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The most consensual Bond movie
Which Bond movie is, according to you, the most consensual? By this I mean universally loved, admired or hated. Of course every movie will have its detractors, or at least some people will like it less than others and find it more flawed, like even the most hated Bond movie will have its die hard fans, nevertheless, some are more universally loved or hated than others.
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Not that I disagree.
I would disagree about the first third: it was as bad as the rest.
Not many people would think FRWL is not among the best, if not THE best. I think it is the best Bond movie, although not my favourite.
I might just agree with this. OHMSS is definitely my favourite and I think is one of the best. But after my viewing of FRWL on Thursday night, I'd have to say it's pretty much perfect.
I might start another thread about this: the difference between the best and the favourite.
This is slightly tangential, but I'm going to say that the final thirds of Diamonds are Forever, Moonraker, and Die Another Day are pretty roundly regarded as the three worst thirds in the franchise, although the movies as wholes have their defenders.
I've always thought it was important to distinguish between the two.
Though sometimes they rank at the same level for me - OHMSS for me until I saw FRWL in the cinema - usually they are at different levels.
I equate it to this: I love both Lawrence of Arabia and Gladiator. I would say that Lawrence of Arabia is one of the best movies I've ever seen a well as one of my favourites but Gladiator ranks higher as a fave and would be much much lower on the fine film ranking.
FRWL is probably the best Bond, but of that era I like TB a good deal more. But then, I like TLD even more.
I do prefer TB to FRWL, although FRWL is the best, no doubt. I think Terence Young thought little of TB compared to his first two.
I think FRWL may be the most consensual, actually. FYEO, TLD, they are good but lesser movies, emulating it without quite matching it.
For more serious fans, From Russia With Love.
Worst film, for the general public? No idea. Possibly License to Kill.
For more serious fans? Die Another Day in a landslide.
OHMSS is definitely not consensual, neither is Moonraker.
I enjoy Dr. No. But that does surprise me. I bet that is thanks to Ursula. ;)
Well, I am glad it is DN as best and not say GE or even SF.
Well it didn't flop. I think it's fair to consider it a hit, just not as big as the other Bond films.
Most likely fan favourite: From Russia With Love
Most likely general audience favourite: Goldfinger.
And there is a difference between commercially successful and critically successful. AVTAK was not exactly hailed as a great Bond, even Roger Moore was critical about it, if I remember correctly.
FRWL
GF
CR
SF
The worst-*
AVTAK
TMWTGG
DAD
OP
*please note that these do not reflect my opinions but rather the general idea I get when reading reviews etc.
DN is nearly always regarded highly, almost as if by default.
FRWL- generally considered one of the best
GF- see latter
TB- generally considered a lesser installment than GF, sometimes regarded the best
YOLT- One of the lesser connerys. Rarely considered the best
OHMSS- public opinion of this installment has become more favourable over the years. Voted the best by 007 magazine.
DAF- Sometimes regarded as the worst.
LALD- average film
TMWTGG- generally regarded as the worst.
TSWLM- sometimes considered the best.
MR- mixed reactions. Loathed by some, loved by some.
FYEO- considered one of Moore's stronger films. Average installment.
OP- rarely considered the worst.
AVTAK- generally considered the worst.
TLD- rarely considered the best.
LTK- mixed. Grown more positive over the years.
GE- considered the best Brosnan. Rarely considered the best.
TND- Mixed, average installment.
TWINE- Mixed, average installment.
DAD- generally considered the worst.
CR- generally considered the best.
QOS- sometimes considered the worst. Mixed.
SF- generally considered the best.
This is the overall idea I get from rotten tomatoes, wikipedia, the media and public opinion, whether we agree with it or not (I certainly don't).
Just to make sure I am clear: I was thinking of the general public's response to AVTAK and LTK. Not the serious fans.
Not only did he provide only 7 Bond songs for the cinema to play in the lobby for the whole 13 days, but when he introduced GF he said it was a perfect film. THEN, when he introduced OHMSS, he said that it was a good film but would have been great if Connery had played Bond.
Those here who know me can just imagine my state of mind at that. :-L
Seems that it only takes a few bucks to buy some branded items and a few things from eBay to become a Bond expert. :|
For all the good stuff it has and even how pretty it is, it's still a bit boring.
*runs for cover*
In 1964, GF was like QOS. Now it's strictly sub-light, not even warp 1.
This is exactly my feelings about GF. Worst good Bond film IMO.
FRWL and OHMSS come to mind for that one though.
General Public favourite - GF, LALD, TSWLM, CR, SF
I've never heard a fan complain about FRWL, at least I've never seen a fan rank it at or near the bottom of a Bond ranking.
Goldfinger seems to be a favourite amongst many fans and the public alike. However I'm also seeing a trend of seeing the many faults the film actually has.
Live And Let Die is a film that I hear many non-Bond fans refer to when the discussion turns to Bond.
Calvin has a distaste for several elements of it, though he still has it ranked at something around 12 or 13.