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  • craigrulescraigrules
    Posts: 284
    If you read a lot of comments outside this forum a lot of people are not that impressed it's king's new clothes syndrome.
  • OvidOvid
    Posts: 2
    I wonder why nobody (neither critics nor fans) realize that the main story is actually a pastiche of the end of Fleming´s YOLT novel + a mixture of the novel TMWTGG and the movie TMWTGG!
    Bond tries to kill M in the novel (after going through the obligatory tests while being "resurrected") and Severine is convinced that 007 will save her from Bardem´s campy Silva/Scaramanga (who´s gay in the novel) just like Maud Adams in the 1974 movie. Pity it just takes about 5 minutes, Ms Andreas needed a lot more...
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Ovid wrote:
    I wonder why nobody (neither critics nor fans) realize that the main story is actually a pastiche of the end of Fleming´s YOLT novel + a mixture of the novel TMWTGG and the movie TMWTGG!
    Bond tries to kill M in the novel (after going through the obligatory tests while being "resurrected") and Severine is convinced that 007 will save her from Bardem´s campy Silva/Scaramanga (who´s gay in the novel) just like Maud Adams in the 1974 movie. Pity it just takes about 5 minutes, Ms Andreas needed a lot more...

    We realized a long time ago (many, many months ago) that the story of Skyfall had influences from TMWTGG and YOLT novels, that doesn't make it a pastiche!
    craigrules wrote:
    If you read a lot of comments outside this forum a lot of people are not that impressed it's king's new clothes syndrome.

    We all know you didn't like it but I am yet to talk to one person (personally) who didn't say it was brilliant! It's all a matter of taste but Skyfall so far has been a big hit with both critics and public.
  • craigrulescraigrules
    Posts: 284
    I Know a lot of people lifelong fans like me who did not like it but respect to those that do.
  • OvidOvid
    Posts: 2
    Can you pls send me links to discussions about TMWTGG and YOLT?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    Saw it yesterday evening for the first time in a sold-out cinema, which runs the film 8 times a day..
    I think it's a fantastic film. The action is nerve wracking, Bardem's Silva is scaring as hell. First you think he's just insane, but then it turns out he's planned it all along. I think the level of humour is just right, and fits Craig perfectly. For me, it's got a TB vibe, and TB is still my all time fav. The way they brought back Moneypenny was fantastic. The old office, even the hat stand was there the padded door..
  • BondBond
    Posts: 503
    I just watched it, and I don't think I can place it above CR quite yet... though it has the potential to rise above it with further viewings and enough time to let it sink in.

    Currently:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. Skyfall
    3. Quantum of Solace
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I'd rather these movies be excellent movies first with being good Bond movies second.

    Bond movies are formulaic and creatively reigned in. The Brosnan movies were mostly great Bond movies but generally speaking as movies, they were mostly substandard and mediocre at best.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    Cant believe anyone doesn't like Skyfall as per some earlier comments. Must be trolls!
  • MuddywMuddyw
    Posts: 198
    cooperman2 wrote:
    I have to agree with many comments here. The individual elements may be in place but it just doesnt feel like a proper Bond film. It's what you get if you let an arty farty director do a Bond movie. That, however, is exactly what the current producers wanted i think. Brocolli and Wilson seem far more interested in impressing critics then they do their audiences. Well critics dont pay their wages we the fans do every time we pay our hard earned cash at the box office. Skyfall has had a great opening week but lets see how much that falls off in its second week. Most of the people i hard talking leaving the screening i attended werent overly impressed. Much to like in this film but also many things wrong with it. Hand on heart i hate the direction Brocolli and Wilson are taking with the series and i fear for the future of my beloved franchise. Casino Royale still rocks it for me. Martin Campbell just seems to get what makes Bond work. I would love to see the next one done by a proper action movie director who understands action as well as character not some over praised art house director

    The action in Skyfall is fantastic! I didn't miss a thing for the actionscenes. Most important, you can actually follow the action. This film is not just about the action... And that, in my opinion, is refreshing! Skyfall equals Casino and maybe even top it!
  • MuddywMuddyw
    Posts: 198
    That means we now have 2 directors who can make a true Bond flick: Campbell and Mendes.
  • craigrulescraigrules
    edited November 2012 Posts: 284
    why does someone have to be a troll for not liking a film, it only seems 5 minutes ago i was put down for being a craig fan.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    Best of the 3.
    Skyfall > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace

    But not top 10 Bond. [-X
  • chrisMchrisM
    Posts: 59
    Certainly Craig's finest hour yet as Bond, but only by a small margin does it overshadow CR, like the scenes in Scotland with Judi Dench and Albert Finney and the sting in the tail - like the new office M gets at the end shades of Bernard Lee
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Best of the 3.
    Skyfall > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace

    But not top 10 Bond. [-X

    Top 20 Bond?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    Samuel001 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Best of the 3.
    Skyfall > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace

    But not top 10 Bond. [-X

    Top 20 Bond?

    Possibly top 15, i'll need to see it again to be sure. But even a 2nd viewing is no guarantee. I had seen CR & QOS a handful of time each, before they slipped down my ranking.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Best of the 3.
    Skyfall > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace

    But not top 10 Bond. [-X

    Top 20 Bond?

    Possibly top 15, i'll need to see it again to be sure. But even a 2nd viewing is no guarantee. I had seen CR & QOS a handful of time each, before they slipped down my ranking.

    I'll hope for best for you. Top 15 is better than nothing. As you know, the last two didn't set my world on fire but I'd like think Skyfall is top 10 material. It really was good, I found. I loved it.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,978
    Samuel001 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Best of the 3.
    Skyfall > Casino Royale > Quantum Of Solace

    But not top 10 Bond. [-X

    Top 20 Bond?

    Possibly top 15, i'll need to see it again to be sure. But even a 2nd viewing is no guarantee. I had seen CR & QOS a handful of time each, before they slipped down my ranking.

    I'll hope for best for you. Top 15 is better than nothing. As you know, the last two didn't set my world on fire but I'd like think Skyfall is top 10 material. It really was good, I found. I loved it.

    I say possibly because I have not yet made a new post-SF ranking. It wouldn't make my top tier which currently consists of TLD, LTK, FRWL, OHMSS, DN, FYEO, YOLT & TND.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    I haven't ranked it either, far too early. I'm sure I'll get round to it some time next year.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    I will rank it as soon as I have digested the movie, but it is easily Craigs best movie so far.
  • MuddywMuddyw
    edited November 2012 Posts: 198
    I think it is difficult to compare the movie with the old ones. I think every era Bondactor and movies have it's charmes and qualities. But I must say the Craig era is way better than the three movies after GoldenEye. I think if the makers made a more serious Bond with Brosnan, like GoldenEye and the spyfilm The Fourth Protocol.... It would've suited Brosnan better.

    Personally, the Craig era is a brilliant era. Back to the early thrillers and the Dalton Bond extended.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Muddyw wrote:
    I think it is difficult to compare the movie with the old ones. I think every era Bondactor and movies have it's charmes and qualities. But I must say the Craig era is way better than the three movies after GoldenEye. I think if the makers made a more serious Bond with Brosnan, like GoldenEye and the spyfilm The Fourth Protocol.... It would've suit Brosnan better.

    Well QoB imho does pull the average downwards pretty severly.

  • MuddywMuddyw
    Posts: 198
    SaintMark wrote:
    Muddyw wrote:
    I think it is difficult to compare the movie with the old ones. I think every era Bondactor and movies have it's charmes and qualities. But I must say the Craig era is way better than the three movies after GoldenEye. I think if the makers made a more serious Bond with Brosnan, like GoldenEye and the spyfilm The Fourth Protocol.... It would've suit Brosnan better.

    Well QoB imho does pull the average downwards pretty severly.

    To a degree yes, cause of the writers strike and shaky action cameras, but for the rest it is visually a stunning movie, incl Craig's take on Bond.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Muddyw wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    Muddyw wrote:
    I think it is difficult to compare the movie with the old ones. I think every era Bondactor and movies have it's charmes and qualities. But I must say the Craig era is way better than the three movies after GoldenEye. I think if the makers made a more serious Bond with Brosnan, like GoldenEye and the spyfilm The Fourth Protocol.... It would've suit Brosnan better.

    Well QoB imho does pull the average downwards pretty severly.

    To a degree yes, cause of the writers strike and shaky action cameras, but for the rest it is visually a stunning movie, incl Craig's take on Bond.

    It does have its moments but not enough to disguise a poor effort that is more a Bourne movie than a Bondmovie. And then I rate the Bourne movies higher than this movie. QoB is neither here or there imho
  • thunderballisnumber1thunderballisnumber1
    Posts: 15
    At the moment:
    1) Thunderball, 2) From Russia With Love, 3) Casino Royale, 4) Skyfall, 5) Goldfinger,
    6) The Living Daylights, 7) OHMSS, 8) Octopussy, 9) Dr. No, 10) Goldeneye.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Definetly Craigs best.
  • jamestheedge14jamestheedge14
    Posts: 13
    After my second viewing of Skyfall today I have ranked it number 5, and by god does it get better on the second viewing, so eager to see it again too! :P
    Top Bond list as follows...

    1 From Russia with love
    2 Casino Royale
    3 The spy who loved me
    4 The living daylights
    5 Skyfall
    6 On her Majestys secret service
    7 Licence to kill
    8 Dr No
    9 Goldfinger
    10 For your eyes only
    11 Thunderball
    12 Octopussy
    13 Tomorrow never dies
    14 Goldeneye
    15 Live and let die
    16 The man with the golden gun
    17 Moonraker
    18 You only live twice
    19 A view to a kill
    20 Quantum of solace
    21 Diamonds are forever
    22 The world is not enough
    23 Die another day
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
    Posts: 380
    Second viewing of Skyfall the weekend and have to say improves massively on repeated viewing. Went with my stepson who was seeing it for the first time and he was distinctly underwelmed with it, so i guess it's a movie you have to see twice to get it. The good: Craig. Bardem, Fiennes, good clear action (wobble cam and flash cut editing gone thank god) and a good sense of humour. The bad: weak story for the villian, Severine great but wasted, average score more Bourne than Bond.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    I've also ranked it 5th

    1) LTK
    2) TLD
    3) GE
    4) TSWLM
    5) SF
  • jamestheedge14jamestheedge14
    Posts: 13
    Great minds ^ ;)
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