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For me, there are parts of it that I really like, and parts of it that I really didn't like. I understand however why some say it didn't "feel" like a Bond movie. Maybe because he didn't came out on top (he always wins, right?), maybe because of the melodrama-part, maybe because of Bond himself.
Maybe these two IMDB-users address the point:
"Gone is the suave, sophisticated, knowledgeable, utterly committed agent we are used to, now we have a stroppy, confused man moping about getting drunk instead of reporting for duty; who about a quarter way through the film remembers where he left his razor and even gets himself together enough to shave; who, after being felt-up by a homosexual villain, alludes to previous homosexual experiences he might have had; and who hatches a really stupid plan to use M as bait by taking her to a completely isolated manor house with hardly any firepower available, whilst inviting the baddies to come and get them, which they do with more men and more firepower than Bond thought to bring along; not surprisingly Bond's daft 'plan' to get the villain results in Bond getting his boss killed."
"Disastrously, the people in charge of this franchise have decided that bond must no longer be a spy, that old rules no longer apply and therefore, effectively, writers have carte blanche to write what they want. But in Hollywood good screenwriters are as rare as gold in a desert. Most can't think for themselves. Only what they adapt from books or short story's stands out in the crowd. Hence the reason why Casino Royal is as good as it is. It's a tale that oozes literary birth. It's not original writing, it already existed.
Skyfall is the horrible product of uninspired screenwriters. Screenwriters that, without a Fleming book as their guide, were devoid of inspiration and, worse, dedication to a legend. Clearly, they were lost in a mental desert. No ideas to be found there. Maybe this is why Bond was lost in the highlands without any decent idea how to save M. It simply reflects the writers' state of mind."
You are both ignoring what people are actually saying and patronising the rest of us as supposed Xbox playing numpties who think GE is the best in Bond. You don't think people who apprecite FRWL, OHMSS, LTK and QoS are ready for a diffetent type of Bond film? ActonSteve it would be nice if you got off your high horse and actually engaged with the. The maasive breadth of criticism that is now emerging on here.
My view is that I want all the same stuff you are talking about but that SF just did not deliver. It is really not very good
Le Chiffre got a bit more screentime ditto the next one, cos we see them up to stuff going about their business without Bond, plotting. We get a more well rounded idea of them. We don't get that here so imo Silva is a bit one dimensional. No henchman either, is this a first in the Bond series?
- GE is my favourite Bond film.
- IMO SF does deliver the goods. IYO it doesn't. I fail to see why we need to make such a fuss over it. I was only trying to stear things back on track.
It acutally became a little bit silly such was Bond's brilliance on just about any and every topic.
Craig's Bond is a snappy dresser and enjoys his creature comforts (eg he refuses Fields' choice of hotels), he is as adept on a motrocycle as he is piloting a plane (as all Bonds have proved) but so far hasn't shown himself to be a font of wisdom in all things. (witness Bond's showing off about sherry vintages in DAF). I'm sure that will come.
In SF Bond loses his mojo for sure, doing his own thing, ignoring orders, but I seem to recall he did something similar in LTK.
Bond in SF has been criticised for showing little emotion when Severine died. Well, back in FRWL when Kerim died he was barely able to offer any kind of sympathy to Kerim's son, instead demanding his help in escaping.
In YOLT he showed little concern when Aki died. And there are other examples.
So, yes I agree there are times when it feels like it isn't a traditional Bond film, but that is maybe because of one very good reason.
In the last act of the film there is no Bond girl. Well there is, and it is M. That is where tradition has been broken. A girl in peril is always around, but this time she is 72 years old. That is why the end of SF seemed a little out of step with tradition.
- James Bond
- A crazy dude who wants to do something evul
- M (both female AND male!)
- Q
- Moneypenny
- Aston Martin
- Some gadgets
- Some big action scenes
- Some humor
- Exotic locations
- The gunbarrel (albeit at the end)
- a PTS
- a title sequence with a specially composed song
- Chicks
- The old office
I've seen a different film I guess.
Its really just very few people - thankfully - but it heats the discussion. ;)
I am relaxed about it now. There are always people, who complain - some, because they really feel that way and some to stir trouble and get attention. There is nothing new to it and I doubt, there is a film on this planet, who didn't have this fate.
It's my favourite of Craig's three, that's for sure. Better paced then CR, meatier than QOS. For a long film SF keeps the momentum going admirably.
Not aiming at you, mate ;)
I'm pretty sure you understand what I'm saying. :)>-
This is what I liked best about it. Even with a lot of dialogue, it never lets down.
Yes, I understood :D
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/weekendwarriornews.php?id=96682
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3556&p=.htm
Probably additional bucks would be needed for bodyguards for Berenice. You guys would tear her apart. :))
Edited by NicNac, for content
Flag me and get me banned then.
I wondered about this as well, but calling him Miles Messervy would immediately have revealed the ending to fans who've read the books (even if the other characters only addressed him as Miles, which wouldn't really be appropriate given his rank).
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All the talk of a great villan ultimatley came to nothing and the plot itself didn't really grab me, I didn't really get a great sense of excitment from the action scenes and found the finale a tad disappointing, enjoyed the introduction to new M etc though.
Of course there has been an implied timeline in the films. FRWL refers back to Dr No, and Bond ages chronologically throughout, with the films getting bigger as Bond becomes more experienced. Or I guess it's just implied for a lot of it. FYEO harks back to OHMSS and there are other minor references, admittedly blown apart by GE.
its because the film at times sets out to be taken seriously, though the tone is uneven admittedly at times. the way the film is viewed by its audience is often down to what the film maker asks of its audience. sam mendes is asking more questions than most bond films tend to do with deeper characterization, silva being the mirror image of bond. silva being estranged from his mother m, bond being loyal son of m who returns after sulking because his mum tried to kill him etc. there are some interesting themes in this movie.
when i watch a bond movie do i want to watch a deeper film or do i just want a good exciting action adventure... i am still undecided. skyfall to me could be one of the most significant films of the franchise either way.