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No more personal stories

Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
edited December 2012 in Bond 26 & Beyond Posts: 403
Sorry if this has been brought up before but I think it's time that the film go for the more familiar mission-is-the-priority plot of the early movies. More or less every film since LTK has had some kind of "personal" angle to it and it's goo ten quite tired, honestly. The ending of SF seems to indicate that it'll be business as usual, so we can only hope.
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  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    I don't see how TND had a personal angle to it. Other than that, I agree.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    ElliotCarver wrote:
    I don't see how TND had a personal angle to it. Other than that, I agree.

    Elliot Carvers Wife Paris had a personal connection to Brosnans Bond as being an ex lover who got too close for comfort
  • AliAli
    Posts: 319
    TND had the Paris Carver back story.
  • AliAli
    edited December 2012 Posts: 319
    Beat me to it
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    Eh, yeah. But Paris didn't mean anything for us. The other movies on the other hand, we actually got to know more about why Bond was emotionally connected. Paris appeared and died in the matter of 10-15 minutes. It would be different if she was a returning character. GE, TWINE, DAD, CR, QoS and Sky all managed to make the audience understand why Bond is attached to the stuff he is, and they build on that throughout the movie. Paris is just... not.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I was bummed out when Paris was killed :(
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    If they actually brought back a former character instead of inventing a new one, that would be different. Maybe Sylvia Trench.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    Now that P&W are gone we can hope to get some fresh ideas from Logan (and perhaps even input from Mendes and Craig)
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    I want a return of the megalomaniac villain trying to take over the world, with the finale taking place in some huge secret lair. Is that too much to ask for?!
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    No. I would like that minus "taking over the world". That has become old hat since Austin Powers. Besides, only two films in the series had that plot line. And Silva did have a secret lair and the film did end in a lair of sorts.
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    But Silva's lair was soooo underused. The final confrontation was in a lair of sorts, but it was more Bond's lair than anyone else's. If the movie ended on Silva's island in a big battle, I would have been content. I'm probably one of few people who thought the final act of Skyfall was the weakest.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Really? Shootout at enquiry, drive up to Skyfall in the DB5, shootout at Skyfall, Kincaide(!), last scene(!)
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    I mean, it wasn't bad, it just wasn't what I had expected. The visuals were of course astonishing all the way through, but the confrontation with Silva was just... weak.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I liked it. Kind of a throwback to Kristatos' death. And Craig finally got a main baddie kill!
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    Yeah, true. I liked the throwback. But I still expected some sort of brawl between Bond and Silva. I mean, he was a trained agent. He could fight. He never really showed that off.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I suppose. Lots of people expected Bardem to be like Chigurh and have some kind of beat down with Craig and were disappointed I guess. I still think he's the best villain of the Craig era, despite his admittedly limited screen time. And the filmmakers were probably more interested in showing Silva as intelligent and good with computers rather than fighting. Maybe they ran out of time?
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    Could be, yeah. But anyway, maybe it sounds like I'm being overly critical. The only negatives I have to say about Skyfall was the final act, other than that it was a brilliant movie. It's actually my third favorite Bond movie.

    And yeah, Silva is Craig's best villain, I'd even go so far as to say one of the best in the series.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    No, not all. Glad we agree!

    But yes, mission-based stories with the gun barrel at the start from here on in...
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    Most certainly. I used to think that I wasn't bothered about having the gun barrel at the end, but after rewatching most of the movies... It's kinda jarring. It needs to return to the front. But I want it altered as well, Craig walks way to fast in his barrel.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Ugh, I don't know why they can't just film one, definitive, good version of the walk and have one single design rather than do a new one for every film #-o
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    The next or both movies should be about taking down Quantum?!!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    RogueAgent wrote:
    The next or both movies should be about taking down Quantum?!!

    That's how quite a few of us feel, including myself. They introduced Quantum and carried it throughout two movies, so I really hope we see the head of Quantum in Bond 24 and see him/her taken down and Quantum destroyed in the 25th.
  • ElliotCarverElliotCarver
    Posts: 249
    I see it like this; Skyfall was Craig's version of Goldfinger. We had two movies building up Quantum, and then an adventure in between that has nothing to do with the evil organization. Then we'll have two more movies regarding Quantum, with the second being the destruction of them. Sounds plausible to me.
  • DobleCero7DobleCero7
    Posts: 23
    ElliotCarver wrote:
    I see it like this; Skyfall was Craig's version of Goldfinger. We had two movies building up Quantum, and then an adventure in between that has nothing to do with the evil organization. Then we'll have two more movies regarding Quantum, with the second being the destruction of them. Sounds plausible to me.

    Hmmm, and the 3rd one was also the magic Bond number for Moore and "The Spy Who Loved Me." Well, I guess that magic number cannot be applied to the rest.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 2012 Posts: 4,537
    With Diamonds are forever it also feels a bit personal. Bond 24 wil be Thunderball, Bond 25 Yolt/OHMSS and Bond 27 DAF. QOS earlier be altready FRWL and CR Dr No. Skyfall i agree Goldfinger but mabey also a bit Dr No/FRWL. I think there is change that someone we have seen in Skyfall mabey be a Quantum member.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    Creasy47 wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    The next or both movies should be about taking down Quantum?!!

    That's how quite a few of us feel, including myself. They introduced Quantum and carried it throughout two movies, so I really hope we see the head of Quantum in Bond 24 and see him/her taken down and Quantum destroyed in the 25th.

    This is certainly what i am hoping for? [-O<
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,026
    The new Bond has lost his love (CR), a good friend (QoS), and his boss (S); time now for lots of gratuitous sex and violence, a great car chase, a great casino scene, ski chase, mountain climbing, underwater scenes, an outrageous, larger than life villain with an equally outrageous sidekick, and a plot that threatens the entire world. Okay, so we've seen all of this before; but the best elements from past films can be freshened up--but no more motorcycles--perhaps because of QoS, the sequence in Skyfall felt old.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I think it's hilarious how a thread from 4 years ago is still relevant today. Whether Craig stays (I really hope he does) Mendes and the personal angst needs to go.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,229
    ElliotCarver wrote: »
    Eh, yeah. But Paris didn't mean anything for us. The other movies on the other hand, we actually got to know more about why Bond was emotionally connected. Paris appeared and died in the matter of 10-15 minutes. It would be different if she was a returning character. GE, TWINE, DAD, CR, QoS and Sky all managed to make the audience understand why Bond is attached to the stuff he is, and they build on that throughout the movie. Paris is just... not.

    My issue with Paris Carver: she simply does not deliver. They build up this woman who got Bond almost in love... And that's it. We don't know why she was different, what brought her to Carver, she just looked good, then she died and Bond just carried on. It was as if they invented this backstory they never developed so they could dispense away with a seduction scene.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,256
    If Craig stays, and I too hope he does, I guess Blofeld will return. I'd understand if they make at least one reference to the brother story, but other than that... please guys, no more personal business in a long time.
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