Skyfall: Worth multiple viewings or not?

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  • Incisor wrote:
    Wow 5 times? On the 5th time did you finally remember to take a no doze?
    What were you trying to accomplish with this?

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,425
    I think he's trying to say that SF is a tad boring...
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 803
    Getafix wrote:
    I think he's trying to say that SF is a tad boring...
    You just keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at.

    Anyway, be better if he responded, don't you think? Anything else is just being cowardly. 'Course potentially trying to denigrate someone else for enjoying something that he didn't isn't a great characteristic, either, I think.

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 22
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say
  • Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek

    Sure it was. Sorry you didn't enjoy it; just a shame you can't accept others did without having to pop off as you did.

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 22
    If I did 'pop off' you'd have smelt it
  • How clever. (:|
  • Its ok to smile Jimmy, dont worry be happy!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited December 2012 Posts: 15,169
    I must say, I saw it on opening day here in Oz, and then last friday with some work mates. And enjoyed it just as much, if not more the second time around.
    The second time, you pick up on some of those lines you may have missed, or weren't quite sure what they were.
    And more of the character nuances that the actors have.
    For example, I love the little wink that Javier Bardem (Silva) gives to Bernice Marlohe (Severine) when he places the glass on her head, and walks back toward Bond.
    It's moments like this, that I love. And on the second viewing, I think it's possible to pick more of them up.
    I think Skyfall has a very good multiple viewing factor, and would say the massive box office is proof of that.
    I'm looking forward to my next viewing. Taking the wife and her best friend in the next week or two.
  • Incisor wrote:
    Its ok to smile Jimmy, dont worry be happy!
    Sure -- cause you've clearly got such a fine read on me.

  • Benny wrote:
    I must say, I saw it on opening day here in Oz, and then last friday with some work mates. And enjoyed it just as much, if not more the second time around.
    The second time, you pick up on some of those lines you may have missed, or weren't quite sure what they were.
    And more of the character nuances that the actors have.
    For example, I love the little wink that Javier Bardem (Silva) gives to Bernice Marlohe (Severine) when he places the glass on her head, and walks back toward Bond.
    It's moments like this, that I love. And on the second viewing, I think it's possible to pick more of them up.
    I think Skyfall has a very good multiple viewing factor, and would say the massive box office is proof of that.
    I'm looking forward to my next viewing. Taking the wife and her best friend in the next week or two.
    Agreed. This is a film that, for me, has gotten better with each viewing -- and that doesn't normally happen for me.

  • Posts: 774
    First time I saw it I was blown away by the cinematography, second time the acting, third time the soundtrack really grew on me. Wondering what will stand out to me next time I go and see it.
  • Posts: 1,107
    I saw it six time in four cinemas perfect movie truly has gotten better with each viewing
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited December 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say

    I think you need to head over to Michael Bay's forums, not MI6's, mate.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 3,278
    I have watched it five times. The first left me very dissapointed, but usually the Bond-movies get better after multiple viewings. Didn't happen here though. Quite the contrary. Maybe in a few years I will appreciate it.
    the craig bond movies are known for being REALISTIC
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?
  • Posts: 11,425
    Zekidk wrote:
    I have watched it five times. The first left me very dissapointed, but usually the Bond-movies get better after multiple viewings. Didn't happen here though. Quite the contrary. Maybe in a few years I will appreciate it.
    the craig bond movies are known for being REALISTIC
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?

    Don't forget the man-eating lizards!
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,425
    Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say

    I think you need to head over to Michael Bay's forums, not MI6's, mate.

    You seem to be missing the general thrust of the criticism of SF, which is not that it didn't have enough death-spewing lasers or man-eating lizards, but that it has an implausible and weak story and overly long and badly generic action scenes.

    I have to remind you that this supposedly classic plot was dreamed up by the same muppets that gave us TWINE and DAD. Now, most of what I've been reading on this site for the past year has cast Purvis and Wade as utterly useless (who am I to argue). And yet those who were calling for their instant dismisal now expect everyone to believe that they've magically transformed overnight into Oscar-worthy screenwriters.

    I'm afraid it's just not true. At the heart of this film is a very, very weak story and script (with some good isolated scenes). Worthy, some might say, of a Michael Bay movie.

    Any way, this argument will go on for years. Once the dust settles though I think SF will be a sinker in terms of popularity. DAD was a big hit with the kids when it came out but is now widely derided, along with most of the Brosnan films (the previous 'as good as Connery' candidate).

    Any one who imagines that future Bond fans will be returning to this film with as much enthusiasm as they rewatch early Connery or the best of Lazenby, Moore and Dalton is sadly deluded. CR and QoS are far superior to this film.
  • Zekidk wrote:
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?
    It's actually not inconceivable.

  • Getafix wrote:
    Don't forget the man-eating lizards!

    Well, they are pretty nasty sometimes: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/10/13/komodo-dragon-bites-elderly-woman-rinca-island.html

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Zekidk wrote:
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?
    It's actually not inconceivable.

    [url]<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>[/url]

    Here's one example, I've heard more.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,425
    According to Wikipedia, the Varda viaduct is 98m high...

    The beauty of the old films was that because they didn't use CGI you never had these conversations. A man jumps off a mountain and parachutes to safety? Absurd? No - we know it's true because they did if for real.

    The awful jump after the plane started all this in GE and now we've reached the stage where the stunts - which used to be a highlight of the films - are their achilles heal. It's a real shame but that's what Babs has done to EON.
  • I've seen it twice now, and just maybe that will be enough, but a third watch is still pending and not out of the question. I'm not one for going to see any Bond release about five or six times, regardless of how good it may be. Twice or three at most, would seem sufficient
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Getafix wrote:
    Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say

    I think you need to head over to Michael Bay's forums, not MI6's, mate.

    You seem to be missing the general thrust of the criticism of SF, which is not that it didn't have enough death-spewing lasers or man-eating lizards, but that it has an implausible and weak story and overly long and badly generic action scenes.

    I have to remind you that this supposedly classic plot was dreamed up by the same muppets that gave us TWINE and DAD. Now, most of what I've been reading on this site for the past year has cast Purvis and Wade as utterly useless (who am I to argue). And yet those who were calling for their instant dismisal now expect everyone to believe that they've magically transformed overnight into Oscar-worthy screenwriters.

    I'm afraid it's just not true. At the heart of this film is a very, very weak story and script (with some good isolated scenes). Worthy, some might say, of a Michael Bay movie.

    Any way, this argument will go on for years. Once the dust settles though I think SF will be a sinker in terms of popularity. DAD was a big hit with the kids when it came out but is now widely derided, along with most of the Brosnan films (the previous 'as good as Connery' candidate).

    Any one who imagines that future Bond fans will be returning to this film with as much enthusiasm as they rewatch early Connery or the best of Lazenby, Moore and Dalton is sadly deluded. CR and QoS are far superior to this film.

    Michael Bay's films have no intelligence or characterization. THEY ARE JOKES. Skyfall has all that and more. You can be as pouty about the film as you want, but comparing it to an effort made by that misogynistic pig that any five year old with a camcorder could top is inconceivable.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Sandy wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?
    It's actually not inconceivable.

    [url]<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>[/url]

    Here's one example, I've heard more.

    I assume she'd just been shot as well?
  • Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote:
    Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say

    I think you need to head over to Michael Bay's forums, not MI6's, mate.

    You seem to be missing the general thrust of the criticism of SF, which is not that it didn't have enough death-spewing lasers or man-eating lizards, but that it has an implausible and weak story and overly long and badly generic action scenes.

    I have to remind you that this supposedly classic plot was dreamed up by the same muppets that gave us TWINE and DAD. Now, most of what I've been reading on this site for the past year has cast Purvis and Wade as utterly useless (who am I to argue). And yet those who were calling for their instant dismisal now expect everyone to believe that they've magically transformed overnight into Oscar-worthy screenwriters.

    I'm afraid it's just not true. At the heart of this film is a very, very weak story and script (with some good isolated scenes). Worthy, some might say, of a Michael Bay movie.

    Any way, this argument will go on for years. Once the dust settles though I think SF will be a sinker in terms of popularity. DAD was a big hit with the kids when it came out but is now widely derided, along with most of the Brosnan films (the previous 'as good as Connery' candidate).

    Any one who imagines that future Bond fans will be returning to this film with as much enthusiasm as they rewatch early Connery or the best of Lazenby, Moore and Dalton is sadly deluded. CR and QoS are far superior to this film.

    Michael Bay's films have no intelligence or characterization. THEY ARE JOKES. Skyfall has all that and more. You can be as pouty about the film as you want, but comparing it to an effort made by that misogynistic pig that any five year old with a camcorder could top is inconceivable.

    Do I detect an inability to take your own medicine?

    If you don't want people comparing your prescious Skyfall to a Michael Bay flick then you might avoid denigrating other posters with this lazy and over-used tactic of implying that someone who disagrees with you must be a fan of mindless trash.

    I was massively disappointed with SF not because it didn't have enough action or machine guns, but because I thought it was a poorly conceived and dull piece of film-making masquerading as high-concept cinema.

  • edited December 2012 Posts: 22
    Getafix wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Incisor wrote:
    Getafix hit the nail on the head! Skyfall is a tad boring. Lighten up Jim, I'm not denigrating anyone, it was tongue in cheek. In answer to the O.P's question, once is definitely enough I am sad to say

    I think you need to head over to Michael Bay's forums, not MI6's, mate.

    You seem to be missing the general thrust of the criticism of SF, which is not that it didn't have enough death-spewing lasers or man-eating lizards, but that it has an implausible and weak story and overly long and badly generic action scenes.

    I have to remind you that this supposedly classic plot was dreamed up by the same muppets that gave us TWINE and DAD. Now, most of what I've been reading on this site for the past year has cast Purvis and Wade as utterly useless (who am I to argue). And yet those who were calling for their instant dismisal now expect everyone to believe that they've magically transformed overnight into Oscar-worthy screenwriters.

    I'm afraid it's just not true. At the heart of this film is a very, very weak story and script (with some good isolated scenes). Worthy, some might say, of a Michael Bay movie.

    Any way, this argument will go on for years. Once the dust settles though I think SF will be a sinker in terms of popularity. DAD was a big hit with the kids when it came out but is now widely derided, along with most of the Brosnan films (the previous 'as good as Connery' candidate).

    Any one who imagines that future Bond fans will be returning to this film with as much enthusiasm as they rewatch early Connery or the best of Lazenby, Moore and Dalton is sadly deluded. CR and QoS are far superior to this film.

    Michael Bay's films have no intelligence or characterization. THEY ARE JOKES. Skyfall has all that and more. You can be as pouty about the film as you want, but comparing it to an effort made by that misogynistic pig that any five year old with a camcorder could top is inconceivable.

    Do I detect an inability to take your own medicine?

    If you don't want people comparing your prescious Skyfall to a Michael Bay flick then you might avoid denigrating other posters with this lazy and over-used tactic of implying that someone who disagrees with you must be a fan of mindless trash.

    I was massively disappointed with SF not because it didn't have enough action or machine guns, but because I thought it was a poorly conceived and dull piece of film-making masquerading as high-concept cinema.

    I love how hypocritical you guys are. When somebody disagrees with your opinion it must be wrong... or there's something wrong with the people disagreeing with you. Get off your high horse. Your opinion isnt worth anymore than mine or Getafix's. They are just that, opinions. And what is with all these references to Michael Bay? Who cares about Michael Bay he's got nothing to do with Skyfall. Just because I found Skyfall to be weak and boring I must be a Michael Bay fan? Now that's weak... thats just a lazy way to say "I'm right, you're wrong." I agree with Getafix. When the dust settles Skyfall won't be ranked as the best bond ever or even close to it.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    I have watched it five times. The first left me very dissapointed, but usually the Bond-movies get better after multiple viewings. Didn't happen here though. Quite the contrary. Maybe in a few years I will appreciate it.
    the craig bond movies are known for being REALISTIC
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?

    Don't forget the man-eating lizards!

    Well Bond does fight off a man eating squid in the Dr No book so I don't think the lizard fight is that ott by comparison.

    I suspect once the dust has settled SF will still be considered as one of the better films in the series?

    Why? Look at the acting and the heavyweight cast. No Halle Berry or Teri Hatcher in sight.

    Look at the photography. Surely that must elevate it somewhat too.

    Look at the theme song. Probably one of the best in the series.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Getafix wrote:
    I have to remind you that this supposedly classic plot was dreamed up by the same muppets that gave us TWINE and DAD. Now, most of what I've been reading on this site for the past year has cast Purvis and Wade as utterly useless (who am I to argue). And yet those who were calling for their instant dismisal now expect everyone to believe that they've magically transformed overnight into Oscar-worthy screenwriters.

    It's a fair point you make. Incidentally I haven't seen any of the posters who deem this the best Bond ever showering P+W with any praise. It seems to be Mendes getting most of the love, with a splash of Logan thrown in for good measure. Any films that I deem Oscar worthy usually have a whole heap of praise thrown in the direction of the screenwriter/s.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
    Posts: 523
    Why not, if you're a true fan of it ! Personally, I watch them once in cinemas then I'll just buy the DvD/Blu-Ray. "QoS" is my only one...missing. I'd rather not have it, except for my collection...

    I'll certainly buy "SKyfall" and watch it again and again (I bet 3 times, from now on...it may vary)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Getafix wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    Zekidk wrote:
    So surviving after falling 50 meters from a moving train after being shot is realistic?
    It's actually not inconceivable.

    [url]<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/mwOTDxgavvY?version=3&hl=pt_PT"; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>[/url]

    Here's one example, I've heard more.

    I assume she'd just been shot as well?

    Did Bond fall into a crocodile infested river? I was just giving an example.
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