Will the 50 year jubilee help pushing the boxoffice of 'SkyFall' to a gross 900 million worldwide?

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  • Most successful Bond film for sure, but I'm not sure about 900 million or a billion. We'll see but I think that might just be wishful thinking.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    I still can't understand why Bond can't " play with the big boys "? I am sure that Skyfall can be up competing with at least The Amazing Spider Man.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    That isn't that big though. I'm sure Skyfall can match the figure of $750 million with a near $200 million in the US and the expansion of foreign markets.
  • Posts: 1,548
    If the Americans pull their finger out for a change and go and see it beyond the $200 million range for a change then we'll be talking big bucks as Bond owns the European/Asian box markets.
  • MrBond wrote:
    I still can't understand why Bond can't " play with the big boys "? I am sure that Skyfall can be up competing with at least The Amazing Spider Man.

    Sure it can compete with films like that, I'm talking about billion dollar earners like Batman.

    SF will be a huge hit but I don't think it can compete money wise with films like that (Avengers, Batman, etc). I hope I'm wrong though.
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    The movie gets a release before the Twilight final movie and the Hobbit, the two movies that will be the big boys/girls when it comes to BO I wager. But it should do fairly well I hope.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    See, sometimes, BO results can't be helped due to external factors such as the obvious one being other movies competing for business. However, with the last twighlight movie coming out and the hobbit coming out later on in the year, I don't know if Bond can make a $900million but I have faith that SF will definitely make more money than the last 2 Bond flicks and that's still a great achievement. Now, what's really going to count is, the film's critical acclaim and it's already done that. SF is already being hailed as best Bond ever, movie of the year and blah blah blah. That is already more than half the battle won. Bond is in a good place.
  • Posts: 1,052
    It will make a lot of money, 500 -600 seems to be Bonds level at the moment, so possibly this one could push up to 700 with all the added hype and critical praise etc. Maybe the fact there have been so many Bond films hold back the appeal slightly?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    This is way too carefull predicting here dear fans. Have a look at the movies that I have listed down below. I consider them more or less equal franchise-wise, genre-wise. Considering all the buzz, the 50th anniversary mania, the impleccable reviews, the four year break between QOS and SF, and the current rate of inflation, I think the $900 K mark will be much easier to pass than many Bond fans think:

    You just have to look at how well the film will have to do in the foreign markets to reach the neeeded $700 million, to realise it just won't happen. That is for the really high end films. $550 would be quite something in itself, coupled with the $200 million from the US would make for a very impressive $750 million total - $150 million up on the last two films.[/quote]

    Mind if we compare some similar franchises and its box office successes. Because I also love the James Bond franchise from the perspective of my own job (marketing)?

    01) $1,076,999,996 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012)
    domestic (US) gross: $446,861,181 - 41.5%
    foreign (rest) gross: $630,800,000 - 58.5%

    02) $1,003,045,358 -- 'The Dark Knight' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%

    03) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010)
    domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%

    04) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%

    05) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%

    06) $594,239,066 -- 'Casino Royale' (2006)
    domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.1%
    foreign (rest) gross: $426,793,106 - 71.8%

    07) $586,090,727 -- 'Quantum Of Solace' (2008)
    domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%

    08) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible II' (2000)
    domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%

    09) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes II: A Game Of Shadows' (2011)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%

    10) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes I' (2009)
    domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%

    11) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005)
    domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%

    12) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007)
    domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%

    13) $431,971,116 -- 'Die Another Day' (2002)
    domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    14) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible III' (2006)
    15) $383,531,464 -- 'Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007)
    16) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman Begins' (2005)
    17) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010)
    18) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004)
    19) $287,239,968 -- 'Taken 2' (2012)
    20) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998)
    21) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx' (2002)
    22) $239,370,105 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012)
    23) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009)
    24) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002)
    25) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012)
    26) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010)
    27) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010)
    28) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997)
    29) $99,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007)
    30) $80,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011)
    31) $71,022,693 -- 'xXx: State Of The Union' (2005)
    32) $70,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998)
    33) $60,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011)
    34) $60,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009)
    35) $52,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010)
    36) $50,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002)
    37) $16,933,380 -- 'The Heir Apparent: Largo Winch' (2011)

    I think that everyone agrees the James Bond franchise has a weakness to overcome in the USA. The revived Batman franchise, other Nolan-films, the Mission Impossible-franchise, Indiana Jones and the Bourne-franchise have all been more popular in Hollywood-country. Even the new Sherlock Holmes-series is doing a better job in the US than James Bond.

    But do you really think the new Skyfall-production is only bigger than ever -biggest starcast and production team- because of quality purposes? I think that hasn't been discussed yet, but I am pretty certain EON Productions want to have a firmer grip in the USA again with its Bond franchise now Batman and Jason Bourne seem to be done.

    Christopher Nolan hasn't solely been the Broccoli's rolefigure for quality purposes, but also when it comes to the whole production size. Barbara and Michael want to cash big time on 'Skyfall'. And they also know the revived Batman-franchise is finished for the moment. James Bond has to be the sole replacement of that franchise film.

    I truly believe 'Skyfall' is setting an entirely new standard that hasn't been seen before in Bond history. Names like Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins, Dennis Gassner, Thomas Newman, Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, Judi Dench and off course Daniel Craig are names that even Cubby could not have dreamt off having in his Bond films (If he's watching from the high heavens upon us, he must be exstatic :-)). On the contrary, Cubby suffered on many occasions backlash from big stars and big names who simply thought Bond was too low-standard for them.

    Well, that has completely changed this time around. I firmly believe my above argument for 'Skyfall' will create the necessary buzz to push 'Skyfall's boxoffice in the US towards the $280,000,000. And not only this, but also the 50th anniversary, the Summer Olympics, Adele's big hit, made Britishness look cool again. The same with Bond.

    Bond was losing ground in the USA, inflation correction taken into account, ever since 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. Not this time around.

    Then the overseas boxoffice. Bond has always been much stronger there. And given the fact that Bond was away for four big years, I'm guessing a $620,000,000 net gross is not a strange unlogical prediction. Also not given the arguments I just made.

    And then we haven't talked about a new market: IMAX-nerds. IMAX performances of 'Skyfall' will raise the tickets sales even more.

    So a total of $900,000,000? I really could see it happen. Wanna make a bet with me Samuel001 ;-)??
    Tobester95 wrote:
    The marketing hasn't been as poor as you guys suggest. On average I see a Skyfall poster on the side of 1 in 5 buses. In the last week I've seen a TV spot at least every commercial break (I'm in the UK) including during big football matches etc.
    I think it could do $700, I don't remember this much hype among the public for a Bond film... well, ever.

    Then again, I'm only 17.

    Marketing isn't about posters only. That's such a misunderstanding. I have been in international marketing for quite some years now, and I know from experience that a big ad-machine (posters, commercials) can create backlash also. I think 'Skyfall' just faced the best marketing campaign ever since the 1960's. You know what that marketing campaign is?

    Free publicity. Thanks to the Summer Olympics, Adele's big hit song and off course the 50th anniversary celebrations. Also the names of the cast and crew on 'Skyfall' itself is marketing. I'm glad EON finally brought big names onboard, causing much more free publicity.

    By the way, this just came in from our own site:
    MI6 wrote:
    The new James Bond film "Skyfall" will be the widest release ever by Sony Pictures in the UK.

    They have confirmed that Daniel Craig's third outing as 007 will be showing in 587 cinemas in the UK, on more than 1,500 screens.

    That is quite a leap from the previous film, "Quantum of Solace" (2008), which opened across 1,150 screens in the UK & Ireland. Record-breaking "Casino Royale" (2006) was narrower still with just 988 screens on opening week.

    Additional IMAX screens and higher ticket prices for the premium screenings will also give "Skyfall" a great shot at breaking box-office records in the UK.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Hopefully with Bond tapping into new foreign markets and if America can take their finger out I don't see why SF can't break into the 800millon bracket but I do think 900million is pushing it.
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    The last TWILIGHT movie will follow closely on the heels of SKYFALL, so I don't know.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited October 2012 Posts: 13,355
    So here it is. With the 23rd James Bond film opening on Friday, it's time to keep track of how 007's latest adventure is doing at the Box Office.

    I'll keep track of the latest figures the best I can. Others did a great job of this for previous films but as they're not longer with us, I'm willing to step in.

    It won't just be me though, MI6 should run a series of articles by this topic's name "Skyfall at the Box Office" if past films are anything to go by and do a damn fine job of it too.

    First, some records Skyfall will be looking to smash this coming weekend:

    Quantum Of Solace made box office history on its opening day in the UK, taking a staggering £4.94m and making it the biggest Friday opening of all time. That's been beaten since but can Skyfall take it back again?

    The film also made box office history for a second time on the same weekend when it opened to an incredible £15.4million at the UK box office making it the biggest weekend opening of all time. Again, can Skyfall reclaim this title?

    Worldwide the latest Bond. could take $200 million in the US and as much as $550 million overseas as foreign markets have expanded greatly in the last four years. This would make for a sum of around $750 million, the biggest Bond yet by far and if inflation as of October 2012 is included (a list can be found below), this would make it the biggest Bond 1967's You Only Live Twice and earn it fifth place on the list.

    1. $1,037,291,060.32 - Thunderball
    2. $932,346,267.74 - Goldfinger
    3. $843,280,463.96 - Live And Let Die
    4. $773,204,227.54 - You Only Live Twice
    5. $707,967,950.50 - The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. $682,098,608.86 - Casino Royale
    7. $670,341,133.13 - Moonraker
    8. $662,795,358.02 - Diamonds Are Forever
    9. $629,928,504.77 - Quantum Of Solace
    10. $596,667,068.63 - From Russia With Love
    11. $555,648,360.42 - Die Another Day
    12. $534,777,984.42 - GoldenEye
    13. $517,040,163.49 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    14. $502,584,334.85 - The World Is Not Enough
    15. $497,181,376.24 - For Your Eyes Only
    16. $480,131,415.66 - Tomorrow Never Dies
    17. $458,120,146.04 - The Man With The Golden Gun
    18. $456,431,419.48 - Dr. No
    19. $435,630,647.59 - Octopussy
    20. $389,480,795.77 - The Living Daylights
    21. $339,368,258.36 - A View To A Kill
    22. $291,436,616.45 - Licence To Kill

    See you on Friday!
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    I think between 850 million and 1 billion.
  • I hope it does well so the next film will be a quality product too.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    craigrules wrote:
    I hope it does well so the next film will be a quality product too.

    If it's as great as they say, I wonder how they'll top it. But nothing is impossible I guess... With this being a grand scale film, I think they will downplay it a bit again.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I really keep thinking that the film is going to soar past our expectations and definitely be high up there with the top grossing Bond films. Everyone is excited: Bond has been absent from our lives for a few years, the reviews are astounding, and with such a great cast (and apparently theme song), I think word of mouth will hit and spread like wildfire. I personally know my girlfriend and I will chip in close to $50+ to the box office, :)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    6 days!

  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,119
    DRush76 wrote:

    The last TWILIGHT movie will follow closely on the heels of SKYFALL, so I don't know.

    Could be, but both films have completely different audiences.

    For example, Christopher Nolan's 'Inception' opened on Froday July 16th 2010. Then only 1.5 week later the 3rd Twilight-film, 'Eclipse' opened on Wednesday July 30th.

    $698,491,347 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Twilight III: Eclipse'
    $825,532,764 - Total worldwide boxoffice gross for 'Inception'

    Audience-wise, both film didn't steal each others visitors. More or less independently they grossed the above amounts of money.

    Moreover, the fourth Twilight-film (premiere 18th of November 2011), 'Twilight IV: Breaking Dawn Part 1' didn't do substantially better than the 3rd Twilight-film: $705,058,657 wordlwide.

    Also, Twilight is a lucrative franchise, but it's no Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit. Twilight specifically aims for a young female audience, whereas Potter and LotR are more movies for allround family audiences.

    And 'Skyfall'? It's quite obvious the Bond producers are aiming at the Christopher Nolan fans, the audience that visited the last two Batman-films and Inception. And again, that audience is hugely different from the Twilight-audience.

    I think if 'The Hobbit' was premiering one week after 'Skyfall'......that would be more problematic.
  • Posts: 11,119
    We're already doing a big analysis on Skyfall's Box Office in this topic, including inflation corrections and comparisons with Bond-like franchises like Batman and Mission Imossible: http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/4018/will-the-50-year-jubilee-help-pushing-the-boxoffice-of-skyfall-to-a-gross-900-million-worldwide/p3#Item_74
  • Posts: 11,119
    So, I am pretty confident guys :-). 'Skyfall' WILL be big...box office-wise ;-).
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    Hobbit, Wreck-it-Ralph and Twilight will be the main competition.

    Twilight and WIR won't be much of an issue due to them having a different majority target audience then bond.
    Hobbit will be tough for even bond to crack, but with it opening stateside earlier then hobbit might play in its favor. However The Hobbit has history on its side as when the Two Towers opened against DAD, it received around double the gross of the Bond. However I think it's clear that this is a stronger bond film opening at a stronger time for Bonds.

    So this is going to be close, my guess is it will be WIR in 4th, Twilight 5 in 3rd, and I'm unsure what will be first, but as I said it will be close.

    That's just my two cents.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited October 2012 Posts: 4,399
    Virage wrote:
    Hobbit, Wreck-it-Ralph and Twilight will be the main competition.

    Twilight and WIR won't be much of an issue due to them having a different majority target audience then bond.
    Hobbit will be tough for even bond to crack, but with it opening stateside earlier then hobbit might play in its favor. However The Hobbit has history on its side as when the Two Towers opened against DAD, it received around double the gross of the Bond. However I think it's clear that this is a stronger bond film opening at a stronger time for Bonds.

    So this is going to be close, my guess is it will be WIR in 4th, Twilight 5 in 3rd, and I'm unsure what will be first, but as I said it will be close.

    That's just my two cents.

    I don't foresee The Hobbit being too big of an issue - it's opening a full month after Bond does here in the states... by that time, SF will have more than earned the majority of it's share at the box office..

    Wreck It Ralph opens up the week before Bond - so all the adults will get that out of the way with their kids before they see SF... i dont see another repeat of Happy Feet, which topped CR here in the states, because it opened against it..... no such worries here with Wreck It Ralph..

    Twilight presents the only concern, opening the week after SF - and we all know those young girls can't get enough of their sparkle puffs.... if Bond opens up strong - i don't forsee Twilight knocking it off easily... the last Twilight film opened up big with a $138 million mark - but it dropped off dramatically after that.. so if Twilight does indeed knock off Bond at the box office - it will probably be for only 1 week..

    Bond's always performed better overseas as well.... during the Brosnan run up through QOS, the films have all managed to be around that $140 - $175 million range for the US box office.. SF will easily hit around that same mark - perhaps even surpass it, if it can beat out QOS's water mark of a $70 million opening weekend..

    the release schedule is as follows for these 4 films...

    Wreck It Ralph - Nov. 2
    Skyfall - Nov. 9
    Twilight : Breaking Dawn Part II - Nov. 16
    The Hobbit : An Unexpected Journey - Dec. 14
  • HerrBondHerrBond Berlin
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    well, I think the main competition - in the US - will be either Obama or Romney.... ;)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    The Hobbit will, for some reason, earn a lot of money...
  • Time for a UK Opening Weekend prediction...

    Avengers Assemble - £15.8m
    The Dark Knight Rises - £14.5m
    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 - £17.5m
    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 - £23m

    Back in 2008, Quantum of Solace opened to £15.5m over its opening weekend (friday to sunday), a record at the time. Given that this year the two "biggest films" (Avengers and TDKR) took roughly the same, I'm going to predict Skyfall will make...

    £20m on its first weekend.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Can someone provide me with the weekend figures and premiere day figures of the last three Bond films?
  • Posts: 367
    Might take in £20 mill here in the first weekend but it won't top Kevin McClory's Thunderball.
  • Twilight wont stand a chance against Bond....they only make money because of the girls.....nothing more

    Bond should be among the highest BO for the year
  • Twilight wont stand a chance against Bond....they only make money because of the girls.....nothing more

    There are lots of girls in the world mate ;)

    But Twilight won't affect Bonds box office.
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