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Do I need to remind you that Arnold has been nominated for 25 different awards, including several BMI Film Music Awards?
Guess those guys over at BMI are "easily satisfied"!!!
Arrogant would be understating it somewhat. I'm not talking about Eon limiting themselves at all, I'm more than happy for Eon to pick someone else as long as they're up to the task, which Newman wasn't. Arnold has a lot of passion for what he does.
What's too bad is that he feels he's stating facts when actually he's just trying to force his opinion out there with little to no success, I feel sorry for him, but only a little.
However, it is his opinion and he is entitled to it unfortunately.
Do not feel sorry for me at all, I am very happy with the earlier Bond soundtracks, mostly pre-Arnold. I just find that when EON is trading up in writers and directors they do not do so with the composer. While I consider the Newman soundtrack a step forward into a more quality product it does leave somewhat to be desired when compared to the grand heritage of Bondmusic.
I would like it if they left DA in retirement and started looking for a quality composer, who can actually add something new to the franchise's quality especially the music.
And all those prices DA won have little to do with his skill of coming up with new material that is recognisable outside the movie theater. He did some re-arranging of the Barry music (drum and Bass and whatnot) but what is his great soundtrack that is recognisable based upon his own original ideas????? He has done some nice pieces on several of the albums but not really left his mark on the franchise at all. As a composer he should be happy to be away several movies perhaps he can come up with a new theme or whatnot. DA might have passion but it does not translate well into good compositions in the 007 franchise, a little is no longer enough if EON wants to vamp up the quality of its productions.
ANd I hope for next one we get a better effort of Newman or another composer.
And for all those prices, whatever. Everytime the oscars get mentioned most folks get upset with the taste shown there and disagree a lot. The same alpplies to most awards as I am always in awe how they can pick certain choices. When here is so much quality out there that much more deserves to be recognised.
Yeah, especially that opinions that disagree with his are an unfortunate entitlement. O:-)
As only 30 cd's are actually James Bond related in my soundtrack collection both on cd and album, I feel that there are plenty great composers out there that could actually add to the franchise. ANd more often than not I hear on other sites about different composers that are actually quite new to me.
And the prices won by DA are celebrated as a fact of his greatness. Really what does that say about the greatness of AVATAR & TITANIC??
If Newman or Adele wins an Oscar or whatever price are they than accepted as better than DA???
My personal opinion is that DA had his chance, did little with it. There are plenty of folks out there that have something to offer that is easily better. Newman tried and while I enjoy his soundtrack on cd it does come up short when compared with the golden musical period of the 007 franchise (which is not the DA period imho).
Lets have some new quality composer try and infuse some new strength into the franchises music.
Scoring Bond-movies is not for everyone. You have to have some sort of passion. Something that Newman, unlike fanboy Arnold, clearly lacked when scoring his Bond movie. For him it was just another job!
I think that's the deciding factor when it comes to Bond music.
I really think that saying Arnold is not a 'composer' is extremely unfair @SaintMark, that's all. Saying his Bond music isn't all that great is one thing, labelling him a hack is another.
Well imho he mucked up a Doctor WHo theme (the 8th Doctor to be exact BF audiobooks) so expect little sympathy from me. ;)
I like his Stargate SG1 music, not too sure about ID4, have his Young American ost-cd, find his shaken and stirred cd fairly good, like his SHerlock Holmes tv music (not sure he is all responsible for it).
He might be a fanboy, so was Benson (the writer). But that does not give them extra credit when it comes to work. They might get the job that way but still have to prove and improve.
And perhaps it is time for A++ lister, we had Barry, Bacharach, Conti who were in that category. I agree not all are best suited but some just might.
Haven't heard the Doctor Who theme he did but that's fair enough, if he mucked it up, he mucked it up. And being a Doctor Who fan myself I understand that you really can't muck the theme up, it's vital! ;)
ID4 is good, the bootleg release is pretty crappy in terms of mixing but last years 2CD release corrected it. Godzilla is also a damn fine score, mainly because there was heavy emphasis on orchestra and it was expertly arranged by Nicholas Dodd.
Yeah maybe, but I suppose isn't that what we went for with Newman? It only partially worked, some excellent parts and then some really dull ones.
@Zekidk I agree, I despised Conti's score for FYEO, completely undermined the tone of the film for me.
And here's the so-called A++ list composer:
Can I just say, I love the sound of that helicopter. Of all the helicopters in that movie. Random, I know, but it's just so good..
Music is wonderful too.
Yeah, the FYEO score is pretty poor, but still not nearly as bad as the TSWLM score which is a joke. The opening ski chase score in TSWLM is absolutely horrible (this from a big fan of 70's and 80's music) and is an insult to Barry's OHMSS theme, not to mention the ridiculous music during the "van in the desert" scene. Interestingly I somewhat did enjoy Conti's score for the ski chase in FYEO, especially from the ski jump forward. However, the music for the car chase scene you posted is pretty mediocre and isn't a good fit for a Bond film. Watching all the Bond Blu-Rays (I'm at AVTAK now) it was easy to pick out the non-Barry films.
Arnold was very Barry-esque in his scores, although not quite matching the clear king of Bond music. I especially like his take on the Bond theme for TWINE. From the comments on this forum the choice of Newman was clearly a mistake. Hopefully Arnold will be back for Bond 24.
Yeah it's pretty awesome. It's the actual sound of that particular helicopter--the Eurocopter Dauphin/Dolphin (my favorite). I live in the Maryland suburbs of DC and will see one once in a while, either a Coast Guard aircraft or a MD state police one (used for the state's unique medevac service). I like them way better than the typical drone of the news/private JetRanger helicopters and military Blackhawks which are also pretty common in the area.
I have to agree with maxcraig - Whilst there are only a few memorable cues from the Skyfall soundtrack, it really does blend in well with the visuals whereas Arnold's scores are more at the forefront.
I am hands down a David Arnold fan and I was literally gutted to hear that he wasn't going to be doing the score for Skyfall, but that said after I saw Skyfall I have to say I'm not sure a David Arnold score would have worked for this movie and the way it is visually and pacing wise- (though it still would be interesting to have an alternate David Arnold soundtrack to see what he would have done with it!)
In five films he has failed to offer anything distinctive.
What else ? will we have a thread "Bond misses Purvis and Wade" in a few weeks time ?
I agree - Conti is much better.
CR’s African Rundown & City of lovers as superb cues though.
I don’t expect anyone to come in a rival the greatness of Barry but why not use his template? Difficult if you’re not involved with the title sequence I suppose.
I’ve been listening to the Skyfall OST and enjoying a few tracks like “New Digs” and the harder version of it – “The Moors” but on the whole I’ve been quite bored of these rhythm-driven ambience “action scores” for a few years now.
I love Newman's score and don't want Arnold anywhere near a Bond film ever again!
never gonna happen!
Agree! Arnold ruined his music by overusing those ugly technodrums and of course missing one coherent soundtrack (Casino is the exception).
Arnold was dropped from Skyfall because Eon wanted Mendes and Mendes wanted Newman.
I liked that one.
Looking on youtube, I can't believe that the 8th Doctor has had 4 diifferent themes.