Licence to Kill - Is it really that "underrated"?

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    timothy-dalton-james-bond-timothy-dalton-daniel-craig-badass-demotivational-poster-1242459332.jpg

    L-) THIS.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    chrisisall wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    timothy-dalton-james-bond-timothy-dalton-daniel-craig-badass-demotivational-poster-1242459332.jpg

    L-) THIS.

    When i saw that, i thought "Is this possible to be done in real life? ... Oh damn i don't care, Timothy's Bond is great!"
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    I really liked LTK and after all those Moore films... TD is better in this film than in the previous one because LTK played to his strengths. the producers knew not to try and emulate Roger Moore but let Dalton put his own stamp on the role. (one liners, light humor was not his strong suit)

    Like many fans, I wish he could have done GE instead of a certain "pretty boy". I just wish some reviewers and fans would lay off the film. It's pretty darn good.

    I rank LTK in the top three of the Bond films.
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    I really liked LTK and after all those Moore films... TD is better in this film than in the previous one because LTK played to his strengths. the producers knew not to try and emulate Roger Moore but let Dalton put his own stamp on the role. (one liners, light humor was not his strong suit)

    Like many fans, I wish he could have done GE instead of a certain "pretty boy". I just wish some reviewers and fans would lay off the film. It's pretty darn good.

    I rank LTK in the top three of the Bond films.

    I agree. I think I have it a four, but it's certainly in my top five. Just having watched it for the first time in a loooong time, I can't believe how many years I missed out on this gem. I know it gets knocked for not having a Bond feel to it, but I feel like it has everything. I was surprised how far it jumped in my rankings.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    ultrabox wrote:
    Just having watched it for the first time in a loooong time, I can't believe how many years I missed out on this gem. I know it gets knocked for not having a Bond feel to it, but I feel like it has everything. I was surprised how far it jumped in my rankings.
    I'm right there with you @ultrabox.
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    X3MSonicX wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    timothy-dalton-james-bond-timothy-dalton-daniel-craig-badass-demotivational-poster-1242459332.jpg

    L-) THIS.

    When i saw that, i thought "Is this possible to be done in real life? ... Oh damn i don't care, Timothy's Bond is great!"
    With any other Bond, the mere idea would have been ludicrous. Dalton's Bond made you believe that whatever the hell that truck was doing, was possible!


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    X3MSonicX wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    timothy-dalton-james-bond-timothy-dalton-daniel-craig-badass-demotivational-poster-1242459332.jpg

    L-) THIS.

    When i saw that, i thought "Is this possible to be done in real life? ... Oh damn i don't care, Timothy's Bond is great!"
    With any other Bond, the mere idea would have been ludicrous. Dalton's Bond made you believe that whatever the hell that truck was doing, was possible!


    True. The truck up on it's side too! When I was watching it I was wondering how many takes that took to pull off. If Brosnan did it I would've said, "Pffft, come on..." (Though in Brosnan's case it would probably be CGI).
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    Double post.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    With any other Bond, the mere idea would have been ludicrous. Dalton's Bond made you believe that whatever the hell that truck was doing, was possible!
    The Force was strong with that one...
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 2,782
    ultrabox wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    timothy-dalton-james-bond-timothy-dalton-daniel-craig-badass-demotivational-poster-1242459332.jpg

    L-) THIS.

    When i saw that, i thought "Is this possible to be done in real life? ... Oh damn i don't care, Timothy's Bond is great!"
    With any other Bond, the mere idea would have been ludicrous. Dalton's Bond made you believe that whatever the hell that truck was doing, was possible!


    True. The truck up on it's side too! When I was watching it I was wondering how many takes that took to pull off. If Brosnan did it I would've said, "Pffft, come on..." (Though in Brosnan's case it would probably be CGI).


    They did it in one take apparently...awesome...no wires, no cgi, no bradybunch...how they did it:






    in stunning HD around 40 mins:


  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    Personally I think it's interesting that Dalton himself apparently prefers TLD.

    My own thoughts after a more recent viewing is that, while Kill has some excellent elements and is enjoyable, it's just too "dark" and perhaps more importantly "American" to feel like Bond - despite the fact it takes a fair bit from Fleming. Something about it's tone and style just feels a bit off.

    Some of the photography is poor too which doesn't help. However Davi and Lowell are both excellent. Dalton is good too but there are a couple of scenes which feel a tad too "dramatic" shall I say

    For me it's currently a mid ranking entry.
  • LTK is good. Not my favorite Bond film, but it is exceptional. Darker, edgier, Bond off the grid, avenging his friend Felix. Sanchez made a good baddie. Gladys Knight's opening song is one the best Bond songs ever!
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    gelimaurk wrote:
    LTK is good. Not my favorite Bond film, but it is exceptional. Darker, edgier, Bond off the grid, avenging his friend Felix. Sanchez made a good baddie. Gladys Knight's opening song is one the best Bond songs ever!

    Shame the titles are a bit naff. How is the whole "camera" theme connected to the rest of the film? (other than Q giving Bond a gaget camera which we only see in one scene).

    Your "off the grid" expression @gelimaurk kind of enforces my point about the "American-thriller" vibe the film has.
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    Like one said, I think the movie is underrated with the general public but way overrated with the fans.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    gelimaurk wrote:
    LTK is good. Not my favorite Bond film, but it is exceptional. Darker, edgier, Bond off the grid, avenging his friend Felix. Sanchez made a good baddie. Gladys Knight's opening song is one the best Bond songs ever!

    Shame the titles are a bit naff. How is the whole "camera" theme connected to the rest of the film? (other than Q giving Bond a gadget camera which we only see in one scene)
    Judging from the movies I've seen, the 80's were ALL about big ass cameras. They were the iphones of the day apparently



    ;)
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    gelimaurk wrote:
    LTK is good. Not my favorite Bond film, but it is exceptional. Darker, edgier, Bond off the grid, avenging his friend Felix. Sanchez made a good baddie. Gladys Knight's opening song is one the best Bond songs ever!

    Shame the titles are a bit naff. How is the whole "camera" theme connected to the rest of the film? (other than Q giving Bond a gadget camera which we only see in one scene)
    Judging from the movies I've seen, the 80's were ALL about big ass cameras. They were the iphones of the day apparently



    ;)

    But that's vague. By that logic we should have seen a similar one with mobile phones (Sony Erricson of course) by now.
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    Oh take a joke Bain, it's my birthday
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    Oh take a joke Bain, it's my birthday

    I don't like jokes ;)

    Happy Birthday :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Oh take a joke Bain, it's my birthday
    Happy Birthday @Master_Dahark! Maybe one of your presents will be that island you have been wanting? Fingers crossed! ;)
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    I wish I could say that I unreservedly love LTK, but despite being a big Dalton fan, LTK is not one of my favourites. I think compared to what came afterwards it's a decent film, but not a patch on TLD.
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    As big of a shame it is that Dalton only did two movies, it's still pretty nice that he had big variety in them. One 'traditional' Bond movie (TLD) and one rogue movie that's not run of the mill (LTK)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I prefer TLD (#1) to LTK (#2), but LTK does feature the series most nastiest villain, bar none. And I can't resist Kamen's Bond themes, especially during the Tanker chase.
    BAIN123 wrote:
    But that's vague. By that logic we should have seen a similar one with mobile phones (Sony Erricson of course) by now.

    I recall a fair ammount of looking at phone screens in CR. Might not have featured in the title sequence, but still.

    As for the thread title, a few short years ago, I would have said yes, very underrated. But like Lazenby (albeit at a slower pace), Dalton is starting to get the appreciation he deserves.
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    LTK is #10 on my personal "Rank the Bond Pics" list.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Here is an interesting review I found of Kill which isn't so much critical of Dalton as the producers and writing:
    http://n007.thegoldeneye.com/ltk-review.html

    This review pretty much sums up what I didn't like about LTK from the beginning and why after all these years I still struggle to enjoy it as a Bond movie. There was something so darn cliché about a druglord as a villain, and the hero motivated by revenge after his friend got murdered (or, in this case, maimed). It has some great action scenes, the Bond girls are beautiful, Lupe Lamore is actually a great character... But I always had the feel that it was a Miami Vice episode with a British guy.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    As big of a shame it is that Dalton only did two movies, it's still pretty nice that he had big variety in them. One 'traditional' Bond movie (TLD) and one rogue movie that's not run of the mill (LTK)

    Total agreement. The two movies couldn't have been much more different from each other, and I SO appreciate it. If I want a touch of the classic Bond- TLD. If I want pure badass Bond- LTK.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    Oh and another thing, the bloke who plays Kelifer is TERRIBLE. Forget anything Pierce Brosnan ever did, this man is the master of hammy over-acting :)) :))
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    I couldn't find a license to kill dedicate thread, so forgive me .

    My DVD is the collector's addition so my box art is different , But...Is this License to kill DVD art for real ?

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    wouldn't that make this beautiful Casino Royale poster a rip off of that

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Skyfail wrote:
    I couldn't find a license to kill dedicate thread, so forgive me .

    My DVD is the collector's addition so my box art is different , But...Is this License to kill DVD art for real ?

    1314401-gf.jpg

    wouldn't that make this beautiful Casino Royale poster a rip off of that

    tumblr_mcf16l7x4h1rsdv65o1_1280.jpg

    No, it is vice versa. The horrid LTK cover was made for the new Blu-ray/DVD releases, while that CR poster has been around since before the film even hit theaters.
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    No, it is vice versa. The horrid LTK cover was made for the new Blu-ray/DVD releases, while that CR poster has been around since before the film even hit theaters.

    Oh!
    Didn't know that , Thanks :)

  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    If you look closely you can see that Dalton's face looks really digitalised/airbrushed. Craig's looks more authentic.
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