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Unanimous Opinions on Bond Films
The Bond fan community is home to a lot of strong opinions, one's least favorite film is often another's most treasured. One's favorite Bond Girl is often hated and despised by others. Thats the beauty of the Bond franchise though.
But what are some opinions on Bond films that you feel are, for the most part, unanimously agreed on by most James Bond fans? Although I've been a Bond fan for many years, I'm still new to the boards so I could be wrong on some of these but here are some opinions that I feel I never hear disagreements over or casting choices/character portrayals that are never spoken bad about.
Casting Choices
1 - Judi Dench as M
2 - Eva Green as Vesper
3 - Diana Rigg as Tracy di Vicenzo
4 - Lois Maxwell as Miss Moneypenny
5 - Desmond Llewelyn as Q
General Opinions
1 - The PTS of Diamonds are Forever is an unsatisfying followup to the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2 - Shirley Bassey did great things for the franchise
3 - Everyone loves the James Bond theme
4 - Honey Ryder is one of the most beautiful Bond Girls
What are some other opinions that are unanimously agreed on? And if I'm wrong on some of the ones I mentioned, please let me know.
But what are some opinions on Bond films that you feel are, for the most part, unanimously agreed on by most James Bond fans? Although I've been a Bond fan for many years, I'm still new to the boards so I could be wrong on some of these but here are some opinions that I feel I never hear disagreements over or casting choices/character portrayals that are never spoken bad about.
Casting Choices
1 - Judi Dench as M
2 - Eva Green as Vesper
3 - Diana Rigg as Tracy di Vicenzo
4 - Lois Maxwell as Miss Moneypenny
5 - Desmond Llewelyn as Q
General Opinions
1 - The PTS of Diamonds are Forever is an unsatisfying followup to the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2 - Shirley Bassey did great things for the franchise
3 - Everyone loves the James Bond theme
4 - Honey Ryder is one of the most beautiful Bond Girls
What are some other opinions that are unanimously agreed on? And if I'm wrong on some of the ones I mentioned, please let me know.
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The problem is, they are so vauge, even the public would agree with these choices. They say nothing about us as 'fans'.
I also can't think of anyone who thought Connery was a bad Bond. Overrated maybe, but I've never heard anyone say he was a crap James Bond.
What else we can all agree on? I offer:
a) A gun barrel is needed somewhere. ;)
b) The James Bond theme (M. Norman) should be somewhere in a Bond film, not just at beginning or end, I mean during scenes (a little or a lot is up for debate, but I think we all want it in the movie).
c) Christopher Walken's Zorin in AVTAK was a very good villain indeed. I don't think I have heard anyone say anything negative about that portrayal.
1.) Sean was a great Bond; the blueprint.
2.) Tracy (Diana Rigg) was great as a Bond girl in regards to her special affect on/relationship with Bond.
3.) Timothy Dalton gave a great Bond performance in his 2 films and was ahead of his time.
4.) FRWL is a classic Bond film.
Really, you must be leading a sheltered life I guess. There are those that adore TD and those that do not and I have read those opinions on both sides. So criticized yes, and Unanimous No way Jose.
TD is just too controversial to get no critism.
Honey coming out of the water and Jill in gold paint are the 2 most iconic Bond girl moments.
The hack and slash editing of QoS was an overall failure.
OHMSS is the best soundtrack of the series.
Connery's introduction of saying the name is the best and had the most cultural impact on global society.
I said "I" hadn't seen it criticized, not you or anyone else, and didn't imply that nobody ever on the face of this earth criticized Timothy as Bond in any way, shape or form.
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And it's rare (I said rare, not completely impossible) for me to find out many people saying that DN was a bad film, either Connery was the worst Bond ever.
Many people also say that Brosnan saved the franchise and even made many people - like me - to get deeper in the series, and turn into fans.
I also agree with @DarioOnatopp, that the James Bond theme is adored by every single fan.
Agreeing with @Brady about FRWL being classic. Well i mean, Every single Bond film from the 60's are classics. But mainly FRWL, yes.
Shirley Bassey made the Best Bond themes ever. My personal favourite's Goldfinger.
Desmond was obviously the best Q. Cleese made a great job, but he only did 2 films, so that is hard to be choosen.
About Judi Dench, not everyone liked her performance as M. She was great but everyone wanted a male M for the role. I loved her, and for me she's the second best M (Bernard Lee earns first place).
No one said DAF was bad. I said that I think it was generally agreed that the revenge of Tracy's death was handled poorly in the PTS.
And as far as Timothy Dalton goes, the opinion of him on this board is pretty high but I've seen a lot of James Bond rankings that bash him. Not that those should be taken seriously...
And who dares say something negative about Eva and Judi!
Oh. Well, I know that and I think i might agree, but i don't remember seeing any sight of him trying to get revenge for Tracy, although the attempt to kill Blofeld in the beggining says that for itself.
Tim made a great Job. He's now my 3rd Best Bond. He needed to make 2 more films, '91 and '93. I don't understand why didn't he earn more chances, i think that LTK is underrated because of its "gore" scenes, but i don't see any problem with them. However I may see that by '89 they really didn't accept that kind of agressivity specially in a Bond film, and i can't understand why.
Unfortunately there are many people that doesn't likes both. As i said above, Judi did an excellent job, but many people wanted a male M.
About Eva Green, just like @Brady, for me she was exceptionally excellent. But i don't know, not everyone liked her performance.
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Oh, I forgot to tell my opinion about Lois Maxwell. As Moneypenny, she did an excellent job, And for many original Fans, she's the best Moneypenny that was ever casted. I don't think that I'd ever find a fan that hates her, she brought the... Love, for many Bond films.
I can obviously say that I'm not an original fan. My favourite Moneypenny is Samantha Bond.
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There are many unanimous opinions about Bond films, but those are hard to be found. Unfortunately, there are people who doesn't likes one, two, three of the Bond actors (i liked all of them), or some Bond girls (The worst ones for me were Jynx, Xmas Jones, May day and Octopussy) and even Bond films (for me, the worst were DAD and Octopussy - Didn't please me that much, it had some horrible scenes). We need to think very much to choose many unanimous opinions on Bond films. Most parts of the world say a little quote that could fit in this thread, that "Not even God pleased everyone".
The only things here I can say are "universal" are the JB theme and Desmond as Q. Everything else, for me, is up for debate, including Judi, Shirley, and even Dalts.
Maybe it is. It doesn't have the strongest scenes for the whole franchise, but it's not ridiculous like OP. DAF is not that remindable when you think about Bond, or a classic Bond film, but it was good, For Me and maybe another couple of fans.
If DAF is tripe, so is SF.
Simplistic entertainment is just that, fun. To expect or demand 'realism' from a Bond movie is to invite disaster.
Yeah, MR was too far, but the pendulum swings both ways.
OHMSS was excellent period entertainment; DAF was as well, but to demand a serious and detailed continuity there is just daft IMO.
It's show business.
Yes and yes. Although GF was my first, so I'll always have some sort of special love for it. But Luciana's performance as Fiona was nothing short of amazing.
No, to you it is nonsense. Comparing Skyfall to DAF is just an absolute insult to the former. Skyfall is full of intelligent symbolism and powerful eloquence while DAF is everything you wouldn't expect a diamond to be: imperfect, lusterless, chipped to no end. It is an absolute disgrace to the film that came before, in which there was so much promise set for the future of the franchise. I, or nobody else who love Skyfall are demanding any kind of supreme realism from the Craig era as you so wonderfully misinterpret time and time again. These films are not Oscar bait and will never have tight scripts with absolutely no plot holes or head scratching moments, and we understand that. The great thing about the Craig era is that you can have little hints of realism yet get the same amount of escapism where you see amazing things that can only happen in the world of Bond. We don't expect to see only things that can happen in reality, and are fully open to any and all fun that the films bring, which Skyfall does. It seems that you, someone who says realism shouldn't be in a Bond film has been criticizing the film for just that: its lack of so called plausibility. Take your own advice and have fun with the film instead of nit-picking every single thing it contains. It did what DAF failed so miserably at: keeping a consistent tone that didn't compromise itself or the previous films in its era while still having fun and giving us a kind of thrill that only Bond can.
FRWL is more worthy of that title in my mind. It beats GF without the DB5, and all the Bond trademarks that started in 1964.
Are there any other things we can consider to be unanimous amongst us fans?
Maybe one more from me: The theme song is important and should be incorporated throughout the film, however subtly.
James Bond is here to stay, and we'll still be having adventures with him in a hundred years time.
Outside of fandom and it all changes.
I liked the editing in QoS especially in the PTS, just saying
But definitive I would have to agree with a previous post and your post that:
The db5 is the iconic bond car
The gun barrel should be in the movie in some form or another Y
I too liked the editing.
There are a few opinions which come close (Connery, Craig, GF, the DB5), but with just my feelings alone towards each one, alone, makes them not loved by everyone.