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Where Would You Rank 'RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK' If Placed In The Bond Series?
Having recently watched Raiders for the first time recently in a couple of years, it got me thinking. I'm sure we've all done our own list of ranking all 23 Bonds films from first to last, but if you were to put Raiders into that list, where would it come?
I placed it 3rd on my list behind TSWLM and GF.
I placed it 3rd on my list behind TSWLM and GF.
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As Indiana Jones was born out of Spielberg's desire to direct a Bond film and clearly many of it's influences stem from Bond (pre-credits type sequence, romantic interest, exciting set pieces etc), I was just wondering how the quality of the film itself stacks up against Bond films.
Is it better than For Your Eyes Only (released in the same year) or is it worse than From Russia With Love for instance.
My thoughts exactly. Not a big Indy fan, though I have them on DVD, strangely.
Funny, Last Crusade is probably my favourite of the original three - though not seen the new one or very much of Temple of Doom which didn't seem too great either. I really need to sit down and watch them all in a row at some point.
I can save you the trouble with Crystal Skull. Just think of DAD, but with even worse special effects!
Really? That does sound bad...
How do they get around Indy's invincibility from the Last Crusade. That was always meant to hold the new 4th film back, was it not? Is it dealt with at all in Crystal Skull?
If I remember correctly, the Knight says to Indy "the Grail cannot pass beyond the Great Seal. That is the boundary and the price of immortality". So I'm guessing that eternal life was confined to that cave, which if you ask me doesn't seem like much fun.
I would have to say it would be certainly top 5. Probably top 3. It really is a phenomenal action film and sadly it was very blinkered of Cubby not to hire Spielberg in the late 70's.
The first half of Raiders is pretty damn good but the second half really cranks it up with the iconic well of souls, the epic punch up with Pat Roach and then one of the best set pieces of all time. The final reel is a bit of a come down after that but overall (and speaking objectively) there are very few Bond films that can hold a candle to Raiders - only OHMSS, FRWL and CR in terms of the overall film and perhaps TSWLM, OP and GE in terms of action/adventure.
If Raiders isnt in your top ten list of action films you really dont have a clue what you are talking about.
I agree with you for the most part. The last paragraph could be deemed as a tad harsh
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Not really. Name 10 better action films.
I don't think that's harsh at all. Raiders is one of the archetypal action/adventure films. It's pretty much seamless and an almost flawless blueprint for the genre.
Where would you rank it up against Bond films? I put only TSWLM and GF above it.
Yeah but I'm sick of idiots being let off the hook with this get out of jail free card of 'I'm entitled to my opinion.' Why can't we name and shame the cretinous by telling them they are just plain wrong?
As RC7 its pretty much flawless and the blueprint for how an action film should be - simple A to B storytelling with people chasing a Macguffin and no pissing about with fancy editing or arty shots (I'm looking at you Marc Forster). It's close to perfection. Taking my Bond hat off for a minute it's difficult to say that any Bond film actually tops it.
The real shame is that Spielberg was gagging to do Bond and Cubby binned him off.
The true genius of Spielberg is seen in this and Jaws and not the more earnest material he has won Oscars for, the 2 greatest blockbusters of all time period.
That sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to me.
I'd be hard pushed to disagree with this sentiment. I'd also add E.T. and Jurassic Park to the mix. For a director to make one of these films is impressive, to make four is beyond human.
1. Raiders (IJ1), my #3 movie of all time.
2. CR, my #7...
3. Last Crusade (IJ3), my #13...
4. GF, #21...
5. FRWL, #33...
6. SF, #36...
7. GE, #56...
8. DN, #60...
9. Temple (IJ2), #76...
10. TB, #77...
11. Crystal Scull (IJ4), #85 (sorry IJ4 haters, but I enjoy any plot with Indiana Jones or James Bond.
12. TSWLM, #92...
Yep, you guessed it, I've got my fav 100 movies ranked.
That said, as a series, Bond is vastly superior to Jones given the scope, longevity & adaptation to the eras in which they were made.
Yes I'd pretty much go along with that. I enjoy TSWLM and GF more but that's probably more out of sentiment being they were 2 of the first 3 Bond films I ever watched. Raiders was as good as it got for Indy though. The following films paled by comparison.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you are rating Indy and the Crystal Skull above OHMSS and TLD?
I'm not about to lay into anyone for saying Raiders might be better than all of the Bond films but this is mental.
I wondered this also. But I'm tired and don't have the energy to tear @socaljon3 a new one.
Glad to see you on message at last!
Have you seen That Man From Rio ?
Well kind of. There is no right or wrong to this type of debate. It's purely a matter of taste, irrespective of whether anyone agrees with us or not. As I said, I personally love Raiders. I consider it Spielberg's best film (after Jaws) but I don't have a problem with those people who don't like it. It doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. There is no right or wrong, it's purely subjective.
Plus wouldn't the world be so boring if we all liked and disliked the same things? It's what makes for interesting debate ;-)