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Maybe not fantastic, but definitely strong and elevated by the other elements, including solid acting and good action scenes.
Go back and watch TWINE
It started with two great premises: Renaud who could not feel pain. They had this big buildup leading up to him and the only time we saw it was when he picked up a hot piece of coal. His fight with Bond was funny because for someone who could not feel pain he sure felt Bond's punches.
Other poorly executed premise was with Elektra. She was the principal villain and 'Bond had some feelings for her so killing her would have cause him some hesitation. It would have given Brozza a chance to show another side of Bond, a man with feelings and human feelings. Rather than just shoot her in cold blood (after he had all these conflicted feelings) just did not ring true.
It would have made more sense to have the showdown with Renaud and kill him first and save Elektra the principal for a final showdown with Bond. They could have had it done where they struggle for a weapon and in his hesitancy she gets the drop on him and before she kills him BANG! Elektra drops to the floor dead and we see M standing there holding a smoking gun. Bond would show some remorse but is relieved that M saved his life...
This would have carried more weight and would have resounded better.
This approach made more sense than the anticlimactic one we got in TWINE.
DAD is just a trainwreck and we won't rehash the many ways they blew it here.
TND they could have gotten more out of the Paris/Bond relationship rather than that stupid slap, silly dialogue and one sex scene. Stamper was too generic and could have been utilized better. They should not have killed Carver, been done too many times. Turn the asshole in and let him waste in prison.
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And how he didn't with Severine was cool, right?
do i think they threw Pierce under the bus? Not at all... like several others have said, i've never heard the producers speak outwardly negative about Pierce at all (the sour grapes seem to be all at his end).. i just think he was the victim of poor circumstances... as the producers themselves really were waffling back and forth on which direction to take the franchise.. and it wasn't until Pierce was done that they came to the realization that they needed to take a more grounded approach... something Pierce wanted - but something i never heard him champion until after his ties were cut with the franchise.
I think Pierce Brosnan can be carried by a movie, but never really carries it. Casting him as Bond was a great marketing decision, heck it might have contributed to saving the franchise, but it did contribute to create a creativity limbo, so to speak. Brosnan is an average actor, but he is even less a muse. But yes, you are right, the producers were mainly responsible to the lack of clear direction. But it had started, I think, with LTK.
Really atleast Brosnan doesnt do a Tarzan Yell
But i love both Goldeneye and Octopussy
He is that kind of actor that is actually in style of the cinema of the '30's and '40's and as such he is brilliant.
He could have gotten some more challenging scripts for his 007 movies but they did offer great fun after all.
He gets slated quite often over here.
Brosnan did not have the quality of the scripts Craig had, but he could have improved some of the material he worked on. I wouldn't have expect him to improve DAD, but he was the established Bond, he was popular, the viewers were ready to follow him so to speak, at some point he could have asked for some better dialogues, particularly in TND and TWINE, which could have been much better than they were.
He's a good actor (not the best actor to take the role but he's given some great performances in his career) who helped to put new life into the series and who helped to keep it going.
No his films weren't groundbreaking or arty but he bought Bond into the 90s and who I think starred in a classic Bond flick followed by two enjoyable movies (TWINE I especially rate highly) and a crap one. Not a bad track record really.
EON f***ed up royally with Die Another Day and Brosnan was the scapegoat for that, so when they changed the direction completely they ditched him (somebody on here made a brilliant comparison, it's like the FA sacking a manager). It's a shame because he deserved a FYEO for his last one, a good back to earth movie after DAD. Even if you don't like him his casting really helped the franchise so for that I think he deserved a better send off.
Brosnan's Bond was a cool, flashy, charismatic action hero who was extremely confident (bordering on cockyness), charming and watchable. If you're a miserable git, a Fleming purist or just not a fan of that style of Bond then fine, but I really liked his Bond and I think he gets bashed way too often on here.
Yeah, I haven't seen Lazenby or Moore in much outside of Bond at all. Daltons done some good films, Craig has also done some good movies and some good TV work (Our Friends In The North was fantastic, Layer Cake was good), but I think he's made some poor choices lately (Cowboys n Aliens was poor and that movie with his wife was meant to be pretty crap too).
Brosnan and Connery I think are the best when it comes to work outside of Bond. Connery's career is legendary and Brosnan has picked some very good films over the last 20 years or so (Thomas Crown, Madator, Ghost Writer, etc).
Well, yeah. It would have been stupid for Bond to fall in love with Severine. He knew her for 5 minutes. That's even more time than Brosnan spent looking at a computer monitor and falling in love with Elektra.
What I do feel though is that his scripts were let down with poor characters and writing. Don't forget, until GEYE, Bond wasn't around for 6 years so the first film was to see if the public still wanted Bond, the second to see if it was a fluke and the 3rd film, they seem to want to try and go the emotional route, but don't have the balls to go all of the way as the dye had been set. The 4th is just trying to pay a 40 year homage and turned out a step too far.
I don't think that BB and MGW had the confidence with GEYE to do what they did with CR and played it safe (especially after general public reaction to LTK). At least they acknowledged after DAD that they had to go in a different direction and by that time PB was too old for what they wanted.
Bonds go through different lifecycles (usually because of the actors age) and I'm sure that we'll have the same conversation again after DC.
People barely even know about the movie with his wife !
I haven't watched Cowboys though, Have been meaning to do so for a while.
It's called Dream House, and it's not that bad, but not great, either. I wouldn't classify that as a "poor choice" by Daniel or the other actors (Rachel Weisz and Naomi Watts being the other stars). The story seems quite interesting, the cast is good, and the director is of Oscar caliber (nominated several times) and has made some great movies. It was a case of the producing side shooting themselves in the foot, clashing with the director on set about the script and production. Eventually the director and the actors even refused to promote the product, none of them happy with it. If the people on the creative side of the equation had been left to make the movie they wanted and tried to make I'm sure it would have been a lot better, it certainly had potential.
If we're talking of post-being-cast-as-Bond time, I thought Defiance was fantastic, though, and Daniel is great in it. Tattoo and Flashbacks are good, too. And Tintin. :D
As for Pierce, I don't get the whole "fall guy" idea. He was a popular Bond, and is surely both more famous and richer than he'd otherwise be. What's to complain about (by him or his fans)? Not everyone liked him as Bond, but that happens with each new actor. Not everyone liked the movies, but that will always be the case, as well. Many people did/do like them, too. 4 Bond movies is not bad. It's not like he got unfairly kicked out after 1 or 2, or that he's been slagged off by the producers after he was gone, or anything, quite the contrary. He was successful as Bond - even if not to everyone's tastes, but no-one is - and made films that were successful - even if not to everyone's tastes, but none are. So... a fall guy? No.
MGW :P
The Girl with the dragon tattoo was Fantastic !
I wish , I just really wish Bond24 has the girl with the dragon tattoo vibe at the centre of the film.
That beautiful modern European feel , Just love it!