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I actually like how Bond deals with him in the end. Throwing him a can of oil and stranding him in the desert - a fate worse than death indeed. Definitely made a change to killing him in some quirky manner.
Yes, I hoped that this would be how he would have dealt with him - and Vesper's boyfriend. The QoS Bond had definitely learned something at the end of the film - he'd learned his lesson from CR, if you will.
Agreed. And we should not judge a villain necessarily on his fighting skills. Greene was not meant to be a fighter. Neither was Kronsteen, Klebb or Goldfinger. Are they bad villains because of this? You can't have more villainous than Kronsteen.
And, while Gustav Graves was meant to be a trained army officer with psychotic tendencies, so theoretically a very capable fighter able to give it to Bond as good as he got, in the sword fight he was a petulant child throwing a tantrum and afterwards he needed a ridiculous RoboCop suit to be somewhat dangerous... which made him look more ridiculous than menacing.
Good call there. People often mistake Greene for being bland, and perhaps he was, but he was supposed to be that way. He represented the same sort of bland corporate villain that as someone who I can't recall pointed out, is the tapeworm in the digestive tract of society. These guys aren't usually tough guys either and Greene again was never supposed to be. Their influence, much like Greene's here, is subtle and calculating. This is why I expect so much more from a megalomaniac like Drax and Graves, and felt that I got much more from the likes of Curt Jurgens as Stromberg. I'd even favor Pryce as Carver to Lonnie and Stevie.
Yes, Greene was conceived as a slimy politician type ("...he should not be looking at me") with a royal/dictator complex. He was a mix of Tony Blair and Sarkozy and he probably never fought he would have to fight anyone at all, let alone Bond. He had his armed guards and henchmen for that...and Elvis. Greene was like a World War I General 90 miles from the frontline - he didn't want or need to get his hands dirty as he had plenty of others to do that for him. Greene was an attempt at a different kind of villain and in that I think Eon very much succeeded. Well done to them, I say.
Well, it didn't help that the script was in part written by director Marc Forster and star actor Daniel Craig - and writers they were not. Blame the 2008 Writer's Strike for the script deficiencies in QoS - it's the "in" thing to do, isn't it?
The problem from my point of view was the basic plot wasn't sound to begin with and even without the writer's strike I'm not sure it would have been enough to turn it into a great film. Heck, they could have had another year to work on the script and the end result may not have been much different. But I guess that's one for the "if only's" now.
Well, yes the plot is not "crystal clear water" if you will, quite apart from anything else.
It's why I'm pleased to see a three year gap between films. I know we all want the next film to be released ASAP but I'd rather have an additional year added to production if it means getting the story and script right. Nothing more disappointing than looking forward to a new film only for it to be fail your expectations.
Well, Skyfall and your personal favourite The Spy Who Loved Me certainly benefited from this, so I agree. It will at least be worth the wait. No need to rush this time around.
Oh, the list of QOS' faults go past the scripting, I found the flash cutting even worse and mostly because it wasn't even original plus antithetical to how a Bond movie should be filmed. I completely understand why people thoroughly enjoy parts of QOS and skip over other parts. In QOS' case it would have been better to regroup and have an extra year, but if Forster hadn't decided to throw out P&W's script and change the angle from going after Kabira first rather than last, they could have easily worked around the strike. That's not to speak in favor of a 3 year gap creatively, as when you are writing ahead of the filming with a purpose and goal in mind as Logan has been doing, the extra year isn't necessary. It obviously didn't work for DAD. WHY we're waiting the extra year is nothing more to me than the logistics and desires of those in charge to have it that way.
That would have been the perfect end to the perfect movie.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
I disagree on that. I can very well imagine that the original script by P&W was better than the actual film. In an interview they recently said that DAD was 'grittier on the page'. Tamahori wanted many changes. The tsunami-surfing was his idea, for example. The whole showdown was changed, too.
I also think that a good writer can solely write a good script. If you trust the one vision of only one director, why not trust the artistic vision of one writer? Tom Mankiewicz wrote LALD alone for example, and it's a good script.
Yes, indeed. I stand corrected. It seems Lee Tamahori was more to blame - he of the dreaded codename theory!
I like Severance, despite the presence of Danny 'Facking' Dyer. (If you haven't heard Mark Kermode's impersonation of him, it's sublime).
Hollywood hates screenwriters, but loves directors. That's why there are so many crap films. You write a bad film and you don't work for years, if at all. You direct a bad film and you blame it on the screenwriter. Direct a good film however and it's all down to your creative genius and nothing to do with the writer who slaved away in a darkened room for the best part of a year. It seems to be changing but it's still much easier for a hot-shot music video director, or visual effects artist to blag their way to a directing gig, than it is for a talented writer to get a single line in a script.
I think you may be onto something there, but James Bond films, as I said earlier on this forum are very much written by committee - scriptwriters, directors, producers, actors etc.
Oh certainly, I forgot my note to say that my comment wasn't necessarily a defence of P+W ;)
I was always fascinated, and still am, at the process of making a Bond during the Cubby and Harry era.
Yes, TSWLM was a Bond film written by committee like none other!
The problem from my point of view was the basic plot wasn't sound to begin with and even without the writer's strike I'm not sure it would have been enough to turn it into a great film. Heck, they could have had another year to work on the script and the end result may not have been much different. But I guess that's one for the "if only's" now.
There was nothing wrong with the plot for "QUANTUM OF SOLACE". I found it twenty times better than that piece of crap called "SKYFALL". My problem with "QoS" is that the running time was too short and the pacing was too fast in the movie's first half.