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What would you change about DAD?
Aziz_Fekkesh
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This may be a bit of a biased topic and I in no way want to create a Brosnan bashing thread, but I loathe DAD. Think it's the worst film in the series. The really sad part is that for the first hour it is actually really REALLY good. Then Jinx shows up. As essayed by Halle Berry, she is quite possibly the worst Bond girl ever. I would definitely recast her and maybe just cut the character all together. Have Bond work with Frost more before being double crossed and have to take her out himself. Hell, bring back Wai Lin as they originally planned to do.
Remove the Space Ray Satellite of Death (TM) completely and maybe make Moon some kind of scarred, novel Drax-type villain trying to overrun South Korea or something. Ice palace was ok, keep that. I even like Zao and the diamond face. NO F@#%&* INVISIBLE CAR OR MR. KIL!!!!!! Please!!!! Also remove the terrible gags and make this a revenge mission for Brosnan, as it's portrayed in early scenes in the film (I'm talking about the meeting with M, the Hong Kong hotel scenes, Cuba scenes sans Halle Berry)
Remove the Space Ray Satellite of Death (TM) completely and maybe make Moon some kind of scarred, novel Drax-type villain trying to overrun South Korea or something. Ice palace was ok, keep that. I even like Zao and the diamond face. NO F@#%&* INVISIBLE CAR OR MR. KIL!!!!!! Please!!!! Also remove the terrible gags and make this a revenge mission for Brosnan, as it's portrayed in early scenes in the film (I'm talking about the meeting with M, the Hong Kong hotel scenes, Cuba scenes sans Halle Berry)
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Recast Jinx or don't have her at all or make her the villainness.
Make Gustav Graves a different person than Colonel Moon.
Remove Icarus as a super weapon.
No Gene Therapy shlock. (Rick Yune looked awesome with the diamonds in his face before becoming a bald, bleached skin weirdo.)
Make Miranda Frost the main Bond girl. Make her sort of a rookie Agent who wants to be like Bond.
PTS - Nothing
TS - Maybe get a better singer, but honestly, I didn't mind it that much.
Prison scene - Nothing, except maybe show more cuts on Bond's body.
Bridge scene - More mist. For some reason I think that scene would have worked far better with more mist.
Check-up scene - Just as a "they'd probably do this in real life" thing, have them shave Bond. I'd think they'd check that for traps, honestly.
Bond escape scene - I'd add more scenes of Bond avoiding the guards.
Hotel scene - More shots of surprised/disgusted people as the soaking wet, disheveled Bond walks into the lobby.
Bedroom - I'd have the massage girl (I can't spell the word) actually be Wai Lin, as it was supposed to be in the original script.
Cuba opening - Nothing
Cuban Sleeper - I would have made the sleeper a little more Castro looking (and he looked enough like him to begin with).
Jinx intro - Recast Jinx. No disrespect to Halle Berry, because I loved her in the X-Men movies, but she was wrong as Jinx. Other than that, nothing. Maybe have her as Famke Janssen.
Cuban clinic - I'd add in a little more Scaramanga referencing, then an extended fight with Zhao.
Graves intro - Nothing.
Sword fight - Nothing.
Miranda intro - I'd add a little more of her antagonistic side toward Bond. In the film, it seems to me that she comes off as less of an ice queen after I saw the movie the first time, but she still never seems like an antagonist at any time.
Underground intro - Nothing. Maybe a few references to Bond's past.
VR scene - A little more action, but not a lot more.
Q lab - Just add more references.
Ice Palace intro - A longer shot introducing the building.
Scenes between Ice Palace intro and Bond/Graves interaction - Nothing.
Bond/Graves interaction - I'd turn it into a Mexican standoff.
Wind surfing scene - Make it faaaaaar more realistic. That CG sucked badly.
Car chase - Make it less of a gadget vs. gadget fight. The little back-and-forth there with the gadgets was kind of stupid and undermined both vehicles.
Jinx rescue - Nothing.
The North Korean coup - This is a scene I'd add. I wanted to see Graves and his people take the North Korean generals into custody.
Bond/Jinx infiltration - Nothing.
Bond/Graves fight - Delete "Oh look, parachutes for the both of us! Whoop! Not anymore!" That was stupid.
Jinx/Miranda fight - Erase "I can read your every move!" "Read this, bitch!" I'd cut it down to just Jinx saying "Bitch!"
The rest of the film - Nothing.
1. Spend MORE TIME in Bond's character in prison. Show him like he really suffered. He should at least have a limp and an open wound (scratch, cut). He's been violently tortured for 3 months, not the almost 3 minutes of the main song.
2. Someone else should've sing the main title song. Maybe Shirley Bassey. The Madonna song can be used at with the end credits... right after the Bond theme.
3. The scene when he arrives at the bay (after escaping from the [ER] ship and before walking into the hotel)–– DON'T ALLOW Brosnan to do the silly little quick jump off the ladder. Bond does not move like a little school boy excited to go out for the first time.
4. The movie made a small homage to the Bond series. Why Madonna as a guest (how the hell does she represents the franchise)? Why not Shirley Bassey, why not Lois Maxwell (she was still alive), why not Honor Blackman, Barbara Bach... etc?
5. If Bond is going to fence a champion, then make Brosnan LEARN how to fence (and deliver better his lines).
6. Remove the "invisible car"–– I'm sure Q branch can come up with a better "look" for a car.
7. Make Jinx a smaller character. She should've stop (maybe been killed) in Cuba.
8. Remove the line, "I am Mr. Kill" (when Bond arrives at the Ice Palace party, towards the end)-- there was no reason for that, and it turned the scene into a comedy, too campy. Ultimately, there was not reason to have that character in the movie. He didn't look menacing at all and he did not help to move the story. Yes he had a big fight-- but that could've been anybody (like the big fight with the henchman in the volcano at the end of YOLT).
9. Remove the CG Bond surfing over huge waves (sort of windsurfing with a parachute)
10. The escape from the falling plane (in a helicopter!)... that was too much. Maybe this could've been a chance for Q branch to develop a mini-parachute... something that could've really surprise the audience, and a hint to TSWLM.
11. And last (but not least) I would have preferred a different actor playing Bond.
However, my four biggest changes:
NO LEE TAMAHORI
NO HALLE BERRY
A COMPETANT SPECIAL EFFECTS TEAM
NO MR KIL
You change those things and most of the other stuff fixes itself.
Just think of the sheer terror we would feel if it just so happened that while Bond was imprisoned he may have given away information under extreme duress. Naturally, they had beaten his body down to the point that he lost functionality and reason. He was in complete disarray and let it slip about important British operations and things MI6 was planning for Korea, as well as stuff for his own mission there. Moon survives and returns, using Bond to his advantage. Moon is able to use MI6's intel to locate and kill agents of MI6 placed in Korea, freezing up their operation in the country. MI6 naturally think Bond has compromised them, and plan what to do next. The PM doesn't want a word of this getting out, but needs Bond silenced to stop the bloodshed as he could tell the Koreans even more about their operations elsewhere. They make a motion to sneak in and get Bond out now that they have approval (after agents were compromised and killed), and they go to get Bond and bring him to justice. Bond is believed to be the traitor here, but what if it was Miranda was working inside MI6 and funneling intel about Korea to Moon to make it look like Bond was the one giving up his country. Moon, instead of joining Korea through Icarus as in DAD, tells the South of a plot by the British to attack Korea for taking their best agent and have intel that could hurt their standing, they join forces to stop the Brits, now united as a whole. Naturally, when the South see that the Brits are indeed heading to the compound, they believe Moon and choose to join forces officially. Moon knows of the planned stealth mission from Miranda, and is waiting with heavy fire for MI6 to arrive. A big fight occurs, and Bond in the chaos is retrieved by MI6, but not before he escapes and finds a way to get out of the action. He uses a hovercraft to outrun MI6 and Moon's men. Now, Bond appears to be a traitor to his country, and he must somehow show that he is innocent while he is being tracked with a price on his head. Now, that's a very rough and sketchy outline, highly improbable and far fetched in spots, but not that much from what we got with DAD at the end of it all. Just think how brilliantly tragic it would be if Bond actually thought he may have ratted out MI6 and Britain, and how that would affect him psychologically. While on the run he isn't sure whether to try and fight to prove his innocence, or accept that maybe he really did give information under duress and face prosecution lawfully by turning himself in before more die because of him.
The title song,no homages.
I love the vanquish and the vanish.One of the best looking astons of all time.
So you find it the best of Brosnan's films? A very unusual opinion @GeorgeLazenby.
The thing which sinks it is the tone. Its like a bad parody which takes itself seriously. Its like they were trying for wit and got puerileness instead as those in charge just got it wrong all the way through.
Exactly! I would change more in DAF compared to DAD, or at least the same amount. DAF is a failure in almost every conceivable way.
Sorry but that didn't work either. It just sat awkwardly with the rest of the film. There was no blowback. No comeback with meeting that rubbish North Korean general later on in the film. It was forgotten about.
I treated it about as seriously as the tarzan yodel.
The screenplay was huge but wasted. I share youonlylivethrice's opinion. Just going deeper on some topics. It was very superficial, at the opposite of "GoldenEye" for instance and could/should have last longer for a better film.
BTW Madonna's cameo has nothing to do with any homage... I'd rather prefered a Wai Lin massage.
Cut the surfing tsunami scene and the plane ending scene that are too much, as posted above.
DobleCero7's point number 5 is alright.
But, honestly Brosnan gave his best during his 49 and couldn't possibly do better... The sword fight is the best moment of the film alongside the ice chase and Zao's kill. IMO
Tamahori created a fine atmosphere during the "Asian scenes" and didn't filmed that bad. His perf depended on the screenplay, the main problem.
There's a few things I would keep:
- The underground station set
-Raoul
-Miranda Frost (perhaps change her name back to Gala Brand)
That's the film's fault for not exploring it. Hence, one of the things that could be changed.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2902/left-on-the-editing-room-floor./p2
2.Replace Halle Berry with Catherine Zeta-Jones
3.Rewrite the script
4.Gustav Graves as a one person instead of Colonel Moon
5.Have Christina Aguilera performe the Opening Title Sequence instead of Madonna
2. Improve or change the Gustav Graves character.
3. No virtual reality.
With this three, it would be an acceptable movie for me (and if I had to choose only one, it'll be my number 3 modification).
The funny thing is, this is one of the best parts of the movie, the only one that doesn't need to make sense (as it's VR), and it shows that MI6 has access to better CG than EON does.