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Are we watching the same film?
Actually, I'd agree that the opening hovercraft chase is a good set piece, but the climactic battle between Bond and Graves - or Bond fighting a purple-electricity shooting RoboCop on a CG plane - is woeful. I guess it's because it's a man of almost 50 and a guy in restrictive body armour. Inexusably poor though. You could easily believe that Brosnan and Toby Stephens were sitting in arm chairs while they filmed it.
What is it with Brosnan and lame climactic fight scenes? In GoldenEye, he had one of the best ever with Sean Bean. Yet TWINE and DAD offer incredibly weak, amateurish final fights.
Corrected your sentiment brother. ;)
Indeed worthy of a fifth movie that would have given him the well deserved send-off and a swansong that stayed away since GE, even if the first part of DAD did look promesing. :D
He ruled in his time, bro. His first three were solid entertainment, and better than any Moore film, and most Connery ones.
PPK's at dawn, I take it?
8->
The one thing that I think about now before sleep takes me, is that for all of Brosnan's movies as Bond, there was a definite lack of substantial characters. Maybe I was concentrating too much on the poorer releases, but especially towards the adversaries and villains, they were mostly poor and mundane. Elliot Carver, Gustav Graves, even Renard and Zao into that. Although to be fair the others such as Trevelyan, Stamper, Elektra and Onatopp maybe, actually did work for the most part
But Brosnan will never again enter into the top three of James Bonds for me. Would of been before Craig came in, but since the new Bond, Brosnan is down at #4 now for overall fine Bondness, and even then is in competition with Moore for that placing all said, but I think it may be too close to call but I'll give the Irishman his fourth place on this night
#1 Timothy Dalton
#2 Sean Connery
#3 Daniel Craig
#4 Pierce Brosnan
#5 Roger Moore
#6 George Lazenby
No one seems to make the connection between a weak lead actor and a dodgy supporting cast. It's as if the unfolding catastrophe that was the Brosnan era never had anything to do with him.
Doesn't the poor casting and lacklustre performances that surround Pierce in every film say everything we need to know? He was an actor out of his depth who never got a proper grasp of the role. The consequences were ever diminishing returns and a series of films that feel progressively less and less convincing.
That said, IMO TND is far and away Brozza's best outing.
I don't think the acting and characterisation were a priority in the Brosnan era just like they weren't in the Lewis Gilbert era. It was all spectacle and dumb oneliners. They tried it abit in TWINE and it was a big fat splodge. With Tim and Dan you had to make the supporting cast first class because their characterisation demanded it.
Mind you, Sophie Marceau tried her best with very erratic characterisation.
What about Telisa Soto? A rather inexperienced actress in a more demanding role. I don't think she was cast because of her acting talent but more because she was young, beautiful and exotic.
There's a couple of other moments of hers that feel a bit jarring to me
"You should go straight out of here, go to the airport and never come back"
"James listen to me...there's guards all over the place you'll never make it"
You say Talisa Soto....
I give you back..
Denise Richards...
and..
AND..
Halle Berry
I'm the only one who hates it, right? *walks away in tears* :((
I think there are plenty of people who don't like it, personally I just like it, it's a straight forward film, Bond hasn't become a wet blanket like in TWINE and DAD and there isn't too much M etc or much personal/trust issues other than Teri Hatcher's brief appearance.
Yep, I'm not arguing with that. My point was that the casting decisions in Dalton's films werent always "first class" either. That said Soto probably is a step (or several?) above those two.
So far the cast in Craig's films has been top notch.
You're too easily amused.
However, I am working my way through my Bondathon, and while GoldenEye has always been my #1, Tomorrow Never Dies has actually gone up many spaces!
Maybe I'm remembering these movies to be worse than they are; time will tell. I'll be watching TWINE & DAD within weeks end :-SS
Well, "sound" of that post could've been a bit noicer, but Getafix has a point.
I know he has a point and he has said a few things I agree with. But his constant condescension and provocative tone leaves a lot to be desired.
Take Getafix's point about a weak lead man. On Her Majesty's Secret Service is rightly regarded as one of (if not the best) Bond film yet George Lazenby is hardly considered an Olivier.
Brosnan's last three films were blighted by what I call the '90's Malaise', no originality, strong characters or clear direction. None of which can be attributed to Pierce Brosnan.
For me Brosnan is Bondian to the 9th degree unfortunately his films are not.
But his Bondmovies are still seen by some as "how it was, is, and always should be". GE is not even that "special", but at least it's still watchable, and Sean Bean is a good villain, even more so because most others during PB's tenure simply...sucked.