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If I'm not mistaken, John Logan did a major rewrite of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade's original screenplay. It was John Logan who put the memorable entrance of Silva in the film. Also the 'homo-erotic' moment between Bond and Silva was his call. The entire rat story....that was Logan's work.
Moreover, the last several Bond films were written on a basis by Purvis and Wade, which means a) P&W must have some value, and b) we don´t know yet if any of the writers who did the final drafts is able to come up with a complete usable plot all on their own.
For instance "I thought Christmas comes only once a year" in TWINE. I was like....uhm.....ha...ha.....ha :-S
Good points. Sean had very natural delivery with his jokes and well, Roger is basically an honorary member of the One-liner Brigade, if not Commander in Chief of the lot.
1. Agree on gunbarrel
2. Reference to Spectre, or establish a lineage to Quantum, return of Quantum
3. Bond in "Q"s lab, a few devices, Q relents "field duty" requires
4. Return of the DB5, presented to Bond, rebuilt to Mi6 specs, and a new Aston Martin for daily driving, Mi6 specs, of course
5. Mission introduction in "m"s office
Just saw the "detective work" comment. I like the idea In CR, breaking into a lab TND
No so sure about Bloefeld, but a lineage, reference or relative
I love those 'lab break in' scenes. My favourite must be 'Moonraker'. It's perhaps one of the finest moments of that film. Bond's look on his face when those doctors die and not those rats....priceless.
Brutal violent fight scenes that last at least more than 30 seconds
Less location hopping and time spent to soak up the atmosphere and the culture of decided locations
Bond to seemingly enjoy his job. More of the relaxed attitude he shows like when he and Cesper check in to the hotel in CR and in SF when he's bantering with Eve just before Bond meets up with M and Mallory
Girls girls girls. Bond needs to get his end in as often as possible, especially with the Femme Fatales. Bond is a free agent, he enjoys the pleasures if sex, lets see him bang his way through a few women.
Oh FFS.
Actually, what is connected to a bald guy in the old films is... that bald guy in the old films. I doubt many moviegoers make the connection between the spoofed image and the name Blofeld.
And no matter who put those lines into the script originally, it should be the job of the final writer/polisher to notice and correct them.
I've seen this so many times on here.
"But Brosnan was worse, right guys! Remember how bad he was!"
Cheesey one liners from the Brosnan era have nothing to do with the topic at hand (SF's dialogue). It's a piss poor argument and I think when you resort to saying "but it's not as bad as X or Y!" you lose any credibility you had in the debate.
It's like saying Batman Forever is a good film because it's not Batman And Robin.
Wow man, take it easy. This is my opinion okay? I just disagree with the fact that certain lines in Skyfall were bad. A line like "How the hell did they get in our system" is pretty normal I think. If I were 'M' sitting in that car I would bloody say the same!!
One thing that really irritated me were the cheesy oneliners in the Brosnan films. They just didn't seem 'natural'. From the mouths of Moore, Connery and hell even Craig in Skyfall they sounded a bit more believable.
That's my opinion okay? To say that I lost any credibility in this debate is just preposterous. Man, just learn to agree to disagree okay? :-S . I respect your opinion, which I'm not agreeing to, and you respect mine. It's as simple as that.
And please, get back on topic okay? This is a Thomas Newman appreciation topic. Come and give some arguments like.......what should Newman improve for Bond 24? Should he get more creative freedom?
Nah. I don't think it is. When you end up resorting to saying "but it's not as bad as this!", I think that shows you have a weak argument and in my eyes you lost any credibility you had in that debate.
Cracking two one liners in a row after stepping on a CGI komodo dragon to escape some goons. The epitome of believable ;)
No it's not.
I really don't have an issue with the dialog in Skyfall; the lines did not seem out of place to me.
Me neither. None of the Craig movie so far had lines that I cringed at.
2) Opening gunbarrel.
3) The Bond theme used when needed, and not just one or two notes.
4) Spy Thriller tone, and no kitchen sink-y drama please. Might that be counted as two? If so, i'll choose the former for #4.
5) A good Bond vs ? fight.
A lot of Eve's had me wincing. I'm still flabbergasted at how wooden some of her delivery is. The worst of the bunch being, 'VW Beetles... I think'. I feel like she spent most of the film 'acting'. It didn't help that she shared scenes with Craig, Fiennes, Dench etc who all inhabit their roles and are never caught short, whatever dialogue they're given.
I agree heartily, although I would say 'its some sort of sadistic game' is her worst delivery although its not the greatest line in the first place. Odd because she's got a decent CV behind her but I suppose it was easy to be overawed given the company she was keeping on SF. Will we get as good a cast for B24? Will be very difficult.
If M would have said something like, "where the **** did that come from" I wouldn´t nag at all, but she sounds as if she couldn´t believe that someone could crack MI6´ firewall.
The amount of various ideas he expressed don´t really sound like lack of creative freedom. Several action cues resembling Zimmer quite closely sounds more like that lack. He should use his own talent more in such scenes. Action cues don´t have to hammer about like when Bond tackles Severine´s bodyguards in the casino. Instead they could benefit from a little more identity.
Basically he should explore ideas a bit more. For example, in the Shanghai sequence, up until the scene where Bond and Severine glance at one another across the street, Newman hops from one musical topic to the next, alltogether I count six musical tracks so completely different from each other as if the intention were to disrupt the flow of the sequence. He should use one or more elements that bind all the music of one sequence together.
And it doesn´t hurt a film if musical themes or ideas are repeated throughout the film. Beside the Bond theme, and also beside the M mourning theme that sounds more at home in an American military drama than in a British secret agent flic.
C, the real head of MI6, had his picture uploaded on Facebook by his daughter. He didn't see that one coming either. I think such an important breach of security would pretty much bring disbelief and surprise. Every place is vulnerable, but no government official would like to think so.
Anyway. What would I like? Off the top of my head...
1. Big grand adventure. TSWLM/TB etc. Proper world toppling plot with the patented modern/DC spin.
2. You can reboot Blofeld for that. Christophe Waltz being today's casting choice
3. Exotic foreign locales after SF's (nice) homespun drama for contrast. How about Africa?
4. Some unique decent tech/hardware (large or small) for a Q/action scene
5. gunbarrell upfront. Obviously
Oh and if they can work up another thrilling PTS to rival the SF one....magic!
The only counter-argument I'd suggest is that Fiennes is starting to make his name as a director and, after a very successful debut feature, his next film is apparently getting very positive notices. If Fiennes continues with this new career he may have limited time to act in Bond. I agree that he will certainly be given a more complex and interesting role than Lee and Brown but he might not necessarily have as much screen time as Dench.
Yes. Danjaq / MGM now has the rights to all of the Bond films. I wouldn't expect them to revisit SPECTRE at all though.
2. Gun barrel in the middle of the movie.
3. An opening
4. A middle (with GB)
5. An End
But not necessarily in this order...
Would like to see him back