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Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think the Q scenes in LTK are one of the films highlights. Showed Dalton could do humour, I love the bit where he says "I hope you don't snore Q"

    I like his line "Pam this is Q my uncle. Uncle! This is Miss Kennedy my cousin". But you can just tell he's a bit uncomfortable. He seems too...self conscious. Desmond looks like he's having more fun.
  • SharkySharky
    Posts: 266
    Goldeneye: Pierce's best and the better film out of those two.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    CR vs TSWLM for the next round?

    I think they're two of the most popular Bonds and I really want to see who would win.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Clearly the winner of this round is GOLDENEYE!!

    On several requests actually, for this one particular match-up, I give you our next round (cue the drumming introduction!)

    The Spy Who Loved Me vs. Casino Royale

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    Casino Royale
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Casino Royale, but only because Bond is more plausible, there was traces of the early yet to come Moore humor in 1977 but still not fully manifested or evident in what were to be subsequent appearances

    Spy is a great Bond adventure, one of the best of the last 35 years, Moore does well, it has Barbara Bach, but I think all things considered Casino Royale wins this round
  • SJK91SJK91
    Posts: 1,310
    Casino Royale without question.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    I wholeheartedly vote for Casino Royale because there were no woodpeckers to be found on Eva Green.
  • Jones_The_BondJones_The_Bond
    Posts: 344
    The Spy Who Loved Me All the ingredients mixed together perfectly in this one. I like Casino Royale very much, but will always prefer the 'full-Bond' of Moore in Spy, to the admittedly impressive fledgling Bond of Craig in CR.

    Cubby put it all up on the screen and Moore proved the doubters wrong.
  • 0iker00iker0
    edited October 2012 Posts: 501
    This is hard. Both in my top ten, but The Spy Who Loved Me is the winner. It has a great story, it has a great Bond, it has a great score (one of the best non-barry), a great song, it has Ken Adam, it has Maurice Binder's best TS, it has great gadgets, specially the lotus, great PTS...

    CR has the best Arnold score, it has a great Bond, it has a great car, but not car chase, it has the best running chase I've ever seen, it has one of the best non-binder TS, a great introduction to Bond in the black and white PTS...
    Anyway, here's my rank:
    8. Casino Royale
    7. For Your Eyes Only
    6. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    5. Dr. No
    4. Octopussy
    3. From Russia With Love
    2. The Spy Who Loved Me
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Casino Royale because it's the better film in every conceivable way.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,999
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me
    20. Casino Royale

    The Spy Who Loved Me it is.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I like The Spy who Loved Me very much but this film wins



    ;)

    (*seriously Casino Royale 2006)
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Casino Royale wins being the 2nd in my ranking although SWLM would make my top 10 and is my fav Rog film, I do have soft spot for it being my first ever Bond film, seeing it on the big screen back in 1977.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Dalton has more than hinted in interviews that he was never a massive fan of Roger's Bond so I can't see him wanting to go down that road of a "lighter" 007.

    With LTK I get the feeling everybody concerned (including Dalton) tried a bit too hard to be dark and "brooding". Watching LTK he pretty much scowls his way through the entire film and looks a bit uncomfortable in some of the lighter scenes (i.e. the Q scene in the hotel). That ultimately, as @thelivingroyale said, reflected badly on the bloke.

    I think you misunderstand Dalts and haven't seen his interviews surrounding LTK. Dalts did not have the creative input that DC has on his films. He got the script for LTK ten days before filming started and he stated soon after that he was not particularly keen on the overly dark tone of the film. He talked about having a lot more humour in the next film.

    I think you also need to rewatch TLD, which is frankly not very different in tone from a Rog movie. Yes, Dalts plays it a bit more straight, but there are plenty of gags in there. Actually a lot more than in the early Sean films.

    What I'm saying is that you've bought the old canard that Dalton's Bond was 'dark' when TLD is really a regular Bond movie and LTK is an oddity that even Dalts was not that keen on.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I saw part of TLD not long ago. I like it. It's a decent Bond film and it has several "hangover" moments from Roger's films I agree. The mountain chase, the final moments of the PTS, some of the quips ("he got the boot" - which is badly synced in btw). Ultimately Dalton prefers that one because it has a more "Bond-esque" feel to it. I do too, it's a solid action adventure.

    From what I gather he wanted to get rid of some of the "quips", rightly so as he was never that great with them.

    I think Dalton knew that LTK was a step sideways rather than a step forwards. But from looking at his performance in LTK you can see he's putting A LOT of effort in at times. The way he theatrically cuts in front of Lupe in the casino and says "TAKE ME TO HIM" is a good example. He scowles his way through most of the film and seems uncomfortable in some of the lighter scenes (the Q scene).

    I'm just not sure Dalton HAD what it took to charm audiences. I don't get the impression all that many people were mourning his departure back in 1994. I could be very wrong and I'm sure I'll get pillaried for saying that but I'm just not convinced otherwise.

    I have a feeling if Craig suddenly left A LOT more people would be disappointed.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    Posts: 7,854
    Casino Royale
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I agree with Bane. When Dalton left, nobody gave a damn apart from die hard Dalton loyalists. Everyone else wanted Brosnan anyway. However, Dalton doesn't have the pull, impact and overall appeal of Craig. When Craig leaves, it's going to be a sad day for legions of people.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    doubleoego wrote:
    I agree with Bane. When Dalton left, nobody gave a damn apart from die hard Dalton loyalists. Everyone else wanted Brosnan anyway. However, Dalton doesn't have the pull, impact and overall appeal of Craig. When Craig leaves, it's going to be a sad day for legions of people.

    Don't take my word as gospel because I WASN'T THERE. It's just the impression I've formed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Tough tough choice for me, but I am going with The Spy Who Loved Me, Casino Royal is sco close, though.
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    CR
  • AussieBondAussieBond
    Posts: 185
    casino royale
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I agree with Bane. When Dalton left, nobody gave a damn apart from die hard Dalton loyalists. Everyone else wanted Brosnan anyway. However, Dalton doesn't have the pull, impact and overall appeal of Craig. When Craig leaves, it's going to be a sad day for legions of people.

    Don't take my word as gospel because I WASN'T THERE. It's just the impression I've formed.

    I'll grant you that Dalts didn't seem to take the US by storm but I always got the impression he was reasonably well liked in the UK. But would many people have cared if Rog had left after TMWTGG? Just a thought.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    Real tough one but will have to go for Casino Royale.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    Although Spy was not the first Bond film I saw in the cinema, it was the first in a real cinema with a huge screen (The Drake, Plymouth), and I managed to see it three times in the summer of 77, it is a special Bond to me, but Casino Royale has to get it this round for being all-round brilliant, proving the naysayers and critics wrong and being the best Bond in years!
  • chuck007chuck007
    Posts: 172
    Casino Royale
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Wow, I thought this would be a much more even match.

    Anyway, CR is a good Bond film, but it didn't need to be a reboot/origin story and I don't like some of the Bond/Vesper dialouge. TSWLM is just a classic. Moore on top form, Jaws when he was actually threatening, great sets, great villian, etc.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,356
    Casino Royale! I like this film as opposed to The Spy Who Loved Me, which I really don't care for.
  • EiragornEiragorn Hessia
    Posts: 108
    Well, the best 70s against the best 00s Bond movie. But in fact I prefer CR because of the better (=IF-like) Bond and a better craftsmanship at work, especially regarding characters and drama. There's only one thing better in Spy and I always felt the Craig movies lack a distinct Bond element: The exotic locations. It - in fact - does not matter where QoS and CR play because the viewer never gets the feeling what those certain locations makes them stand out.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Eva Green beats Barbara Bach by like 1000% (although I think BB gets a slightly unfair wrap on here).
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