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Thoughts on TWINE
my blog post with analysis of The World Is Not Enough. Yes, Denise Richards is ridiculous but the Elektra plot works in my estimation and makes TWINE a fairly solid entry in the series:
http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/the-007-files-the-world-is-not-enough/
http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/the-007-files-the-world-is-not-enough/
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acting of any worth. Sopheie Marceau's performance seemed to be phoned in even though she was present during filming. It was also far too slow in getting going, the Z8 was wasted for one silly stunt and the final action scenes would have only been enough for the midway point in most Bond movies. The Elektra plot idea is good. But the reality is still a disappointing film. Only Brosnan and Coltraine seemed to be putting in any effort, and I expected a LOT more from Robert Carlyle. His role ended up being pretty small and his acting was pretty stolid for him.
- love the opening sequence(the boat chase)
- LOVE the theme song by garbage
- Elektra King was good
- I liked that valentin helped bond
- Liked qs sendoff
I don't care how bad Denise Richards was, I still like my Bond girls with more depth. She was really just there so Bond would have someone to end the movie with. I think Elektra's story and relationship with Bond was strong and would have been even better if Christmas Jones wasn't in the film.
I agree with you until the second point. TND wasn't a bad film, it was just a "medium" film one, because it actually hadn't highlights like Goldeneye (as highlights, I mean, a super hidden base, the Bond x Alec fight) unfortunately, TND hadn't any of that, though it still being a good film, and though Paris is my favourite Bond Girl yet. But i still make it controverse because, personally her role would be kind of useless because she didn't brought so much for the story as she just ended up in bed with Bond and then she died, but i think you'd agree with me when i say that if she was on another previous film like TSWLM, TLD, or LTK, it would be better.
Sorry for being kinda off-topic, but it'd like to argue with that. :)
As for TWINE, it IS a great film. It brings back some classicness from the first movies, as i can remember from FRWL. The movie itself hadn't so much action, but it still was great and one of the best Bond movies. As for TWINE, it could be compared with FRWL with those points. Though it has some more action scenes, they've had focused on the storyline and not in action, and that is a great point. The baddest point of all was using Denise Richards. She's beautiful and all, but acting is not her best (not even her worst). If we could have someone else's in her place, like Sandra Bullock, Catherine Zeta-Jones or Charlize Theron, we'd have a so much better movie, tho it still is - at least for me.
I'm sorry I dont bring the exact words or the best arguments, but it's all of my thinking.
"Why?"
"So we can get chased on skis, of course, I need to tick that box on my "being Bond" Equity card."
The theme song and score are great, there's some cracking action, Zukofsky is back and is hilarious, Elektra was brilliant, I really like the story and Renard/Elektras plan, M being used more was original, there are some nice locations, the PTS is one of the best in the series, there's a touching final performance by Desmond, etc.
Richards I didn't mind. She's far from the best Bond girl and she's not a brilliant actress but I can put up with her. She's just a shagpiece and she does her job as being eyecandy and the damsel in distress.
But having said that, and as a standalone, I think TWINE is just an OK Bond Film, and here's why: there are a lot of great separate moments and locations in this film, but when combined it is just too much. Most Bond Films have things that stand out quickly. For instance, when someone says LALD, instantly I think of the boat chase. When someone talks DAF, Las Vegas comes to mind. When someone mentions GF, the first thing that sticks in my head is the classic fight with Oddjob in Fort Knox. And so on.... TWINE has moments like these that would be great if they were maybe fleshed out a bit more and draw the focus of the film for longer than a few minutes.
But, there are just too many locations, characters, action sequences, and plot/subplots to give us anything special to focus on. Action: Bank Scene, Boat Chase on the Thames, Ski Chase, Nuclear Lab Stuff, Riding in the Pipeline, The Firefight at the Caviar Warehouses, The Final Battle in Istanbul, and all of the Submarine Stuff = too much. Plot/Subplots: Someone killed King and Bond needs to find out who and why/ Bond is unfit for action, which Elektra and Renard exploit/ M feels responsible about what happened to Elektra and Elekra is bitter with M/ Elektra and Renard are in love with each other as a result of Stockholm Syndrome and are plotting to destroy her oil empire's competition/ Denise has to find that missing plutonium or someone's going to have her ass/ Bond teams up with Denise/ Zukovsky is involved for some reason that I can't remember/ Bullion works for Zukovsky, but wait, he really works for Renard? Again, there is just too much going on.
I commend them for trying to involve an ancillary character (M) and involve her in the plot, but there was already too much going on this story to include her this go-round and should have been scrapped for this one and saved for a later movie.
Overall though, good movie, but too much to make it great.
Best sequence by far: When Bond infiltrates Renard's team and then travels with them to the nuclear bunker. Even though Denise is part of it and drops the ball on most of her lines, Brosnan is at his best here and has some of his best delivery of all his (Bond) films.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3341/for-original-fans-1962-1972-the-world-is-not-enough-reviews/p19
The high points of TWINE are Q's final scene (along with the EON produced feature tribute that makes me cry), Marceau and her clothing designer, the PTS save the underwater tie straightening, Bond's kill of Elektra, and Team Zukovsky who are hilarious.
The rest? Very average to sometimes cringing. It's not the worst Bond film on the level of DAD, MR, or DAF, but a definite bottom 5 type of film that failed to live up to it's plot potential. I prefer GE and TND greatly to this for many viable reasons and as much as I try to love all 23 EON films, this was a melodramatic mess that overall far outweighed it's better points.
I agree with a lot of what you say. I also have a mini-review, or points of thought, in the thread you mentioned. I can understand why some people like TWINE; the idea of TWINE is good but the execution was terrible. So many things were poorly done that the few things that are excellent - Q's final scene, the killing of Elektra - get overwhelmed. Better actors and a better director would have helped because really, there were a lot of solid ideas and situations in there.
In any event, while we're at it, only to say, it's Brosnan's best release of the four for me. Probably most plausible Brosnan appearance and performance, if only he had finished with this and not got caught up in that embarrassment three years later. It's a damn shame, in retrospect
Best pre credits sequence of the franchise, decent theme intro, lots of good action, a plausible main adversary in the usually excellent Robert Carlyle, Sophie Marceau does well for the most part, but Brosnan, for all his good work here, does let himself down now and again. I never liked the finish - "Christmas In Turkey" - and Denise Richards is the most banal and mundane Bond girl since Maryam d'Abo
Other than those minor issues, a mighty fine Bond release. One of the very best of the last 40 years
That's almost a duplication of how I see it, in that Goldeneye is Brosnan's second best, far better than Die Another Day, while Tomorrow Never Dies comes in at third place, for Brosnan releases, but it's nearer to Die Another Day than anything else
Can't agree with the Moonraker thing though
Brosnan is not bad, never really had an issue with Denise Richards, i don't watch Bond for oscar winning perfomances and pretensions. The scenes with M locked up are emabarassing but the farewell from Q is touching and the PTS is very good.
All in all a mixture of the good and the bad but still streets ahead of DAD.
The film is almost just as good as GoldenEye but falls short on two key levels for me. The submarine finale is rather underwhelming and completely abandons some plot points that were heavily emphasised earlier. And the film throws a lot of the great ideas it established earlier out the window for the usual formula to tie things up neatly. Once Elektra is revealed as the mastermind, Renard just fades into the background as a glorified henchman. As well as that, some of the dialogue is horrific in parts.
That said, it's a good two hours spent. There's nothing to hate here for me, just a couple of things I would have done differently. I like the movie as a whole and it sits nicely just inside my top ten.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1678/the-world-is-not-enough-appreciation-thread
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/4026/the-world-is-not-enough-is-highly-underrated