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What was the Bond fan community's initial reaction when TND came out? More disappointing than QoS?
Goldeneye is easily in my top five, sometimes I actually consider it my favorite of the franchise. It has a great cast and smart script, two things that Tomorrow Never Dies severely lacked. I wasn't a Bond fan back then (my first Bond film was DAD and CR was the first I saw in theaters), so I'm curious about just how disappointed the fan community was when TND came out. Did it feel like all the promise that Goldeneye brought to the franchise was shattered? Would you consider it similar to the situation we had when Quantum of Solace came out after the stellar Casino Royale gave us so much hope? Which felt like the bigger disappointment?
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QoS is inexplicably underrated by many people on here. It's much better than people give it credit for, although probably still a mid to lower table entry. If memory serves me well QoS did about as well, if not better, as CR at the box office. A lot of the negativity towards it seems to have come afterwards, with it becoming fashionable to knock its (sometimes admitedly distracting) editing.
I'd probably agree with that. Coming after the Dalton era, I was sickened by the direction EON had decided to take with GE and frankly repulsed by Brosnan. TND was a surprising and refreshing improvement, although with TWINE and then DAD things went down hill pretty rapidly.
I actually enjoy QoS more than CR but think it could still have been a lot better.
Really? There isn't even a connection/arc between the films like there is for CR and QoS.
Unlike the TWINE/DAD pair to come.
And of course there doesn't have to be a connection/arc to Bond films in order to be great Bond films.
There isn't one between GF and TB and I find TB to be a better follow up than TND and QoS. I suppose it comes down to a matter of overall enjoyment. QoS has some great moments but I just didn't get as much enjoyment from it as the aforementioned.
Sorry, by follow up I assumed you meant a continued story arc. I don't know what I thought that, as there isn't much of that in the franchise.
I remember being more disappointed by QoS. Although I like it I felt that it was a huge let down after CR.
When QOS came out I thought it was a huge disappointment, I hated it. Barely anyone I spoke to enjoyed it and the reaction on the internet was mixed.
The "fan community" at the time was limited to the Usenet group and to a handful of magazines. The alt.fan.james-bond archive is still available on Google Groups if you want to see what people thought of Tomorrow Never Dies at the time.
Tommorow Never Dies Was a million times better...no i didnt feel disapointed i felt Elated, joy at finally seeing the david arnold gunbarrel music and the awesome film that was TND
That was our (me & my mates') consensus as well back then.
Curiously now, both GE & CR having the same director, and both TND & QOS being like better by myself....
I SWEAR I do not hate Martin Campbell!!!! I own & love most of his movies, even Green Lantern!!!!
But I still think the first hour is good. Esp Kauffman and the car scene.
When TND came out it was a bit disappointing to me and my friends. We thought that GE was a surprising return to form for a classy, exotic Bond film and it was very well shot (I remember noticing how good the cinematography was) and very well directed. Then when TND came out it seemed a bit of a step backwards - formulaic and not as well executed as GE. In fact, there was a nagging feeling of disappointment which was the first time that I had ever felt that after seeing a Bond film in the theatre.
I would say that QoS initially felt like an even bigger letdown than TND but that's down to one important factor - CR. CR was so incredible in so many ways, and there was a desperate hope that this was a new beginning in terms of quality in the series. After seeing QoS on opening night I was worried that CR was a freak accident of quality that we would only see once.
I recently saw TND for the first time since it was in theatres and new to DVD and I liked it more - now I can see it for what it is, a mid-level action film version of a Bond film. But it does what it does relatively well, despite some problem areas. The second time I saw QoS the burden of impossible expectations was lifted and I enjoyed it much more - I think it gets a *bit* more flack than it deserves.
Not sure if you're aware of it--(I was in radio at the time so I am sure of this)--KD was to be the lead song, and "Surrender" was called "Tomorrow Never Dies." Crow was at the end, and "Tomorrow Never Dies" was called "Until the Day." Someone last minute made the BS call to flip the songs as Crow was "hot" at the time and her image was "more marketable."
Yeah, it seemed fairly apparent. KD's was SO much better!!
You pretty much summed up my feelings.