What is your least favourite Brosnan flick ?

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  • Did Brosnan write/direct the film? No, he just starred in it and did the best he could.

    It's not his fault, it's not like he came into work and demanded that they put in an entire CGI action scene and Halle Berry.
    lol but could you imagine?

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    Getafix wrote:
    Oh look, it's so much fun to bash. Hmm. Let's start on Brosnan again, why not? Well when Brosnan came around, a certain segment of Bond fans were happy to start bashing Moore. Don't know why it (tearing down others/negativity) sort of snowballs, but it does. Human nature, I guess.

    I want to say to every one clearly: Do not judge Bond fans too generally, when it comes to age. People have a wide variety of tastes, likes, preferences. And yes, I am a huge Brosnan fan. So are many of my contemporaries. And I am one of the oldest on this site, by the way (in my fifties).

    I have been a Bond fan since age 13, and I can honestly say I like all of the actors who have played Bond except Lazenby. I have read all the books. And I am a lifelong movie fan; I really enjoy films. Literature and movies are two of my passions. I may be more openminded than some folks as regards to what Bond should look like. And I am okay with each actor bringing something of his own strengths/personality to Bond, within reason. So I am quite happy with Sean, Roger, Timothy, Pierce and Dan. I only had doubts about Dan (I hadn't yet since much of his work); but that disappeared the moment I saw Casino Royale. Love him as Bond.

    As for Brosnan - he was a fine Bond indeed. I am a proud Brosnan fan; you're right, @thelivingroyale. He had many fine moments, not just a few. It is shame Brosnan's last film was such a letdown, really poor - his performance in it was good. I especially love GE and TND, but some of my friends (my age) like TWINE as their favorite Bond film. He deserved a fifth film and a better one to go out on.

    So we can and will disagree with each other - after all, we are individuals who have our own likes/dislikes. I love with a passion FRWL, DN, TSWLM, FYEO, TLD, GE and CR. Pretty much the whole spectrum. For me, there is no blinkered ideal Bond;, I can welcome new actors in the role. But they must have something special, and really have me believe they are James Bond (and Lazenby didn't do that).

    Onwards to Skyfall, everyone! And I am much cheered - it is looking like a spectacularly entertaining Bond movie, a return to "classic" style in some ways, fun, with maybe a decent screenplay, too.

    I love the old chestnut about how Brozza deserved 'one more'. He stars in the biggest piece of crud the series has seen and still his die hard fans claims that rather than sacking him and finally giving the job to a decent actor, EON should have responded by giving him another go. Classic.

    You obviously can't think he's THAT bad an actor if you don't have any issues watching him outside of Bond. What's the difference between his performances in Bond films and his roles in non-Bond films?

    Why have you got such an obsession with him?

    He can't get all the blame for DAD and I'm pretty certain it wasn't his decision to include the CGI sequences neither was it his decision to hire Lee Tamahori. Babs and MGW should shoulder a lot of the blame (as I'm pretty sure they have). Someone above Brozza's head also suggested the possibility of a Jinx film. That would have been horrendous but thankfully Brozza wouldn't have been in it.

    Ultimately its a good thing DAD was made because it was a lesson to the producers what can happen if they go too far.

    Brosnan's not the greatest of actors but he's used as a scapegoat by people like you.

    I certainly know who would have wanted him to continue - Judi Dench. You could tell she liked him.
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    It's all about casting.

    Brozza works well in TTOP and the Ghost because he plays a morally ambiguous sleaze ball. He is actually very good in those films. But if you bring those qualities to Bond, you undermine the entire character. He was tragically miscast as Bond.

    He's not a very good actor, but given the right part he can do a job.

    I don't have anything against him personally. He seems like a nice guy. But he destroyed Bond for 4 movies, which is difficult to ignore. I'm sure Judy liked him, being an old girl and Brozza being a handsome young chap and all that, but she didn't pay good money to go and watch that crud, did she? She was paid large wads of cash to play his mum and then turn up for the opening night and drink loads of Bolly. Meanwhile muggins here paid good money to watch the Brozza trashing his favourite movie character.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    He was tragically miscast as Bond.

    Connery didn't think so. Neither did I and neither did a large portion of the fanbase at the time (I've seen the old threads on here).

    I'd actually argue in many ways Bond is "morally ambiguous". Fleming describes him as a "philanderer" who "makes love to five married women at one time". He drinks, he smokes and he doesn't always think very highly of the opposite sex.

    Meanwhile muggins here paid good money to watch the Brozza trashing his favourite movie character.
    To quote Brosnan's Bond "Am I suppose to feel sorry for you?"
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    This all comes down to writing, and the writing on the last three Brosnan films is diabolical at times. I really don't know how those guys keep their jobs other than the sobering reality that the franchise continues to be popular.
  • Getafix wrote:
    But he destroyed Bond for 4 movies, which is difficult to ignore. I'm sure Judy liked him, being an old girl and Brozza being a handsome young chap and all that, but she didn't pay good money to go and watch that crud, did she? She was paid large wads of cash to play his mum and then turn up for the opening night and drink loads of Bolly. Meanwhile muggins here paid good money to watch the Brozza trashing his favourite movie character.

    M didn't really become Bonds mum until CR.

    Anyway, even if you don't like his films, why are you acting like it was all Brosnans fault? He didn't write, direct it, he just starred in it. From interviews, it seems like he wanted to do something different.

    If you hate his films so much, why don't you blame the script writers or the producers, or the directors? Why do you keep shoving all the blame on Brosnan, who just turned up and did his job?
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    Here's what I don't get about Brosnan's performance as Bond. If he truly knew what direction he wanted to take the character in right from the start, why after 4 films didn't it happen? Surely he had the same input as the other actors? Short of Lazenby, who was too green to have any concept in mind other than looking like Bond, every other Bond actor has a definite clue what they wanted and executed it. Connery took direction from Young and Fleming but at that point it was a new adaptation. Moore went away from Connery to avoid comparisons. Dalton went to the source material and threw in a little Connery from memory. Craig is doing an updated Connery and wants to get that sense of humor in there more often. He has a flair for physical comedy plus the dry wit as well. Brosnan's portrayal is a "greatest hits" package as best as I can tell, plus his accent didn't suit the character. It worked for some people but for the most part it was overly cliched for me.
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    Getafix wrote:
    But he destroyed Bond for 4 movies, which is difficult to ignore. I'm sure Judy liked him, being an old girl and Brozza being a handsome young chap and all that, but she didn't pay good money to go and watch that crud, did she? She was paid large wads of cash to play his mum and then turn up for the opening night and drink loads of Bolly. Meanwhile muggins here paid good money to watch the Brozza trashing his favourite movie character.

    M didn't really become Bonds mum until CR.

    Anyway, even if you don't like his films, why are you acting like it was all Brosnans fault? He didn't write, direct it, he just starred in it. From interviews, it seems like he wanted to do something different.

    If you hate his films so much, why don't you blame the script writers or the producers, or the directors? Why do you keep shoving all the blame on Brosnan, who just turned up and did his job?

    My post was aimed at a specific audience - ie winding up BAIN.

    Of course I blame everyone else as well. But like Sir Henry says, if he couldn't really nail the part or provide anything distinctive after 4 films then he takes a large part of the blame.

    It would have been interesting to see what Tarantino might have done with Brosnan, but I don't think EON would have liked it!
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    Getafix wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    But he destroyed Bond for 4 movies, which is difficult to ignore. I'm sure Judy liked him, being an old girl and Brozza being a handsome young chap and all that, but she didn't pay good money to go and watch that crud, did she? She was paid large wads of cash to play his mum and then turn up for the opening night and drink loads of Bolly. Meanwhile muggins here paid good money to watch the Brozza trashing his favourite movie character.

    M didn't really become Bonds mum until CR.

    Anyway, even if you don't like his films, why are you acting like it was all Brosnans fault? He didn't write, direct it, he just starred in it. From interviews, it seems like he wanted to do something different.

    If you hate his films so much, why don't you blame the script writers or the producers, or the directors? Why do you keep shoving all the blame on Brosnan, who just turned up and did his job?

    My post was aimed at a specific audience - ie winding up BAIN.

    Of course I blame everyone else as well. But like Sir Henry says, if he couldn't really nail the part or provide anything distinctive after 4 films then he takes a large part of the blame.

    It would have been interesting to see what Tarantino might have done with Brosnan, but I don't think EON would have liked it!
    How is Pierce to blame for horrid scriptwriting? Say what you want about the man (you often do, unfiltered anyway) but filmmaking is a team project. If a few people aren't on their game then the project as a whole sinks. Pierce was great in GE when the right script was made as well as the right directorial decisions and casting choices, but as we can see in his other Bond work, some of those didn't come together so well and the films paid that price for it.
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    He was rubbish in all his films IMO.
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    Getafix wrote:
    He was rubbish in all his films IMO.

    Yes, do you have something actually constructive to continue this argument on instead of once again randomly bashing the man? I am turning into bloody @BAIN123, aren't I?

    *Rhetorical question, if I even need to point that out*
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    BAINS not here, so if you want to take his place for a bit feel free. ;)
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    Getafix wrote:
    BAINS not here, so if you want to take his place for a bit feel free. ;)
    No thanks, running daycares aren't my thing.
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    Getafix wrote:
    BAINS not here, so if you want to take his place for a bit feel free. ;)
    No thanks, running daycares aren't my thing.

    Is that what he does?

    No wonder he's always getting so angry.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    BAINS not here, so if you want to take his place for a bit feel free. ;)
    No thanks, running daycares aren't my thing.

    Is that what he does?

    No wonder he's always getting so angry.

    If I had to deal with dozens of little @Getafixes all day, I would be too.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    BAINS not here, so if you want to take his place for a bit feel free. ;)
    No thanks, running daycares aren't my thing.

    Is that what he does?

    No wonder he's always getting so angry.

    If I had to deal with dozens of little @Getafixes all day, I would be too.

    :-SS
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    But you know Getafix just likes winding people up, his favorite pastime. Just move along ... he will always tag along whining; just his nature.

    Plenty of fans appreciate Brosnan for the very good Bond he was. He only had 4 films and yes deserved a 5th. I liked his take on the character just fine. I especially enjoy GE and TND, several of my friends love TWINE (I do enjoy that PTS tremendously), and no one I know likes DAD overall; but Pierce's acting in it was not the problem.

    Again, it comes down to personality and personal preference. C'est la vie.
  • I am one of the exception, apparently. Being born in 1992, I grew up with Brosnan's bond. So naturally, I developed a strong liking to his portrayal of Bond. He's my idea of Bond because he is who I grew up with.

    Anyway, I love all of Pierce Brosnan's movies, including Die Another Day, which doesn't seem to get a lot of love here. My least favorite would probably have to be Tomorrow Never Dies. I love everything about that movie, but the other three Brosnan movies are better in my opinion.
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    BeBeMignon wrote:
    I am one of the exception, apparently. Being born in 1992, I grew up with Brosnan's bond. So naturally, I developed a strong liking to his portrayal of Bond. He's my idea of Bond because he is who I grew up with.

    Anyway, I love all of Pierce Brosnan's movies, including Die Another Day, which doesn't seem to get a lot of love here. My least favorite would probably have to be Tomorrow Never Dies. I love everything about that movie, but the other three Brosnan movies are better in my opinion.

    You would be welcomed with open arms here, my friend:
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3219/pierce-brosnan-appreciation-bond-n-beyond./p3

    :-bd
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    BeBeMignon wrote:
    I am one of the exception, apparently. Being born in 1992, I grew up with Brosnan's bond. So naturally, I developed a strong liking to his portrayal of Bond. He's my idea of Bond because he is who I grew up with.

    Anyway, I love all of Pierce Brosnan's movies, including Die Another Day, which doesn't seem to get a lot of love here. My least favorite would probably have to be Tomorrow Never Dies. I love everything about that movie, but the other three Brosnan movies are better in my opinion.

    TND is Brozza's best
  • TND is fun, and there's some really good scenes (the Kaufman scene is one of the best in the series), but I think there's too much action. Now I'm a big fan of mindess action films, but Bond films have to be something more.

    The first half is really good, using the media as villians was great and it's still relevant today, Pryce is having fun being really OTT as Carver, Brosnan is great as always and Wai Lin is a good Bond girl, but the 2nd half has too much action.

    If it wasn't for that, I think it'd stand a big chance of being Brosnans best, but I prefer GE and TWINE.
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    1st half is definitely the best. PTS is actual one of the better ones.
  • I think with most Bond films the first half is the best. I think OP is the biggest exception.
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    Going off topic slightly, I still cant believe Moonraker has been voted the worst Bond flick of all time in the recent poll! Surely DAF or DAD or AVTAK deserve that dubious honour.
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    Still cant believe Moonraker has been voted the worst Bond flick of all time!

    I know. Shocking.
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    I think with most Bond films the first half is the best. I think OP is the biggest exception.

    Very true. The OP finale is excellent.
  • Agreed, OP gets really good once they leave India and sight and sound gags behind.

    Still glad to see so many view MR at the bottom, a dreadful film, though I still think DAD deserves the honor even more. DAF and AVTAK are not as bad as those two, way more to like in the way of memorable characters and performances.
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    Poor old MR.
  • I don't mind the space stuff in MR, they were just cashing in on the Star Wars craze, just like LTK (as much as I love it), was cashing in on the 80s drugs craze. It's of it's time.

    The thing that does bother me about MR, which drags the film to the bottom of my list, is Jaws. He was a great henchman, ruined in MR. In TSWLM, he was threatening, in MR, he was a joke.
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    The space stuff actually looks quite good.
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