don't want the series cancelled either @Fire_and_Ice_Returns. Same as you, but I have a feeling that it's becoming more likely. RTD has even suggested a hiatus might be on the horizon. Now either RTD just played a 4D chess move, or he has read the writing on the wall.

    The 7 day figures don't jump up that much from the overnights, so if overnight has sunk as low as 2M, i'd be surprised if the 7 day figures can break 5M.
  • edited April 14 Posts: 5,041
    I think it’s tricky for a show like Dr. Who today because viewing habits have changed so much even compared to when it came back in the early 2000s. I remember watching the Tennant series and each weekly episode felt like a sort of communal event one would watch with siblings, family, or even friends. Each episode was different, some better than others, but you’d always tune in.

    Nowadays with streaming/how we watch TV I think it’s less likely people will consistently watch the show and are more likely to skip certain episodes if the premise doesn’t take their fancy. I’m certainly not a Who fan and haven’t really kept up with it past Tennant, but this is more or less my experience with Gatwa’s ones - I’ve only seen a few that have interested me and I don’t feel that same habitual need to keep up with it weekly or watch certain episodes I feel less drawn to. In fact it’s a case where I’ve watched some of them months apart. The episodes themselves are… fine I guess. Not my cup of tea I suppose.

    I could be wrong but I don’t think this helps things. I don’t know if there’s a way the show can be shaken up to keep viewers watching consistently.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The 7 day figures don't jump up that much from the overnights

    They routinely nearly double...? I would call doubling pretty much a jump. 28 day in the 4-5m range for all of the previous season, always in the most-watched programmes list for the week.
    I know people like to say that because it's not getting what it was getting 20 years ago then it must be in crisis, but those people don't tend to compare it to what TV shows today get, just with what they got twenty years ago, which is meaningless.
    It's doing fine. It's not spectacular, but it's fine.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited April 16 Posts: 765
    I've often wondered which of the Bond actors could've been a good Doctor Who.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Thought it a decent episode but I made the cardinal sin of watching a Tom Baker afterward.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I've often wondered which of the Bond actors could've been a good Doctor Who.

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    Dalton would have been a great Doctor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think Pierce would have been to be honest. I believe he was even very much considered for it in the 90s when they were looking at a US version, possibly a film version.

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I've often wondered which of the Bond actors could've been a good Doctor Who.

    Not the Doctor, but I think Dalton would have made a superb Master. But he has already gone one better and been the all powerful Rassilon.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    I always thought Sean's performance in The Last Crusade was a bit Doctorish.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Connery is great in The Last Crusade, the scenes between him and Ford make that my favourite Indiana Jones film, but... I don't see Connery as the Doctor myself.

    And Brosnan is just a bizzarre choice. He is not naturally eccentric, nor is there anything about his style to suggest that he could play an eccentric. He's a better fit for Bond, than the Doctor, i'll say that much for him.
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    To be fair I think Brosnan's actually quite a quirky actor with his very specific inflections, facial expressions, and lack of consistent accent. So I can sort of see it.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    The Pierce Brosnan accent tour, it's here, it's there, it goes everywhere.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 17 Posts: 17,787
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair I think Brosnan's actually quite a quirky actor with his very specific inflections, facial expressions, and lack of consistent accent. So I can sort of see it.

    Yeah absolutely. And the Doctor is as quirky as you want him to be; Paul McGann, Pertwee or Davison aren't exactly wacky but they are completely the Doctor. Brosnan loves nothing better than to add little bits of business and comedy to his performances, sometimes to a slightly naff level(!); I think he'd have been very at home playing the Doctor. Anyone who thinks the idea of him playing an eccentric is bizarre perhaps hasn't seen enough stuff he's done, like Mars Attacks for example. Regardless, its true: he's the only of them of them who was actually considered for the part.


    I actually half expected him to pop up as the Doctor in that Comic Relief special they did years ago as he was promoting TWINE at the time; in the end it was Hugh Grant, who would also have been a fantastic Doctor.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 17 Posts: 14,131
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair I think Brosnan's actually quite a quirky actor with his very specific inflections, facial expressions, and lack of consistent accent. So I can sort of see it.

    Yeah absolutely. And the Doctor is as quirky as you want him to be; Paul McGann, Pertwee or Davison aren't exactly wacky but they are completely the Doctor. Brosnan loves nothing better than to add little bits of business and comedy to his performances, sometimes to a slightly naff level(!); I think he'd have been very at home playing the Doctor.

    I think Pertwee was eccentric, maybe not as much as some other Doctors, but it was there, mixed in with his dandyish action man. Davison wasn't eccentric, but I think he compensated in having in that old soul in a young body vibe. As for McGann, though not eccentic as such, he's still Doctor-ish. Brosnan just isn't right for the Doctor.


    Though it might be worth it to see some epic Painface during his regeneration scenes.

    "Maiii regeneration, has consequences."
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 17 Posts: 17,787
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair I think Brosnan's actually quite a quirky actor with his very specific inflections, facial expressions, and lack of consistent accent. So I can sort of see it.

    Yeah absolutely. And the Doctor is as quirky as you want him to be; Paul McGann, Pertwee or Davison aren't exactly wacky but they are completely the Doctor. Brosnan loves nothing better than to add little bits of business and comedy to his performances, sometimes to a slightly naff level(!); I think he'd have been very at home playing the Doctor.

    I think Pertwee was eccentric, maybe not as much as some other Doctors, but it was there, mixed in with his dandyish action man. Davison wasn't eccentric, but I think he compensated in having in that old soul in a young body vibe. As for McGann, though not eccentic as such, he's still Doctor-ish. Brosnan just isn't right for the Doctor.

    He'd have been fine, he's an actor, like the rest of them. As you admit here, you don't actually have to be eccentric to play the Doctor. As I said, check out some of his more silly stuff like Mars Attacks or The Matador- Remington Steele isn't exactly miles away from a Doctor persona; he's frequently more silly than smooth as Steele and is naturally charming, even slightly childlike, plus there's even the mystery side to him. He didn't just do action heroes and is more suited to Who than most of the Bonds as he was happy to go quirky and silly at times. As I said, he was actually earmarked to play it at one point.
    The Doctor doesn't even really need a type of actor: all you need is someone who is a really great lead actor and that's about it.

    Connery, yeah, I can kind of see it although slightly less.

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Peter Sellers would have been a great Doctor.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    If Doctor Who had never been taken off air in 1989, the 8th Doctor era begins in 1991...




    He would have made a brilliant Doctor, i'm sure. A fine actor, respected, with a wonderfully eccentric character.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    If Doctor Who had never been taken off air in 1989, the 8th Doctor era begins in 1991...




    He would have made a brilliant Doctor, i'm sure. A fine actor, respected, with a wonderfully eccentric character.

    All four main actors from Withnail and I would have been great Doctors.
  • edited April 17 Posts: 637
    McGann is eccentric as the Doctor, and he moves from lighter, humorous material to the darkest and weirdest aspects of the character with ease. Unfortunately, the majority of his performances as the Eighth Doctor, in stories he's been doing every year for over 25 years, is only on audio.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    McGann is eccentric as the Doctor, and he moves from lighter, humorous material to the darkest and weirdest aspects of the character with ease. Unfortunately, the majority of his performances as the Eighth Doctor, in stories he's been doing every year for over 25 years, is only on audio.

    McGann's performance in The Night of The Doctor short is better than the entire run of a few actors who played the Doctor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    McGann is eccentric as the Doctor, and he moves from lighter, humorous material to the darkest and weirdest aspects of the character with ease. Unfortunately, the majority of his performances as the Eighth Doctor, in stories he's been doing every year for over 25 years, is only on audio.

    He's as eccentric as any of them are, but not really massively. I saw him play the Doctor live in London at the end of last year, that was good fun.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Brosnan in Remington Steele does remind me a little of Davison, from what I've seen (I haven't actually seen much of either show).

    I wonder if Craig could've done it. Benoit Blanc is a rather eccentric and quirky character.
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