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Really cool to learn all that about Flair, Undertaker, and Hogan. But for my money, you can't beat what Hogan did. He became the biggest name in wrestling twice over, in wildly different roles, in different companies, in separate decades, and revolutionized the business both times. When he returned to the WWF after years in WCW, they still rooted for him over the company's greatest hero. You just can't match that.
I'd heard a lot of negative things about Slick Ric, so it's great to hear about a much nicer side of him.
On a semi-related note, what do you think about DDP's work with Jake the Snake and Scott Hall, and for that matter, the recent interview of Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart, where he was clearly as high as a kite and twitching and sweating and rambling?
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Hogan has to be the luckiest wrestler ever born in my opinion. There is no denying he has an incredible amount of personal charisma in front of the camera and legions of fans like no other, what I am saying is that this by default does not make the greatest "wrestler". I draw the line between "wrestling" and "entertainment".
If you go back to the roots of Hogan's career, you find just another large, jacked up on steroids wrestler working for regional promotions. Quite common during that point in time. His interviews didn't give away the natural charisma he possessed and obviously that OTT larger than life persona had to be developed. The popularity of Stallone but more so the genius of Vince McMahon Jr in making stars out of certain talents are what made Hogan what he became and is today. Creatively speaking, he is not the genius he appears to be.
History tells us that Vince Sr more or less let Hogan go because he took the role of "Thunderlips" against his wishes. At that point he went to wrestle for the old AWA but the notoriety didn't lead the promotion to big success. Enter Vince Jr. This is the real reason Hogan gained the fame he did, Vince is the greatest genius in the history of the sport, and Hogan would have never reached the heights he did without Vince recognizing he could capitalize on the notoriety and was the guy he wanted. Vince's marketing and character development skills made Hogan what he is. That carried over to WCW.
Flair was the most well known NWA/WCW wrestler, but was he the "hero"? No. He was a heel and it was good for business to have Hogan win their first televised match (they had worked against each other on some West Coast house shows when Flair made his first appearances with the then WWF in 1991). Eventually he had to give the win back to Flair which shows how equally important Flair was to WCW. They tried Hogan's approach with Sting and it failed. It was a wise move for Bischoff to bring in Hogan to fill that role, and only natural to put him over everyone else because he had proven he could carry the ball and had the recognition to do so. That's how they were able to compete with Vince at the time. When he got stale there, and he did, they turned him heel and his loyal fans bit hook, line, and sinker. One thing you have to remember about Hogan is that once he got his fame, he also gained an unheard of amount of creative control about who he "beat" and who he "lost" to that allowed him to all but hold the promoter a hostage of sorts. With the exception of his pals, Bischoff being one of them by the way and coincidentally in control of WCW at the time, his reputation in the business is not a good one. You have to understand that he has his faults which cannot be ignored in a honest examination. Yes, he put asses in seats, but he also is responsible for hurting the careers of a lot of guys for his own benefit and a lot of the boys resent and dislike him a great deal for it.
By contrast, Ric Flair would put guys over whenever asked. It's called "selling". Ric would have TV squash matches and let the jobber get the upper hand to get the fans to root for the upset. He treated everyone with respect and gave everyone the chance to shine in his spotlight. This is also why he's held a championship title more times than anyone and why he is so beloved within the industry, because of his lack of selfishness. Vince Jr adores him. He "made" way more guys than he ever hurt. Some of the boys didn't like his booking and his perceptions of them, but that number pales in comparison to Hogan. Part of what comes with being the being the booker, you can't please everyone. Flair always said what he thought and didn't sabotage anyone behind their backs which is why his rep is the better one. Most of the negatives about Ric nowadays have come from his recent actions outside of the business. They aren't consistent with the man I knew. It's sad to hear. There is a very generous and good soul underneath.
I know some of the older guys swear by DDP and the yoga he does and teaches. All of those you mention have inflicted a lot of damage to themselves and their reputations in the business. I wish them well in their recovery.
I saw a bit of one of the shows on Sky Sports a week or so ago when I was channel surfing. The women are as fit as ever.
Sure sounds like it is.
More tabloid BS is it?
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/84901/how-much-of-hollywood-is-pumping-hgh-duh-probably-a-lot-of-Hollywood
Jackman was already a Hollywood star so (if it is true, and I have no idea how reliable Hollywood reporter are), it's either Craig or Butler.
Thank you once again for the all the great wrestling info, SirHenry. There's a great wrestling community that I know of that could always use more men like you.
EDIT: It wasn't first in the Reporter but in a gossip site called blindgossip.
Butler is not an A lister to me.
I thought Jackman was already in the big time.
I really hope it is not Daniel Craig; this whole HGH doesn't sit well with me.
Any other possible names, please?
Here's the link: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-steroid-use-a-list-609091
The only other actor who is A list I can think of is...Jason Statham...but it is obvious who they pointing to....
And how reliable is this we think?
I hope it is Butler, if at all true.
Addictive fun.
10th anniversary.....I miss Charlie :(
Me too. I just discovered his movies. He's my favorite actor of all time. :(
Is that right? Isn't it crazy when we have feelings like that after only just getting into an actor that was already well established and unfortunately dead before we found them? I feel about Humphrey Bogart as you feel about Bronson. I only discovered his films a couple of years ago, yet he is now one of my absolute favorite actors/people of all time, and will remain in my heart forever.
Yes. His Death Wish movies and other classic action movies of the 1980's inspired my Bruce Murdock series. He usually plays the underdog who overcomes impossible odds and always destroys evil.
Stallone swears by it and look at him at his age. Tell tale signs are hair loss...take a look at DC at the announcement conference to when he appeared on screen for the first time. I refuse to believe that 250g of protein a day and six hour work outs give you a body like that in that timespan.
Van damme says he is clean and it took him 10 years to build up to his physique...you goto wonder how DC, Jackman, Reynolds, Evans do it. And of course we all know what the Rock is cooking'.
On a psychological basis it seems unlikely to me too: Craig depends far more on his acting abillities then his looks. Again, unlike the two mentioned above. Even more so, Craig stopped smoking, so he knows what addictions do to you. He's uite intelligent. Would a guy like that take the risk of another addiction? I think that's highly unlikely. For me it doesn't fit in with his personallity, as far as you can make any judgement on that from so far away.
Completely agree with you!