Skyfall Wins Bond's First Grammy -Make That Two Grammy's

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I thought he did his usual Bond except not as tough and brutal, and with a bit more humour thrown in.

    You completely glossed over all the change Bond has had?
  • RC7RC7
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    Germanlady wrote:
    I thought he did his usual Bond except not as tough and brutal, and with a bit more humour thrown in.

    His "Usual" Bond is a lot more then we saw for some time already. Sometimes - around here - its like No - for Heavens sake, don't achnowledge the Bond actor or anything related to it. Maybe think again "What the f'***makes this franchise work?" Thank you very much.

    You can't just use the context of the series to determine something as being Oscar worthy. IMO no one in SF deserves an Oscar. Good performances, yes. Do they bring anything new to the landscape of cinema? No. There's still a lot of room to manouvre with the Bond character and I believe we haven't seen anywhere near what is possible with the character. After all they've only just realised Bond can be a character and not just a comic book protagonist.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,081

    Dan's performance as Bond is a journey. Little by little we have seen him grow from a reckless rookie in CR to a skilled, competent and loyal agent in Skyfall. Dan has portrayed that expertly, and in Skyfall you really see his love for the character shine. His Bond is relentless, even after so much has been taken, and the major scenes with Bond and M alone are some of the most powerful in the franchise. We are faced with a Bond who wants to hide his past, but is now forced to confront it. We get a look at Bond as a youth, and the struggles he dealt with when he thought the world was ending (the death of his parents). Nobody else could have exemplified the masked pain, the determination, the courageous loyalty to Queen and country that Dan gives to us in Skyfall. The performance is a grand finale to the M trilogy, and needs to be recognized for the marvel it is.

    That was beautifully put. =D>

    Germanlady, I agree Daniel deserves all the recognition he can get. I'm afraid he won't get it at the Oscars, tho. That doesn't mean it would be better that Javier wouldn't get a nod, either. What good would that be to Daniel? None. Javier getting a nomination is more likely than Daniel getting one. Maybe neither will. But it's not some kind of a negative thing if Javier were to get a nod.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    I thought he did his usual Bond except not as tough and brutal, and with a bit more humour thrown in.

    His "Usual" Bond is a lot more then we saw for some time already. Sometimes - around here - its like No - for Heavens sake, don't achnowledge the Bond actor or anything related to it. Maybe think again "What the f'***makes this franchise work?" Thank you very much.

    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    I don't think his performance in SF, although it was good, bought anything really new and I don't think it deserves awards over Bardem.

    I don't think Silva was an easy part to play at all either. Bardem managed to make it so Silva was camp, OTT but still a threatening pshycopath. I thought he stole every scene he was in. His whole rat speech was one of the best intros of the series and I heard on here that he made it up himself. I think he deserves any award given to him.

    I think Silva was the best part of the film, the best cinema villian of the last few years (Joker eat your heart out) and the best Bond villian since Sanchez.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Germanlady wrote:
    I thought he did his usual Bond except not as tough and brutal, and with a bit more humour thrown in.

    His "Usual" Bond is a lot more then we saw for some time already. Sometimes - around here - its like No - for Heavens sake, don't achnowledge the Bond actor or anything related to it. Maybe think again "What the f'***makes this franchise work?" Thank you very much.

    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.
    That may be, but I want Dan to truly realize just how bloody brilliant he is as Bond, and a bunch of fans on an MI6 site won't do that. He is modest already, so maybe an award will show him how much his performance means to fans, and all he has done for the role.
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    I don't think Silva was an easy part to play at all either.

    I agree. The character is complex and layered. A tortured soul in a tortured body. Charming and relentless, emotional and cold, gentle and brutal, fun and murderous. A broken man held together by a singular goal of revenge. I found him fascinating and have nothing but praise for Javier's creation.

  • Germanlady wrote:
    I thought he did his usual Bond except not as tough and brutal, and with a bit more humour thrown in.

    His "Usual" Bond is a lot more then we saw for some time already. Sometimes - around here - its like No - for Heavens sake, don't achnowledge the Bond actor or anything related to it. Maybe think again "What the f'***makes this franchise work?" Thank you very much.

    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.
    That may be, but I want Dan to truly realize just how bloody brilliant he is as Bond, and a bunch of fans on an MI6 site won't do that. He is modest already, so maybe an award will show him how much his performance means to fans, and all he has done for the role.

    I'm sure he's read the reviews, or at least knows that people love the film and him. He won't need an Oscar to know that people think he's doing a great job.

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    That may be, but I want Dan to truly realize just how bloody brilliant he is as Bond, and a bunch of fans on an MI6 site won't do that. He is modest already, so maybe an award will show him how much his performance means to fans, and all he has done for the role.

    A good point considering someone, who always praises others and NVER himself..
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    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    Its not about what recognition he gets on here or not. Who cares in the overall picture? Not important, but important would be that he would get acknowledged for his part in the franchise during the past 3 films.

  • Oscar has a habit of noticing louder performances over more muted turns. For instance Christian Bale who often plays tortured coiled-springs was recognised for his large and showy turn in the Fighter.
    However, I think Bardem is more than deserving for his turn as Silva in the supporting actor category. I don't see it as kick in the nuts to Craig; as Bond is a difficult part to play as you essentially have to play a very physical and laconic figure (It's literally half an hour into the movie that Craig gets his first proper dialogue scene and then he doesn't really say much). So immediately his chances are reduced, also the fact its such an iconic figure as Bond further reduces his chances. Furthermore; the lead actor category is so over-crowded that often the lead in big-budget spectacle driven films are first to get disregarded. It's only really in the advent of The Dark Knight that has really led to such pictures getting Academy recognition, so there is an argument that Craig's trun in Cr should have got more attention. Is Daniel deseerving for his work in SF? Of course. Will he get a nomination? No.

    As for Bardem? He's an acclaimed actor who often gets critics and Academy types in a storm over his performances; in SF he is much more playful and as a result gives a less restrained performance. It's the same reason why Leonardo Dicapro is getting chatter for Django, both feature supporting turns which are taking risks and pushing things a little further and having fun exploring the nuances of their respective characters in broad strokes. Bardem gets some delicious dialogue to deliver and he chews it up so well and walks away with the movie as a result, furthermore the character has some harrowing moments in the movie that really prove why Javier Bardem is one of the best actors of his generation.

    I'd love to see him walk away with a nomination, I'd love Dench to get one more as M just because she's played the role 6 times before and her nomination would be unprecedented in oscar history.
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    Whatever it says in the end - love your post Pierce2daniel.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Germanlady wrote:
    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    Its not about what recognition he gets on here or not. Who cares in the overall picture? Not important, but important would be that he would get acknowledged for his part in the franchise during the past 3 films.
    Exactly. And as great a guy as Dan is, no number of great reviews or pats on the back will make him see or acknowledge just how great he is as Bond and crucial to the continuation of the series. He had brought Bond back to the forefront, and made him relatable again. If he got awarded, maybe it would click with him. But he would still be modest, of course. ;)
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    He will never cease to be his awkward self with praise ;)
  • RC7RC7
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    Germanlady wrote:
    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    Its not about what recognition he gets on here or not. Who cares in the overall picture? Not important, but important would be that he would get acknowledged for his part in the franchise during the past 3 films.
    Exactly. And as great a guy as Dan is, no number of great reviews or pats on the back will make him see or acknowledge just how great he is as Bond and crucial to the continuation of the series. He had brought Bond back to the forefront, and made him relatable again. If he got awarded, maybe it would click with him. But he would still be modest, of course. ;)

    Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? You speak like you know the guy personally. I'm sure he's well aware of his position and the impact he has made. Enough of the hyperbole guys, he is not the messiah just a good Bond.
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    Pierce2Daniel - excellent points. =D> And I'd also love to see Dench get nominated.

    OBrady & Germanlady - I sort of agree with you both. :)
    Well, actually, I think he knows. :P
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Germanlady wrote:
    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    Its not about what recognition he gets on here or not. Who cares in the overall picture? Not important, but important would be that he would get acknowledged for his part in the franchise during the past 3 films.

    I wasn't talking about Oscars then, I was just responding to what you said.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Sometimes - around here - its like No - for Heavens sake, don't achnowledge the Bond actor or anything related to it. Maybe think again "What the f'***makes this franchise work?" Thank you very much.
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    Oscar has a habit of noticing louder performances over more muted turns. For instance Christian Bale who often plays tortured coiled-springs was recognised for his large and showy turn in the Fighter.
    However, I think Bardem is more than deserving for his turn as Silva in the supporting actor category. I don't see it as kick in the nuts to Craig; as Bond is a difficult part to play as you essentially have to play a very physical and laconic figure (It's literally half an hour into the movie that Craig gets his first proper dialogue scene and then he doesn't really say much). So immediately his chances are reduced, also the fact its such an iconic figure as Bond further reduces his chances. Furthermore; the lead actor category is so over-crowded that often the lead in big-budget spectacle driven films are first to get disregarded. It's only really in the advent of The Dark Knight that has really led to such pictures getting Academy recognition, so there is an argument that Craig's trun in Cr should have got more attention. Is Daniel deseerving for his work in SF? Of course. Will he get a nomination? No.

    As for Bardem? He's an acclaimed actor who often gets critics and Academy types in a storm over his performances; in SF he is much more playful and as a result gives a less restrained performance. It's the same reason why Leonardo Dicapro is getting chatter for Django, both feature supporting turns which are taking risks and pushing things a little further and having fun exploring the nuances of their respective characters in broad strokes. Bardem gets some delicious dialogue to deliver and he chews it up so well and walks away with the movie as a result, furthermore the character has some harrowing moments in the movie that really prove why Javier Bardem is one of the best actors of his generation.

    I'd love to see him walk away with a nomination, I'd love Dench to get one more as M just because she's played the role 6 times before and her nomination would be unprecedented in oscar history.

    Well said Pierce2Daniel...and I like you remembered that Bardem is an actor who has given some great, quiet, dramatic performances not just OTT villain. Unfortunately, even the "best supporting actor" category is very crowded (with big names) this year, so it seems very improbable for Bardem to get a nod. Maybe Dench has more chances, because "best supporting actress" seems a bit more open.
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    Skyfall getting a Best Picture nod would be too much to ask for one would think. You already have the guaranteed nods with Lincoln, Les Mis, Argo, and The Master teamed with the ones that are way more likely of getting a nod like Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Silver Linings Playbook and Django. Is it 10 Best Picture nominees now? If so, Skyfall may still slip through there, but like I said...it may need a miracle.

    Since the Golden Globes seem to be pretty close to what the Academy Awards nominations are, 'The Master' has received starring and supporting actor nominations, and that's about it. Replace that with 'Salmon Fishing in the Yemen,' which seemed to sweep the nominations. If it's ten, then you're probably right, and this is what I figure, in no particular order:

    Lincoln, Les Miserables, Argo, Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Django Unchained, Salmon Fishing in the Yemen, Silver Linings Playbook, Skyfall, Zero Dark Thirty.

    If it's five, I'll go ahead and agree with the Golden Globe nominations:

    Argo, Zero Dark Thirty, Lincoln, Life of Pi, Django Unchained.

    Salmon Fishing in the Yemen has no chance at all. That was another of the globes ridiculous moments like the nomination of "The Tourist" two years ago.

    Probably 7 spots "already taken": Argo, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Django Unchained, Lincoln, Les Miserables, Silver Linings Playbook, Zero Dark Thirty.

    Two other that will likely be nominated are: Life of Pi and Moonrise Kingdom

    So that leaves 1 spot that can go for one of these movies: The Master, Perks of Being a Wallflower, The Dark Knight Rises, Looper, Promise Land and of course Skyfall
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    What are you on about? Craig can do no wrong on here most of the time. He gets plenty of recognition.

    Its not about what recognition he gets on here or not. Who cares in the overall picture? Not important, but important would be that he would get acknowledged for his part in the franchise during the past 3 films.
    Exactly. And as great a guy as Dan is, no number of great reviews or pats on the back will make him see or acknowledge just how great he is as Bond and crucial to the continuation of the series. He had brought Bond back to the forefront, and made him relatable again. If he got awarded, maybe it would click with him. But he would still be modest, of course. ;)

    Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? You speak like you know the guy personally. I'm sure he's well aware of his position and the impact he has made. Enough of the hyperbole guys, he is not the messiah just a good Bond.

    What do you mean? I am giving what are known as 'compliments'. It's when you appreciate someone so much that you feel they deserve some kind words for their work/deed. I won't be ashamed to bow at the temple of Craig. His Bond is a sign that the present and future are smiling upon us, and I just think he should be recognized for all his great work. He was one of the Bonds with the toughest transitions along with George and Tim, and to see how much he is liked by the public now is great. And as I said, Dan is modest and won't praise himself. I just hope in some way shape or form he knows how great he has been for Bond.
  • I think the good guy role is always tricky to do, tricky because it often looks like you're not actually working at the role when in fact, it's often the hardest role to play. The subtlety of a good guy leaves the actor with nothing to chew on, and it can take an entire length of a movie for the layers to come to the surface. Added to DC's obstacles is the fact that the real depth of the layers of his character arc with M actually started in Casino Royale, so it's taken 3 movies for that to simmer to the surface. Award voters generally want something big and memorable; they want to latch onto a scene and say, "Did you see that?!" DC just doesn't have that at his disposal.

    However, Javier Bardem certainly has! Who doesn't remember that gorgeously long introductory rat speech? Voters don't even have to watch the whole movie (which many voters have admitted they do not do), they just have to watch that scene. It ticks all the boxes voters get excited about. When he shows up, you cannot take your eyes off of him, and he somehow walks that tightrope between camp and menace. It's a minefield few actors could manoeuver, and he does it wonderfully.

    That doesn't mean DC's offering is any less remarkable. Without HIS balance of humanity and blunt instrument, when the emotional punch is thrown right at the end, it would have been a swing and a miss, because the audience wouldn't have cared. Two great performances, for two very different reasons. But I think the Academy voters generally only steer towards one.
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    ^^ Well said, coolbyrne. =D>
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    Tuulia wrote:
    ^^ Well said, coolbyrne. =D>

    Yes, this is what I would have liked to say but couldn't so well. So I continue hoping for the baftas to do the trick for him.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    Because Bond is getting honored at the Oscars, this is where my mind goes to first... Sir Sean and Sir Roger on stage together! WooHoo!!!

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    Germanlady wrote:
    Tuulia wrote:
    ^^ Well said, coolbyrne. =D>

    Yes, this is what I would have liked to say but couldn't so well. So I continue hoping for the baftas to do the trick for him.

    You already had a great entrance in this thread as it is.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    agentjfgr wrote:
    Skyfall Oscar Predictions:

    Almost certain:
    Best Song
    Best Cinematography

    Strong Possibility:
    Best Supporting Actor (SAG/BFCA combo)
    Sound Editing
    Sound Mixing

    50/50:
    Best Picture

    Also possible/longer shots:
    Visual Effects
    Production Design
    Editing

    Skyfall Oscar Predictions:

    Almost certain:
    --> Best Cinematography (Top favourite if you ask me)
    --> Best Original Song (Allthough stiff competition from Hugh Jackman's song 'Suddenly' for 'Les Miserables)
    --> Best Sound Mixing (Norman Wanstall, the 'Man of the Bond Sounds' would have been jealous of Scott Millan's work. Underestimated technical Oscar category)
    --> Best Sound Editing (Norman Wanstall, the 'Man of the Bond Sounds' would have been jealous of Scott Millan's work. Underestimated technical Oscar category)

    Strong Possibility:
    --> Best Supporting Actor (SAG/Critics Choice combo: yes. But BAFTA is usually bit too British in its choices = not the best accurate predictor for the Oscars. And Javier is not nominated for a Golden Globe. Also watch out for Leonardo DiCaprio and Alan Arkin.)
    --> Best Picture (The Producer's Guild Awards are very good predictors. Before June this year the Academy would choose 10 nominees for this category (since 2009). But as of June this year the Academy decided that the amount of nominations can vary between 5 and 10, provided that the film earned 5% of first-place votes during the nomination process. This could be a hard task, but we will see.)

    Slight Possibility:
    --> Best Film Editing (Outside chance for Stuart Baird and Kate Baird, BUT do not forget from the action blockbusters, 'Skyfall' has the best chance)
    --> Best Visual Effects

    Long Shots:
    --> Best Original Music Score
    --> Best Production Design
    --> Best Director
    --> Best Adapted Screenplay
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    One comment about my list above. After Thursday, I am pretty certain 'Skyfall' will be the Bond film with most Oscar nominations EVER!!! Again, a record. In my opinion, one of the most beautiful records we as Bond fans will see :-).

    The amount of nominations will probably vary between four and six Oscar nominations, besting the previous record of 'The Spy Who Loved Me', which got three Oscar nominations.

    And if 'Skyfall' actually wins one of the above Oscars, it will equal 'Thunderball' and 'Goldfinger'. Coincidently the three most succesful Bond movies ever.
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    Tomorrow the big dayyy ;;) !!
  • Tomorrow? I thought it was the 10th. :-??
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    TheBondFan wrote:
    Tomorrow? I thought it was the 10th. :-??

    I believe they're talking about the BAFTA nominations, which are released on Wednesday. The Academy Award nominations are going to be announced on Thursday morning.
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