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Casino Royale uncut and rated '15' for UK 50th Anniversary box set

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    OK, my eyesight is going! The five of Spades it is, not seven! I don't care. Not one bit. ;) (No, it's not working...)
  • KanangaKananga
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Will any other films have their ratings changed or is that it now?

    No other films set to be upped to a 12 from a PG rating?

    I think Live & Let Die will get a 12 rating.

  • Theblack007Theblack007
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    Ben wrote:
    Does anyone know why there is no commentary on the two Craig films and no deleted scenes on the DVD?

    There are deleted scenes on the Casino Royale Deluxe DVD (the full uncut "Cricket Match" PTS etc) and seeing as Quantum of Solace is the shortest Bond movie ever, there HAS to be loads of deleted scenes. We know for definite that Marc Foster cut the "Bond, James Bond" line and of course- a major deleted scene from Quantum of Solace was Mr.White shooting Guy Haines. This clip shows the end of the QoS video game which includes the original (but deleted) ending of the movie.... but right at the end of the clip, there is brief deleted footage of the filming of the actual scene with Jesper Christenson.....

  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    Just to let people know, annoyingly/amazingly the US edition is the previously CUT PG-13 version. Plus, the extras found on the Deluxe Edition are NOT on the Bond 50 set.
    A real sham, I feel.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The edition of CR I have on blu-ray (didn't bring it up to college, but it's the Ultimate/Deluxe/Collector's, what have you, edition) had some excellent special features and all the deleted scenes. It's a real shame they aren't all like this. QoS didn't come with a single deleted scene.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2012 Posts: 13,355
    GavSalkeld wrote:
    Just to let people know, annoyingly/amazingly the US edition is the previously CUT PG-13 version. Plus, the extras found on the Deluxe Edition are NOT on the Bond 50 set.
    A real sham, I feel.

    Unbelievable. I'm now even more pleased I didn't buy the Bond 50 set.
  • phuyuckphuyuck
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    GavSalkeld wrote:
    Not sure what you mean "set to be upped". Nothing is set, the BBFC only makes that decision if the company resubmits a film for classification. We don't know until they review it.

    Most of the earlier films have passed at the same level (including Thunderball, which surprised me). GoldenEye has retained its ridiculous '15' rating, as has Licence to Kill. Both are uncut, as per the UE DVDs. Unless we see a proper uncut Quantum of Solace, I think that's the only one that we can hope to see uncut. And whatever happened to Marc Foster's alternate version that was apparently coming?

    According to the latest BBFC podcast, Diamonds are Forever (same cut as before) has been moved up from PG to 12 because of the bikini throttling scene at the beginning.

    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/node/408381
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    I would not mind getting the uncut version at all!
  • AliAli
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    I thought all the set was 12 bar License To Kill? Casino Royale and Quantum are definitely 12s.
  • RC7RC7
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    Anyone else think the cricket match is a bit 'Midsomer Murders' (TV drama for non-brits). I think it was a good move to cut it. Fun to see as an extra though.
  • JimThompson45JimThompson45
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    RC7 wrote:
    Anyone else think the cricket match is a bit 'Midsomer Murders' (TV drama for non-brits). I think it was a good move to cut it. Fun to see as an extra though.
    I do agree it was a good cut. That said, there are other bits that got left out I very much enjoyed and think added to the movie.

  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    JimThompson45 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Anyone else think the cricket match is a bit 'Midsomer Murders' (TV drama for non-brits). I think it was a good move to cut it. Fun to see as an extra though.
    I do agree it was a good cut. That said, there are other bits that got left out I very much enjoyed and think added to the movie.

    The ommission of the cricket scene was a worthy cut, it really didn't add to the sequence and if anything is rather jarring. CR, like SF seemed to be nipped and tucked a fair bit throughout, with little scenes and moments ending up on the cutting room floor as well as bigger more expansive scenes. Personally, I think its a great loss that Bond and Mathis in the hospital didn't make it into the final cut, Bond trying to grab the scissors and failing is a really great moment, so its a shame that it wasn't considered worthy.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Oh CR, where oh where is a definitive version of all you have to offer? :-<
  • Tobester95Tobester95
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    phuyuck wrote:
    GavSalkeld wrote:
    Not sure what you mean "set to be upped". Nothing is set, the BBFC only makes that decision if the company resubmits a film for classification. We don't know until they review it.

    Most of the earlier films have passed at the same level (including Thunderball, which surprised me). GoldenEye has retained its ridiculous '15' rating, as has Licence to Kill. Both are uncut, as per the UE DVDs. Unless we see a proper uncut Quantum of Solace, I think that's the only one that we can hope to see uncut. And whatever happened to Marc Foster's alternate version that was apparently coming?

    According to the latest BBFC podcast, Diamonds are Forever (same cut as before) has been moved up from PG to 12 because of the bikini throttling scene at the beginning.

    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/node/408381

    So just in case a 7 year old is lucky enough to pause it on the one frame in which there's a flash of nipple, a whole rating up?

    Bart Simpson's penis is fully exposed and emphasised for about 5 seconds in The Simpsons Movie for goodness sake. (Rated PG)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Tobester95 wrote:
    phuyuck wrote:
    GavSalkeld wrote:
    Not sure what you mean "set to be upped". Nothing is set, the BBFC only makes that decision if the company resubmits a film for classification. We don't know until they review it.

    Most of the earlier films have passed at the same level (including Thunderball, which surprised me). GoldenEye has retained its ridiculous '15' rating, as has Licence to Kill. Both are uncut, as per the UE DVDs. Unless we see a proper uncut Quantum of Solace, I think that's the only one that we can hope to see uncut. And whatever happened to Marc Foster's alternate version that was apparently coming?

    According to the latest BBFC podcast, Diamonds are Forever (same cut as before) has been moved up from PG to 12 because of the bikini throttling scene at the beginning.

    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/node/408381

    So just in case a 7 year old is lucky enough to pause it on the one frame in which there's a flash of nipple, a whole rating up?

    Bart Simpson's penis is fully exposed and emphasised for about 5 seconds in The Simpsons Movie for goodness sake. (Rated PG)

    Its not that hard now with DVD. Back in the day I had a nightmare of a time trying to do it on VHS though!
  • phuyuckphuyuck
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    Tobester95 wrote:
    phuyuck wrote:
    GavSalkeld wrote:
    Not sure what you mean "set to be upped". Nothing is set, the BBFC only makes that decision if the company resubmits a film for classification. We don't know until they review it.

    Most of the earlier films have passed at the same level (including Thunderball, which surprised me). GoldenEye has retained its ridiculous '15' rating, as has Licence to Kill. Both are uncut, as per the UE DVDs. Unless we see a proper uncut Quantum of Solace, I think that's the only one that we can hope to see uncut. And whatever happened to Marc Foster's alternate version that was apparently coming?

    According to the latest BBFC podcast, Diamonds are Forever (same cut as before) has been moved up from PG to 12 because of the bikini throttling scene at the beginning.

    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/node/408381

    So just in case a 7 year old is lucky enough to pause it on the one frame in which there's a flash of nipple, a whole rating up?

    Bart Simpson's penis is fully exposed and emphasised for about 5 seconds in The Simpsons Movie for goodness sake. (Rated PG)

    The problem they had wasn't so much to do with nudity, PG guidelines allow for brief, mild nudity. The problem was more that it constituted an act of sexual violence, tearing women's clothes off is one thing but using the clothes to strangle them takes it to another level. It marks how attitudes have changed since the early seventies (something we hear quite a lot at the moment with regard to the Jimmy Savile scandal at the BBC). Some aspects are treated more leniently by governing bodies: License to Kill had to be edited to even make the 15 category in the 80s but now the uncut version sits quite comfortably in the category. At the same time, scenes that feature objectionable treatment of women like the one in DAF are now being pushed up a certificate. In the podcast they speak of how the scene is often cut when it is shown on television during the day, another indicator of whether the PG certificate is appropriate.
  • TomLockPhotoTomLockPhoto
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    I have both copies of Casino Royale. The Original Blu Ray (supposedly cut) has a running time of approx 144 mins. The one from the Daniel Craig box set has a running time of approx 138 mins. How so if it is supposed to be uncut? I have watched both torture scenes and there seems to be no difference and the running time of the scene is the same on both copies, yet the box set copy has still been up rated to 15. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It's likely one is a Region 2/B PAL version, meaning the films runs at 24 frames per second instead of the standard 25. This means the film is over in 96% of the original time, so 138 minutes instead of 144.
  • TomLockPhotoTomLockPhoto
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    The only difference I can see in the torture scenes is the rope over the shoulder and Le Shiffre saying, "Such a waste".
  • TomLockPhotoTomLockPhoto
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    How that makes it unsuitable for 12, 13 or 14 year olds, I don't know!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Those are the only real differences between the two. It must be due to implied violence.
  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    It's likely one is a Region 2/B PAL version, meaning the films runs at 24 frames per second instead of the standard 25. This means the film is over in 96% of the original time, so 138 minutes instead of 144.

    There is no PAL/NTSC issue with Blu-ray. Its a standard at 24fps worldwide - the original framerate. Unless its UK TV material, which is 25fps.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2013 Posts: 13,355
    Oops! Of course not. What could @TomLockPhoto's problem be then? One BD running for less time than the other?
  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    Did you just check the cover, Tom, or did you actually put both discs in to confirm the running times? Many covers have incorrect running times printed on them by accident.
  • josiahjosiah
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    @GavSalkeld Hi there, new user here from the U.S. searching for a completely uncut (none of the MPAA or BBFC edits to torture scene) region free version of Casino Royale on blu ray. I wanted to ask if you had one of the UK blu rays with the 15 rating and if you do if I might trouble you for region information from the back cover. I've looked all over the web and can't seem to find images of the back cover of this release.
  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    I can confirm the 15-rated UK 50th anniversary release (with the gold 007 lettering on the front) is fully uncut and Region Free. It will play on any Blu-ray player. More information with video comparisons here:

    http://melonfarmers.co.uk/bbfc_cuts_casino_royale.htm
  • josiahjosiah
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    Thank you very much! Does anyone happen to know if the Sept. 2015 individual UK blu ray release of Casino Royale with the gold 007 lettering, 15 rating and Ultraviolet is also region free?
  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    I would expect so, yes. The only 15-rated version that has ever been classified has no MPAA or BBFC cuts, i.e. it matches the so-called "R-rated version" that first appeared on the Hong Kong R3 DVD all those years ago. Ten years! Where did the time go?
  • josiahjosiah
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    Alright. Thank you so much! The newer ultraviolet version is about half the cost so I just wanted to double check and make sure it's merely a repackaging of the 50th anniversary and still region free.
  • GavSalkeldGavSalkeld
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    I cannot vouch for it being Region Free but I see no reason why they would suddenly change it.
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