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No. I never said I had no respect, you misunderstood me.
Batman and Robin edges them out for me. That film was not only a bad Batman film, but a plain horrible film in general. The worst thing is that as a kid I loved to see Batman save the day and never questioned the characters, dialogue, or plot, and as I got older I finally saw what the film was: absolute tripe-topping spit covered sod dirt. I felt violated and betrayed by my love of Batman and felt soiled as a cinephile.
Sure, everyone has it's own opinions, but i can never imagine how it feels to active hate on something, not just in the Bond world.
My humble opinion is that every film and actor did contribute on some part to the franchise, and all of them are good in their own way. Even if it's sometimes hard to find ( AVTAK ).
Like I have said countless times before, when a film or actor makes me feel physical pains or ruins an ace character, any sympathy or love from me is gone, and never coming back.
:O Brady defending Roger Moore??? Never thought I'd see the day ;)
Yes, i guess that is true. But i'm sure you always can find something positive in that actor or film that makes it worth to rethink the opinion?
I have tried to watch trough some movies that i really did hate, but after some re -thinking it can be okay.
True there's a few nice shots of Cuba/Cadiz but a lot of it just looks so fake.
Even the moment where he walks into the hotel (not a bad scene) is undermined a bit because of the backdrop of the outside. Shame because the interior set looks really nice.
Things just get worse when they get to Iceland.
QoS has A LOT of problems but they do at least try to actually go to locations rather than film them on a set.
There...I'm sticking up for QoS :p
DAD on the other hand is downright cringeworthy at times. I will admit that the first half of the film is (generally) good, and I really dig the pre-titles and the sword fight. But once Jinx becomes a larger player and Iceland kicks in, DAD is unsalvageable apart from the neat-o gadget car battle in the ice palace. The script literally becomes a collection of cliched lines and one liners...and what I think are supposed to be one liners. ("Global warming....is a terrible thing." ...whaaaa?) While QOS is rather bland, DAD just gets plain bad.
I enjoy DAD more though because for all it's many faults, it's escapism and fun and feels (just) like a Bond movie. Daniel Craig, as Sir Roger Moore said, just feels like an advert. Craig broods far too much. Very weak villains.
The only thing that possibly swings it is Gemma Arteton...but no, I can't forgive Dench's ego being given more room to strangle the series
In any event, I have no love lost for either release. I'd rather look directly into the sun than watch either of these, but if I had to pick, I'd go for QOS as the better release, or something I would want to watch, over the other. But there really isn't much to choose between these two disasters
Well said. You mentioned the depth, artfulness, 2nd time better viewmanship, both Tosca andYusef, Camille' difference of being a unique Bond girl. Also I will add the airplane sequence and David Arnold's great score complete with the Vesper theme variations. Marc Forster made sure that David Arnold compose a carefully crafted score.
By contrast Quantum had a writers' strike, a rushed production schedule, and it still managed to do something different and interesting.
Awesome point. And even with all that, QoS turned out this well: Must be a miracle. I have seen so many alternate shots on set for scenes that were either scrapped or never fully filmed, and you can tell that the film could have gone any number of ways. I can't believe we got a final product this good out of it. Movie magic at its finest.
Hahaha. He won't be getting asked back, I can guarantee that.
DIE ANOTHER DAY has a strong first half, Bond getting tortured, growing a beard? Great stuff. I like the Col. Moon character at the beginning (and by that I mean the Korean actor). I loved seeing him use his Anger Management therapist as a punching bag. I liked the trip to Cuba and seeing Bond in a Ford armed with an old revolver. I loved Halle Berry's introduction (I don't give a crap if her character sucks, she's F***ing hot coming out of that ocean!) I also liked the sword fight (Even if it was pointless and was semi-ruined by Madonna).
But I agree about the second half. It quickly changes into a parody of itself. I did like seeing John Cleese again as Q, John Cleese is always great. I didn't even mind the invisible car. But Toby Stephens, the space laser, the whole gene-manipulation plot, the kite-surfing, it just got too much. It wasn't the worst film I ever saw, but I don't need to see it again.
QUANTUM OF SOLACE: I'm sorry, I don't know what the hell this film is about. At least I knew what DIE ANOTHER DAY was about. QUANTUM is so convoluted, the story is almost impossible to follow, in part thanks to the bi-polar editing and cinematography. Daniel Craig gives the most unlikeable performance in a Bond movie. Even Timothy Dalton for his dark performance in LICENSE made you root for him. In QUANTUM, I didn't care what happened to these people, or even if Bond lived or died. I just wanted the film to be over.
Again, I have to stress the editing in this film, it's so impossible to follow what's going on. It's like CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT-CUT... ENOUGH ALREADY! Show me what's happening! Remember that great shot from the beginning of SPY WHO LOVED ME? One shot following Bond off the mountain until he opened the Union Jack parachute. Even with DIE ANOTHER DAY's CGI Kite-surfing, I can see what's going on. Okay, Bond's surfing on the ice-caps. Fine (It's kinda stupid, but whatever, at least I can SEE what's going on).
One more tidpit here. When I was rewatching these films, I tried to remember specific scenes about each one. For DIE ANOTHER DAY (which I hadn't seen since 2002), I remembered the torture scene, the sword-fight, Halle Berry, the ice-house, the space-laser, the kite-surfing, the invisible car, the plane scene, Moneypenny at the end, I remembered a lot from that film. What did I remember from QUANTUM (Which I only saw four years ago?) Almost nothing, except the scene where Bond and Emo-girl were in the burning building (Best scene in the film) and the other Bond girl's name "Strawberry Fields." It's an unmemorable movie.
Writers' strike, rushed production, I don't care. A bad movie is a bad movie.
RE: Die Another Day vs Quantum of Solace
Which one do I vote for? I find DAD more entertaining than QoS because of the action and escapism, however, QoS has depth and realism. Being a fan who enjoys both the fantastic/OTT and the realistic/gritty films equally, I find this a rather hard decision to make. After some uncertainty:
QoS > DAD.
Ah, duh. The entire film is about Bond trying to deny to himself how much Vesper meant to him. He gave up his guard, got hurt, and tries to mask the pain. When he quickly pockets her photo in the Sienna house, when he can't even utter the drink he is having on the plane with Mathis (because it would mean he would have to say "Vesper", how he references her all over the place until we get to his confrontation with Yusef are all examples of his denial and hurt over her. The film is all a process of Bond realizing and appreciating all Vesper meant to him and how special she was, and with the toss of her love knot into the snow Bond shows that he is finally ready to accept that and move on.