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  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    chrisisall wrote:
    Well, like music & story, the actor is part of the mix. I prefer Connery slightly to Brosnan, yet I list TND above most Connery Bonds simply because I feel it's a better overall film. But while TND is IMO a better film than LTK, the power of Dalton cannot be denied, so I list that one higher than TND... and so on...
    Everyone does it differently and I'm fine with that. If you think that TND is a better film than LTK then I think you should rank it higher but that's just me. At least you have put some thought behind your reasoning and are not just putting all of your favorite actor's movies at the top.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    chrisisall wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:

    One star
    GOLDENEYE
    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH

    Would you like some fries with your Brosnan hate? :))

    Even I don't hate Brosnan this much.
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Shoreline wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    @pachazo- glad to see there are others who understand what people like Wiz and myself have been questioning. Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Again, you seem to see things your way only.
    There are plenty of people here who have the Brosnan era ranked bottom.
    Yet, I just can't imagine you or Wizard questioning that.....???

    If you had a clue, you'd already know that my dislike for the Brosnan era doesn't extend to GE and TND. Like you said, you don't care what I have to say so I don't care what you have to say either. No one asked for you to come back and start up with us, your name was never mentioned, no one needs you to come to their rescue. I'm now going to ignore you, because you are clearly an instigator that thinks they are above justifying any statement they make, and I will flag you for it and the mods will deal with you.

    chrisisall wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Okay, but then, are we ranking our favourites, or the 'best' Bond movies. How may one avoid listing movies with their favourite Bond actor high up if it's a favourites list? If it's a 'best' list, that's different.

    Unfortunately, some people cannot distinguish the difference. You and @thelivingroyale have demonstrated the difference and a higher intelligence and grasp of logic.
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    Not to mention the Brosnan hater just a few posts above. Really, this applies to all Bonds, as there are people so helplessly in the tank (or consumed by hatred) for all the Bonds that it prevents objective (or even semi-objective) rankings of the movies.

    I don't agree whatsoever with @Thunderfinger than GE and TND belong among the worst Bond films. I think it's wrong to bury those films just because one doesn't like Brosnan. And you are so right about those so helplessly in the tank that's they can't be bothered to debate. I'm not a hypocrite about these things. I look at these films objectively and not because I like this guy or don't like this guy, and that's that. Do I agree with @identigraph that TMWTGG is a top 5 film and better than FRWL at #8? Hell no! Clearly he's also overlooking better films himself out of too much love for Moore. But at least you can debate with him about these things and get an intelligent answer. That's all I've ever tried to do with anyone, for example if I ask someone what sane reason they'd have for rating DAD and MR above CR and OHMSS, I expect better than some half assed and smug "it's my opinion, how dare you question it, piss off if you don't like it you Nazi". Why? Because maybe I missed something and can learn from what they have to say. Even after 45 years, I was just saying this to @DarthDimi in PM yesterday, there are things that I question like "why did they do this, what was the motivation?" and sometimes I get answers that I didn't think of that have changed my view. So much for only seeing things my way. The movies are beautifully ambiguous like that, and I love to hear various interpretations. And I don't put myself above other people and hang my hat on "45 years and you can't teach me anything", or "I was reading Fleming before you were born", and if I were that kind of smug asshole I sure could do it and justify it too on sheer knowledge alone.

    I know my top 5 is Moore heavy and I could be accused of too much Moore love but I genuinley rate the TMWTGG highly, of course FRWL is a classic film and I do love it. I know that the 60's is considered the golden era but for me personally I do actually enjoy the Moore through to Dalton films the most, not just because of the actors, these are the films I would choose to watch the most because I enjoy them the most.

    I know a lot Connery films are quite low in my rankings but I do believe that his first two films are the best, with TB and YOLT being bloated and slow, DAF just being a bit naff overall, but these are of course my opinions and I am well aware that a lot of my top films would be towards the bottom of a lot of peoples lists.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Just to clarify, I did not rank the Brosnan films below CR67. I simply gave all films one-five stars, then named them chronologically within their respective tiers. If i had to do a proper ranking, I would place both CR54 and CR 67 below the first three Brosnans, but above DAD.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2013 Posts: 12,480
    And here is my true list, of my favorites:
    (Note: It is not set in concrete, the top 10 move around at times as do the bottom 5)

    1. From Russia With Love
    2. Skyfall
    3. Casino Royale
    4. Goldeneye
    5. The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. Tomorrow Never Dies
    7. For Your Eyes Only
    8. The Living Daylights
    9. Dr. No
    10. Live and let Die
    11. Goldfinger
    12. Octopussy
    13. The World is Not Enough
    14. Quantum of Solace
    15. Thunderball
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. License to Kill
    18. Diamonds Are Forever
    19. The Man With a Golden Gun
    20. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    21. Die Another Day
    22. A View To A Kill
    23. Moonraker
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Pretty good list you have there. OHMSS is low, but hey, who's perfect?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Yes, it has never been a favorite of mine; Lazenby aside, I still do not like the film. In the minority on this forum for that, I know, but you know what? It's just my personal tastes, like everybody else.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    I understand that. Like they say, de gustibus non disputandum.

    Or, less pretentiously, if we all agreed we'd all be bored.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited September 2013 Posts: 16,351
    As of now.
    1.GoldenEye
    2.Licence To Kill
    3.Skyfall
    4.Casino Royale
    5.Tomorrow Never Dies
    6.The World is Not Enough
    7.Quantum of Solace
    8.The Spy Who Loved Me
    9.You Only Live Twice
    10.From Russia With Love
    11.Thunderball
    12.Octopussy
    13.Die Another Day
    14.Moonraker
    15.The Living Daylights
    16.Live and Let Die
    17.OHMSS
    18.Dr. No
    19.For Your Eyes Only
    20. Goldfinger
    21. Diamonds are Forever
    22. A View to a Kill
    23. The Man with the Golden Gun
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    There doesn't appear to be a number 14 on your list, Murdock.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Yes, I don't want to be in a discussion where everybody thinks exactly the same way, but I do like the discussions to be civil and not forced. I rank Thunderball lower than most, too. Sometimes I switch Dr. No and Goldfinger around. :)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    There doesn't appear to be a number 14 on your list, Murdock.

    Fixed. Had 15 twice. :))
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Yes, I don't want to be in a discussion where everybody thinks exactly the same way, but I do like the discussions to be civil and not forced. I rank Thunderball lower than most, too. Sometimes I switch Dr. No and Goldfinger around. :)

    We're in the same boat on Thunderball. Actually, our rankings for Thunderball and Quantum of Solace are almost the same, just switched.

    @Murdock, why do you like Die Another Day more than On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Dr. No, and Goldfinger? I understand it's a personal favorites list, and not an objectively best list (at least I pray it is), but I still don't quite understand how you arrive at that conclusion.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Yes, I don't want to be in a discussion where everybody thinks exactly the same way, but I do like the discussions to be civil and not forced. I rank Thunderball lower than most, too. Sometimes I switch Dr. No and Goldfinger around. :)

    We're in the same boat on Thunderball. Actually, our rankings for Thunderball and Quantum of Solace are almost the same, just switched.

    @Murdock, why do you like Die Another Day more than On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Dr. No, and Goldfinger? I understand it's a personal favorites list, and not an objectively best list (at least I pray it is), but I still don't quite understand how you arrive at that conclusion.

    I get more entertainment out of DAD than I do OHMSS, DN and GF. I'm not saying DAD is a better film. But in terms of rewatchability and tend to lean on DAD. But the list changes every year so next year it will be much different.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Post Skyfall evaluations;

    1. From Russia With Love
    2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    3. Casino Royale
    4. Licence To Kill
    5. The World Is Not Enough
    6. The Living Daylights
    7. Thunderball
    8. Skyfall
    9. Dr No
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me
    11. Goldfinger
    12. Tomorrow Never Dies
    13. Octopussy
    14. For Your Eyes Only
    15. GoldenEye
    16. Quantum of Solace
    17. You Only Live Twice
    18. Moonraker
    19. Live and Let Die
    20. A View To A Kill
    21. Die Another Day
    22. The Man With The Golden Gun
    23. Diamonds Are Forever

    Not too many changes, apart from Moonraker, which has gone up.

    Note; I love all of the Bond films. I have a special "Bondian grade" to judge them. But, in "real life" they all get 10 out of 10. To a film they entertain me, royally. And isn't that what a film is meant to do?
  • Zorin61Zorin61
    Posts: 418
    My latest ranking..

    1. From Russia with Love
    2. Goldfinger
    3. Licence to Kill
    4. The Living Daylights
    5. Casino Royale
    6. Skyfall
    7. Thunderball
    8. You Only Live Twice
    9. Dr No
    10. For Your Eye's Only
    11. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    12. Goldeneye
    13. The Spy Who Loved Me
    14. The World Is Not Enough
    15. Quantum of Solice
    16. Octopussy
    17. Diamonds Are Forever
    18. Tomorrow Never Dies
    19. Moonraker
    20. Live and Let Die
    21. A View To A Kill
    22. The Man with the Golden Gun
    23. Die Another Day
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    My latest (and unlikely to change) ranking:

    23: Die Another Day
    22: Diamonds Are Forever
    21: Moonraker
    20: A View to a Kill
    19: Tomorrow Never Dies
    18: The Man with The Golden Gun
    17: Quantum of Solace
    16: Live and Let Die
    15: Goldfinger
    14: For Your Eyes Only
    13: The World is Not Enough
    12: You Only Live Twice
    11: Dr. No
    10: Octopussy
    9: Thunderball
    8: The Spy Who Loved Me
    7: From Russia With Love
    6: Skyfall
    5: GoldenEye
    4: Licence to Kill
    3: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2: The Living Daylights
    1: Casino Royale

    Objective, looking solely at the production quality of the film, score, performances, etc. and excluing my personal opinions:

    23: Die Another Day
    22: Quantum of Solace
    21: A View to a Kill
    20: Tomorrow Never Dies
    19: Moonraker
    18: The Man with The Golden Gun
    17: Live and Let Die
    16: The World is Not Enough
    15: Diamonds Are Forever
    14: Octopussy
    13: You Only Live Twice
    12: Dr. No
    11: For Your Eyes Only
    10: Goldfinger
    9: The Spy Who Loved Me
    8: Thunderball
    7: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    6: Licence to Kill
    5: From Russia With Love
    4: The Living Daylights
    3: GoldenEye
    2: Skyfall
    1: Casino Royale
  • ShorelineShoreline
    edited September 2013 Posts: 251
    I didn't rank my list on anything but enjoyment factor.
    I'm no expert on film making, so although quality of acting, script, music, staging, story telling matter, it's the over all end product that really counts at the end of the day, isn't it?
    So while some films may have a better story, or come off more Fleming like, this sometimes isn't enough for me to rank it higher than a film which maybe technically worse or better .... It really is a hard thing to do, ranking Bond films.
    End of the day, I go with my gut, and I'm gonna watch FYEO, GE and FRWL, even DAD over OHMSS, DAF, or QOS which I watched the other day and actually found it over all horrible.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,800
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Objective, looking solely at the production quality of the film, score, performances, etc. and excluing my personal opinions:
    20: Tomorrow Never Dies
    19 before & 20 here-? Sir, IMO your personal opinions have not been very well excluded.
    :))
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    I genuinely consider TND to be a very poorly made film. I watch movies very objectively so for the most part, my lists are in the ballpark of eachother.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,800
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I genuinely consider TND to be a very poorly made film.
    It's an extremely well made movie, as is Thunderball, yet you rate that so much higher it's ridiculous. Is it the box-ticking? The gun fire? I know right now it's very fashionable to dump on Brosnan, but you even "objectively" rate DAF a better film.
    If you're up for it I'd like to go toe to toe with your reasoning on precisely why you feel TND is such a "poorly made" film.
    Unless, you MEAN that you just don't like it, which would be totally cool with me. I mean, as an example, objectively speaking, MR is NOT a poorly made film, it just made comedic choices that I severely dislike.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    It's a constant gun fight, just a simple turn off your brain action flick. I don't generally find that type of film to be well made, and Spottiswoode just doesn't have the directing chops for Bond IMO. Also I find the plot to be very poor, and almost all the performances (Bond, Paris, Carver, Stamper) to be among the worst in the series. My objective list looks at every element of every film, and then goes "is this a good thing, or a bad thing?" from a cinematic viewpoint. Whether I like something or not is irrelevant; I like many things in the series that objectively are kinda bad, hence OP's lower ranking, and I dislike many things that objectively are good cinema. DAF has a lot going for it in terms of entertainment value, I just think the film takes a massive dump on OHMSS and I can't separate that from the film when I watch it. Hence, a much lower rating on my subjective list. I hope I've cleared it up.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,800
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Whether I like something or not is irrelevant
    Impossible mission, that.
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    I hope I've cleared it up.
    Not so much- here, read DVDVerdict's review:
    "Tomorrow Never Dies opens with one of the most thrilling pre-credits sequences in the series. Bond single-handedly takes out a terrorist bazaar in an orgy of bullets, hand-to-hand combat, and explosions. Humorous touches (like Bond driving a fighter jet with his knees) link Tomorrow Never Dies to the franchise's tongue-in-cheek past without crossing the line of stupidity. Other action interludes (including the escape from Carver's secret lab and the parking-deck chase) are stellar as well. The helicopter chase is over-the-top; would a non-suicidal pilot really tilt the helicopter forward and use its blades as a weapon? But even this implausible sequence gets the blood pumping.

    Moving on to the women, James Bond's stud reputation remains intact. His "little Danish" is red hot. Teri Hatcher is alternately perfect and tone-deaf as the jaded socialite from Bond's past. The show is nearly stolen by Michelle Yeoh, who gracefully achieves a long-term goal of the producers: to give Bond a female equal without raising an army of Political Correctness red flags. Granted, I cringe when Agent Lin utters a dramatic kiai before shooting a bank of computers; you really have to pump yourself up for that—no telling when the computers will fight back. Otherwise, she and Bond have an easy chemistry that works throughout this film. "
    http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/bondultimate4.php

    And they 'like' this movie less than I do.
    :))
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited September 2013 Posts: 1,310
    There, there, Tomorrow Never Dies. They don't really mean it. Everyone knows you're kind of dumb, but we still like you anyway.

    Tomorrow-Never-Dies-Banner.jpg
    "You really mean that?"

    Of course. Of course.

    But seriously, even though TND is a shoot-em up film with perhaps a little too much action, I find it to be a solid James Bond film. At least it's not desperately trying to be good when it's not (ahem TWINE and QOS). ;)
  • EspritEsprit
    Posts: 37
    23. Die Another Day
    22. Diamonds Are Forever
    21. Moonraker
    20. The World Is Not Enough
    19. A View To A Kill
    18. Quantum Of Solace
    17.You Only Live Twice
    16. Tomorrow Never Dies
    15. Octopussy
    14. The Man With The Golden Gun
    13. GoldenEye
    12. Skyfall
    11. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    10. Thunderball
    9. Dr. No
    8. Live And Let Die
    7. The Living Daylights
    6. Liecnce To Kill
    5. Casino Royale
    4. Goldfinger
    3. For Your Eyes Only
    2. From Russia With Love
    1. The Spy Who Loved Me

    I have my clear favourite Bonds, but their films are pretty spread out through my list. Except for poor Brosnan. Totally not his fault, though.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Ah, @Esprit, I love The Spy Who Loved Me, too as well as For Your Eyes Only. Nice to see someone else placing them high on their list (higher than mine, actually). :)
  • EspritEsprit
    Posts: 37
    Cheers, @4EverBonded! I actually love TSWLM so much I recently wrote a piece for a Bond Website. Gives a bit of background with my story with Bond, too..

    http://www.007hertzrumble.com/favorite-bond_age_-spy-loved-krissy-myers/

    My FYEO essay will be up in a couple weeks, too. :D
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    Esprit wrote:
    Cheers, @4EverBonded! I actually love TSWLM so much I recently wrote a piece for a Bond Website. Gives a bit of background with my story with Bond, too..

    http://www.007hertzrumble.com/favorite-bond_age_-spy-loved-krissy-myers/

    My FYEO essay will be up in a couple weeks, too. :D

    @Esprit Love the article, it's something that I have always thought, Rog's appearance definitley gives the impression that he could be a tourist/businessman.

    Good to see the love for TSWLM.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Ah, @Esprit, I love The Spy Who Loved Me, too as well as For Your Eyes Only. Nice to see someone else placing them high on their list (higher than mine, actually). :)

    TSWLM is my number 1 also :-)
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Good to see some TSWLM love. It's been my favourite Moore film for ages and I think it's underrated on here. Lots to like in that film.
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