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One of my favorite words:
Daft
Adjective:
Silly; foolish.
Crazy: "have you gone daft?".
Synonyms:
crazy - mad - foolish - loony - cracked
The way certain muslim groups act violently against negative portrayals of them, I myself would not dare go there either. I don't think it's out of the question that the producers like to play it safe and quite frankly, I don't blame them for that.
Also, I want my Bond films to be escapist adventures, to be about the romance of it all, the fun. Wars fought by and against the Islam aren't my idea of fun. They're too close to home for my taste and too uncomfortable.
Yes, they fought the Russians during the Cold War, but that was a different enemy and those were different times. The Russians, at least, had the good sense not to commit to terrorism.
Despite my interest in seeing Bond kick some terrorist bottoms, I would feel tremendously uneasy in this day and age about bringing up a Bond versus muslim terrorists plot.
Yes, for proof just look at the death threats against that Danish cartoonist who drew the cartoon of Allah/Mohammed. Imagine if we Christians were THAT reactionary every time someone blasphemed! There would be hardly anyone left on Earth!
That and the fact that well-educated people (which is what the secular west aims to churn out) are hardly queuing up to buy into that christ/bible nonsense as it is. If they (the christians) were murderous militants I don't think many in the west would be particularly keen to join in in the first place.
Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Its a bit rich for Christians to take the moral high ground.
I thought you were from NI so you ought to know that better than anyone.
I'm only commenting this in defense of @Dragonpol, as I am also a Christian, I think it wouldn't be really appropriate to blame us for the shameless atrocities of our forefathers, and even of our Church (Jesus Christ, there are many: the Crusades, the Christian Resistance against scientific innnovation during the middle ages, I need more than a dozen fingers to count.) We shouldn't be marked by what the ones before us have done. Remember when Abe Lincoln's son was saved by John Wilke's Boothe's son? We have the right to believe in what we want to believe in, and anyway in some ways more than one we also contributed good for the world (the US Constitution was based on Judeo-Christian Philosophies). So please, let this be the last of the anti or pro religious comments, just to end our senseless wrestling of thoughts. Let's not argue with our own respective beliefs anymore. Okay, please? It doesn't belong here in a James Bond forum site. Thank you.
As for the 007 vs. Al Qaeda stuff: HELL NO. We all want a tranquil and harmonious life, right? Let's not step on other toes and make lives for each and everyone of us.
Does that sound reasonable to you? My translation...
People shouldn't make off-topic comments about religion. I've just made an off-topic comment about religion. I don't want to hear from anyone else now I've done my bit. That's it. I have the last word. Thank you.
And that, is Religion.
QFT
As far as the thread goes I think it would be a bit dull. These people aren't interesting enough to be Bond villains. Most of them live in godforsaken places like Bolton or Dudley making their bombs in the garage. It's hardly grandiose.
If Bond had gone up against the IRA in the 70s and 80s would that have been any good either? A Bond villain should have a bit if class which none of these people with their tiresome gripes have in the slightest.
:-?
No, you're right; that would suck big time.
Let's stay to slightly more fancifully removed evil characters. Besides, it might start an actual war.
This is the problem people have with Islam. EON are not Theo Van Gogh and are not going to risk upsetting the Muslim world because they don't want to be killed rather than for any artistic reasons.
You have to say the Muslim approach works because people these days self censor themselves as time and again we have seen what happens if the Muslim world perceives offence of some sort. Whereas if a writer came up with a good story featuring the Vatican as the villains EON would have no problems green lighting it.
Look at the Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons. If they had been about Islam people would've died and Dan Brown would still be in hiding.
These religious militants are zealots and only comprehensible by similar religious zealots so as bad guys go they're doomed to be forever two-dimensional hate figures to any normal person. It's alright for the pulp fiction of the day, where audiences needn't question why the angry bearded bible-basher is putting a bomb in the ice-cream stall (it's just 'what they do' isn't it?), but no good for Bond.
Bond villians have to be sort of larger than life. Even the more "realistic" villians like Koskov, Orlov, Ourumov, Sanchez, etc have something different about them.
The only one I can think of who was really bland and generic was Greene and look how that turned out.
In 1987, I was what you might say, more geo-politically aware than most of my American comrades, and I felt that the effort to arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets was a mistake that would end up biting us in the ass in a way similar to the effects of arming the Contras in Nicaragua against the Sandinistas (only bigger). The final act of TLD turned me off then just as most of Rambo III did.
With some distance, TLD has come to be my favourite Bond of all, but it DID take some time & forgiveness for the political naivete of the screen writers.
Point being, Bond needs to stay out of REAL LIFE geo-political struggles, and go about the business of thwarting larger-than-life creeps IMO.
That would be interesting (even more so if it was just done as a low key character driven drama where Bond (ie Timothy Dalton) is brought out if retirement to hunt him down) but to sustain a proper modern Bond film would it be sufficient? Not unless Kamran was planning another 9/11.
I think a PTS of Al Qaeda (or unamed swarthy looking terrorists that may or may mot be Muslim) taking an airliner and trying to fly it into a building and Bond foils them and swerves the plane past the skyscraper at the last second but then is forced to make an emergency landing on Fifth Avenue after the US airforce cripple the plane before Bond is able to radio that he has control could be pretty decent.
The only problem is that 98% of that would have to be CGI so it's a thumbs down from me.
Really? Dont think the FAA are going to give you the go ahead to fly a Boeing through Manhattan.
I imagine that all religions (as well as Christianity) have their extremists and bad elements - man decides how he wants to work with religion. Yes, I am from NI, but not a Roman Catholic, so the Spanish Inquisition does not apply to me, sorry. I think that much of Britain has become a very secular place, but here in NI people still believe, contrary to media portrayals of "our wee country".
Precisely my point. What 'troubles' have we ever had? Apart from those caused by the IRA or Muslims?