A Bond nerd

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  • Posts: 11,189
    I think it's fair to say we're all nerds here (myself included). :)
  • Need anyone ask what my first favourite franchise is!? Yes, it is Star Wars haha
    For the past three weeks everyone at Following the Nerd has watched each Star Wars film in their own home (every Wednesday) while commenting on Facebook/Skype/Twitter at the same time. I plan to introduce James Bond into the mix in coming months but I'd much prefer a Roger Moore Bond marathon at the local cinema. From LALD to AVTAK...14 hours of Nerd heaven!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Back up, sir. I'm in movie nerd therapy. =;
  • Back up, sir. I'm in movie nerd therapy. =;
    No need for therapy my friend. Embrace it!
  • In my opinion, Sean Connery did a magnificent job. He is the best Bond, but I much prefer to watch more comical performance and for that reason, I love Roger Moore. :-bd
  • edited May 2011 Posts: 4,622
    There is nothing nerdy about Bond. Spock on the other hand and Dork, "whose my daddy" Skywalker. I rest my case.
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    There is nothing nerdy about Bond. Spock on the other hand and Dork, "whose my daddy" Skywalker. I rest my case.
    Bond certainly isn't a geeky and nerdy product. This has generally been associated to Sci-Fi. I agree with timmer.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    There is nothing nerdy about Bond. Spock on the other hand and Dork, "whose my daddy" Skywalker. I rest my case.
    All I know is that I can geek out when watching Bond. And you're right; there's nothing nerdy about Bond. That said, I'm both a SW and ST fan, but my interest in these two franchises is a trifle more subtle than most people's. It has something to do with my job. ;;) Anyway, if I were a geek, I wouldn't mind. :P I usually prefer the term fan boy. I will do a lot to get (to) something Bond / SW / ST related but I won't skip on sex for them. ;;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I much prefer to watch more comical performance and for that reason, I love Roger Moore. :-bd
    Another Roger Moore fan !! Welcome, please get a seat, MR is about to start !! :-bd
  • edited May 2011 Posts: 251
    No, there is nothing nerdy about Bond, but I would say there certainly is about some fans! Myself included, before you have a sense of humour failiure. ;))
  • Posts: 4,622
    Yes Bond is not of the Star Wars/ Star Trek universe which are both geek central and I mean that in a nice way. No the Bond movies are rooted in the uber cool sixties spy scene.
    But the fan crossover with the geek universe and comic book crowd is appreciated. Bond does have a broad appeal.
    The most brazen attempt to bring Bond into the geek domain I thought was by Joss Whedon ( the ultimate geek) when he wrote some really dorky Bond dialogue into one of the Buffy episodes. He had the three parent's-basement trekker dorks, arguing over who was the best Bond. Very out of place, I thought.
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    The public would probably say Conney. But what do they know, they got Brosnan cast.
    I thought Albert Broccoli got him cast, Brosnan was his choice too. And the man that gave us the 007 franchise is difficult to fault even if I think he made a booboo with Dalton.
    I still find Sean Connery as 007 the best, perhaps because his tales stay rather close to Flemings tales. WHich I find a big bonus. And yes I love the one off with Lazenby a lot too. And Roger Moore was simply brilliant.

    Craig still has to convince me with only 3/4 of a decent 007 movie behind his name imho.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 2011 Posts: 13,999
    The public would probably say Conney. But what do they know, they got Brosnan cast.
    I thought Albert Broccoli got him cast, Brosnan was his choice too. And the man that gave us the 007 franchise is difficult to fault even if I think he made a booboo with Dalton.
    I still find Sean Connery as 007 the best, perhaps because his tales stay rather close to Flemings tales. WHich I find a big bonus. And yes I love the one off with Lazenby a lot too. And Roger Moore was simply brilliant.

    Craig still has to convince me with only 3/4 of a decent 007 movie behind his name imho.

    If Cubby had it his way, as I beleive it should have been, Dalton would have continued on as Bond into the 1990's, bypassing Brosnan alltogether. Sadly, that didn't happen, and through the 90's, the series entered it's most creatively (though financially sound) era of it's existance.
  • Posts: 7,653
    The public would probably say Conney. But what do they know, they got Brosnan cast.
    I thought Albert Broccoli got him cast, Brosnan was his choice too. And the man that gave us the 007 franchise is difficult to fault even if I think he made a booboo with Dalton.
    I still find Sean Connery as 007 the best, perhaps because his tales stay rather close to Flemings tales. WHich I find a big bonus. And yes I love the one off with Lazenby a lot too. And Roger Moore was simply brilliant.

    Craig still has to convince me with only 3/4 of a decent 007 movie behind his name imho.

    If Cubby had it his way, as I beleive it should have been, Dalton would have continued on as Bond into the 1990's, bypassing Brosnan alltogether. Sadly, that didn't happen, and through the 90's, the series entered it's most creatively barren era of it's existance.
    I believe Cubby saw rightfully the potential in Brosnan. Dalton was a somewhat flawed and failed article after his two movies. I am sure had all the legal stuff not happened we would have seen "Property of a lady" as Daltons third but........ We would have had Brosnan a few years earlier too make the series more lighthearted after the more grim exploits.
    It is my opinion Had Brosnan taken over from Roger instead of making one more year of Remington Steele I doubt if Dalton had ever entered the scene as 007. As it is we got both which looking backward gave us different styles of 007.

    My only regret is that Brosnan never played the Saint a part he would have been bloody brilliant at, imho.

  • Posts: 251
    Well, with this logic, you could say if Cubby had his way, Connery would have stayed on for a lot more Bonds! The fact is, Cubby wanted Brosnan for a long time, and despite what some think, Brosnan was a risky choice, as his career in film was hardly rising. Ultimately, he was a great choice.
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    I am not 100% convinced Broccoli really wanted Brosnan back in 86. Yes, he cast him but I think the studio and public awareness of Brosnan was behind much of that decision. As it was Cubby dropped him like a brick when Remington Steele was renewed for a 6 episode 5th season. The producers of Steele were willing to adjust their schedule to allow him to be Bond but Cubby would have none of it. Had Cubby REALLY wanted Brosnan in 86, he would have had Brosnan in 86.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 2011 Posts: 13,999
    The public would probably say Conney. But what do they know, they got Brosnan cast.
    I thought Albert Broccoli got him cast, Brosnan was his choice too. And the man that gave us the 007 franchise is difficult to fault even if I think he made a booboo with Dalton.
    I still find Sean Connery as 007 the best, perhaps because his tales stay rather close to Flemings tales. WHich I find a big bonus. And yes I love the one off with Lazenby a lot too. And Roger Moore was simply brilliant.

    Craig still has to convince me with only 3/4 of a decent 007 movie behind his name imho.

    If Cubby had it his way, as I beleive it should have been, Dalton would have continued on as Bond into the 1990's, bypassing Brosnan alltogether. Sadly, that didn't happen, and through the 90's, the series entered it's most creatively barren era of it's existance.
    I believe Cubby saw rightfully the potential in Brosnan. Dalton was a somewhat flawed and failed article after his two movies. I am sure had all the legal stuff not happened we would have seen "Property of a lady" as Daltons third but........ We would have had Brosnan a few years earlier too make the series more lighthearted after the more grim exploits.
    It is my opinion Had Brosnan taken over from Roger instead of making one more year of Remington Steele I doubt if Dalton had ever entered the scene as 007. As it is we got both which looking backward gave us different styles of 007.

    My only regret is that Brosnan never played the Saint a part he would have been bloody brilliant at, imho.

    I'm not too sure about that, seing that Dalton was offered Bond before Brosnan (and i'm not talking about back in 1968, but 1986/7), also with Daltons interest in the films holding up (not to mention those pesky leagal problems) he could have easily steered Bond though the 1990's. Bowing out in 1998 or 2000, the new Bond takes over for 2000 or 2002. As for Brosnan as The Saint, by all means, if it had kept him away from Bond. He could've made an even worse Saint, and it wouln't have made a difference to me.

    I quite liked Return Of The Saint, though.
  • Posts: 251
    It is ofcourse possible, that had Dalton made a third Bond, audience figures may have gotten even smaller, and the studio pulls the plug on Bond, and we don`t have a fan forum!
  • Posts: 4,622
    I think Cubby did want Dalts and that yes if he really wanted Brozzer that bad, he would have found a way. Remember back in 1986, Brozzer was a skinny weak looking Remington Steele. He would have made a horrible Bond. At least he managed to fill out a bit by 1995.
    I also don't think Property of a Lady was ever in line to be a Dalton Bond film. Octopussy the film, already incorporated key elements from the story. If you trace the development of the Bond series from FYEO on, Eon has been very consistent about slowly but surely working in each of the Fleming short story titles without doubling up any of them, until they finally found a way to work in the last remaining unused title which was QoS. I think with QoS, they just thought, heck lets make a movie out of it. We can get away with the title by trumpeting its Fleming origins which was suddenly a great idea, following the long awaited release of Fleming's Casino Royale, not-conicidentally, the only other Fleming title that Eon hadn't managed to make use of in some way, but now with CR filmed and made, suddenly there was an opportunity to achieve closure with the Fleming titles and the bold move was made to name the new film QoS. They could have called B22 anything. It certainly wasn't screaming call me QoS. No, Eon thought, let's get this final title done, so they contrived to name the mysertious "Organization" Quantum.
    For this reason I don't think we are going to ever see films called Risico or the Hildbrand Rarity or Property of a Lady, simply because I don't believe Eon considers these titles to have not been used. Eon took pains to work elements of these stories into other movies,namely FYEO (Risico) OP( POAL) and LTK (THR). The two titles they seemed to give up on were CR and AQoS. CR for legal reasons and AQoS because they hadn't found a way yet.
    The Fleming stories that weren't actually used as movie titles could conceivably still be made as film titles. Anything is possible but the reason won't be because they are "unused." I believe Eon made a statement with QoS. i.e. We did it. We've finally got all the Fleming stories into the films.
  • Posts: 11,189
    I don't know all the details but I always thought it was Cubby himself who eyed up Brosnan in 1981 on the set of FYEO. I dare say Cubby originally wanted Dalton as he got there first but, ultimately, Cubby was a businessman. Like it or not he saw the appeal Brosnan had with the public - something Dalton didn't have. Hence why he was swayed towards Brozza in '86.
  • Posts: 4,622
    I don't know all the details but I always thought it was Cubby himself who eyed up Brosnan in 1981 on the set of FYEO. I dare say Cubby originally wanted Dalton as he got there first but, ultimately, Cubby was a businessman. Like it or not he saw the appeal Brosnan had with the public - something Dalton didn't have. Hence why he was swayed towards Brozza in '86.
    I think you are right. Cubby eyed Broz on the set of FYEO but Dalts had been on his radar for longer. And yes Dalts unfortunately didn't quite work out from an ideal biz pov, so suddenly it was Brozzer time and one of the weakest Bonds ever, if not the weakest.
    They really should hold auditions and not sign on "look" as they did with the Saint and Remington Steele.
  • Posts: 11,189
    Looks were also a big factor when they signed up George Lazenby. Don't forget he had no other acting credentials to his name at the time so there was little else they could access him by other than his arrogant persona.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited May 2011 Posts: 7,208
    As a Bond fan but also as a film fan in general it is hard not to see Sean Connery's brilliance in the role. Certainly his first four performances are beyond wonderful. By the time of YOLT he got somewhat bored and there is no denying he's acting on automatic pilot. When he returned for DAF and later for NSNA he clearly had more fun playing the role again. Although he could never top his early performances he was still enjoyable.

    Now, Connery's greatness does not make other Bond actors necessarily bad Bonds. Often people misjudge George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton because they starred in so few Bond films without realising that they were actually giving excellent performances as well as staying close to Ian Fleming which is a great plus. They will always remain the unfairly underrated pair of the Bond series.

    Roger Moore on the other hand gets a hard time by some people because he got a little too old near the time of OP and AVTAK. Still, when looking objectively at his performances he probably has the most "English" way of behaviour and his incredible charm is what keeps those films enjoyable (albeit on another level). Let's also not forget that Moore had a few moments in which he did prove that he could have been tougher.

    Pierce Brosnan's films are often critisezed for being too generic. With the exception of GE that is partly true. However, for me his performances were one of the few better aspects in these movies. I believe that Brosnan would have been better if they had continued in the fashion of GE instead of giving him bad lines and too many machine guns. I would put his GE peformance in my top 5.

    While Daniel Craig gives nice performances so far, people tend to forget this sort of Bond has been done before. Dalton introduced the purist sort of James Bond as he was created by Fleming (although Connery, Lazenby and Moore had also moments of sheer "Flemingness") but audiences weren't ready for it. Spectacular hand-to-hand combat was already present in Lazenby's one-time shot at the role. Nonetheless Craig is a very good actor and the right choice for Bond.

    So in the end, there were never bad Bond actors so far. Some may appeal to certain people while others won't. But if you look at it, there has never been a Bond film with a bad lead or so-so performance by the main actor. They were all good in their own way.

    (My personal top 5 peformances would be:
    Connery in FRWL and TB, Lazenby in OHMSS, Dalton in TLD and Brosnan in GE.)
  • LudsLuds MIA
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    I am not 100% convinced Broccoli really wanted Brosnan back in 86. Yes, he cast him but I think the studio and public awareness of Brosnan was behind much of that decision. As it was Cubby dropped him like a brick when Remington Steele was renewed for a 6 episode 5th season. The producers of Steele were willing to adjust their schedule to allow him to be Bond but Cubby would have none of it. Had Cubby REALLY wanted Brosnan in 86, he would have had Brosnan in 86.
    That's how I see it as well. Realistically, if you have "your man" you'd be willing to work around some possible issues to accommodate him. In this case, it's obvious Cubby had wanted Dalton for a while, and was disappointed when Dalton couldn't be signed the first time and had to drop to plan B which may or may not have been pushed by the studio. It's quite possible Cubby liked Brosnan as well and was happy with him as a backup plan, but when the whole Steele situation occurred and the chance to get Dalton again, he jumped on the chance, thankfully.
  • Posts: 251
    I think Cubby was uncomfortable with the fact that Brosnan would be playing another detective in Remmington Steele, that is the reason he was not "worked around".
    The fact remains, Brosnans Bond proved to be more popular, and ultimately, more successful. I am glad we got Dalton for two Bonds though!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Of all Bond actors who have made more than 2 outings (Connery 6, Moore 7 and Brosnan 4), Brosnan is the most B.O. regularity. Bond. His best attendance and worst attendance are only 5 millions apart.
  • Posts: 251
    Only 5 million! Sounds funny! What is the difference in takings between CR and QOS ?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Brosnan was sure enough well-loved by general audiences, despite a lot of frustrations from Bond fans. It seems to me that he was given a lot of credit in the days of and since GE. TND proved okay for some but loathsome for others. I remember this film already splitting former Brosnanites into two camps. TWINE and DAD allowed dark clouds to hover over us, Bond fans.
  • Posts: 251
    Well, I`m afraid to dissapoint you DD, but I am a Bond fan, and I like TWINE a lot, DAD a little. There seems to be a prevailing attitude that if you like this era, you are not a Bond, fan, or don`t read Fleming. Wrong.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Only 5 million! Sounds funny! What is the difference in takings between CR and QOS ?
    GE made 82 millions tickets, his worst made 77 millions.

    As for Craig. I think it's closer. But he only has made 2 films as of yet.

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