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What if Roger Moore had done OHMSS?

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  • LudovicoLudovico
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    What if Roger Moore had done OHMSS?

    It would've been terrible. /thread

    If you read the comments on this thread, you will see that it may not have been bad, and indeed could have dramatically change Moore take on Bond and his whole tenure.
  • NapoleonPluralNapoleonPlural
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    At least the pts of FYEO would match up, and you could have flashbacks to him in the helicopter going up to Piz Gloria.

    So much of the 'action' in early OHMSS is based on fistfights, which of course Moore couldn't really do. Also, having him being given the runaround by Draco's henchmen would make him look more clownish than it did with Lazenby.

    Surprised to read about Moore's acting ability on this thread, he didn't have much range. I wonder how Lazenby would have fared in TSWLM?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Moore is a much better actor than he is credited for. Not a great stunt man, but a very capable actor.
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    Would Moore have worked better than Connery in OHMSS?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    identigraph wrote:
    Would Moore have worked better than Connery in OHMSS?

    Very good question. Depends which Connery.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    Ludovico wrote:
    identigraph wrote:
    Would Moore have worked better than Connery in OHMSS?

    Very good question. Depends which Connery.

    Connery FRWL = NO. Connery DAF = YES
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    No, it wouldn't have worked at all with Roger Moore. Bad idea to even countenance!
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    No, it wouldn't have worked at all with Roger Moore. Bad idea to even countenance!

    Read the thread. Would Moore have acted the same way with the OHMSS script as we know it?
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Moore would of had a whale of a time with the Piz Gloria girls, but say again, wouldn't have swapped George with anyone in retrospect, in 1969

    Moore had the perfect introduction four years later in Live and Let Die. I think any sooner would of been inappropriate, and as for Tim Dalton turning down the chance at the end of the 1960s, it's a good thing common sense prevailed, as simply couldn't envisage the actor being Bond at such a young age. He also, made his Bond introduction at the right age. Once again, Moore could of been Bond for OHMSS, without question, but would never want anyone else in the role other than Lazenby for that. He did a more than adequate job
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,837
    It could go one of two ways really

    1) OHMSS would've been a radically different film.

    Or

    2) Roger Moore would've been a radically different Bond.

    Since the Moore era hadn't already begun I'm sort of leaning towards option 2 to be honest, although I don't think OHMSS was suited to Moore and I don't think he would've done as well as Lazenby (I do prefer Moore as Bond in general though).
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    Moore would of had a whale of a time with the Piz Gloria girls, but say again, wouldn't have swapped George with anyone in retrospect, in 1969

    Moore had the perfect introduction four years later in Live and Let Die. I think any sooner would of been inappropriate, and as for Tim Dalton turning down the chance at the end of the 1960s, it's a good thing common sense prevailed, as simply couldn't envisage the actor being Bond at such a young age. He also, made his Bond introduction at the right age. Once again, Moore could of been Bond for OHMSS, without question, but would never want anyone else in the role other than Lazenby for that. He did a more than adequate job

    Well said. Moore could have handled it just fine. The film would have changed a bit (in some places for the better and some for the worse) but with a such a great story and wonderful supporting cast it's hard to go wrong here. Likewise, Dalton and even post YOLT Connery could have gotten the job done just fine but at the end of the day I'm glad we got Georgie Porgie.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Daniel Craig was an infant when OHMSS was being filmed. But besides that, he might've worked well. In my head, he wouldn't have had strong chemistry with Diana Rigg, but it might've worked nonetheless.

    Pierce Brosnan was all of 15 when OHMSS was being filmed, but anyway, I feel he would've been disastrous in the role, especially in the more emotional, insular scenes. I my head, there's no chemistry between him and Rigg. Nope.

    Timothy Dalton was in his twenties...so too young. Otherwise, he might've been pretty good. In my head, he would've had okay chemistry with Rigg. I dunno.

    Roger Moore. Old enough at the time, to be sure, but no. Just no. I can't picture him and Rigg together at all on screen. Not a bad actor at all, but for the more emotional, romantic parts? No no.

    Sean Connery would be the best choice besides Lazenby. But even then I'm unsure how he would come off with Rigg or the more emotional parts. Who knows.

    George Lazenby was right on for pretty much the whole film and had great on-screen chemistry with Diana Rigg as Tracy, the best Bond girl of them all. Why change what works so well already?
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
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    If Roger Moore had done OHMSS, the "never happened to the other fellow" line would have been criticized as being too reminiscent of the Saint's breaking the fourth wall ! :)
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Thunderball wrote:
    Daniel Craig was an infant when OHMSS was being filmed. But besides that, he might've worked well. In my head, he wouldn't have had strong chemistry with Diana Rigg, but it might've worked nonetheless.

    Pierce Brosnan was all of 15 when OHMSS was being filmed, but anyway, I feel he would've been disastrous in the role, especially in the more emotional, insular scenes. I my head, there's no chemistry between him and Rigg. Nope.

    Timothy Dalton was in his twenties...so too young. Otherwise, he might've been pretty good. In my head, he would've had okay chemistry with Rigg. I dunno.

    Roger Moore. Old enough at the time, to be sure, but no. Just no. I can't picture him and Rigg together at all on screen. Not a bad actor at all, but for the more emotional, romantic parts? No no.

    Sean Connery would be the best choice besides Lazenby. But even then I'm unsure how he would come off with Rigg or the more emotional parts. Who knows.

    George Lazenby was right on for pretty much the whole film and had great on-screen chemistry with Diana Rigg as Tracy, the best Bond girl of them all. Why change what works so well already?

    Well, this is not the point of this thread, obviously. It is a completely speculative topic.
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote:
    If Roger Moore had done OHMSS, the "never happened to the other fellow" line would have been criticized as being too reminiscent of the Saint's breaking the fourth wall ! :)

    And we would have thought it had been made for him because of his role in The Saint.
  • EspritEsprit
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    I LIKE this idea. It certainly would have fit in nicely with continuity, but that would have given him nine films, and even though I cite him as my favorite 007, there is such thing as too much of a good thing. To maintain his seven, I'd say start with OHMSS and make FYEO his swan song, which would have worked really well. I kind of see FYEO as a sort of proto-Skyfall, as I think it plays around with the whole "ageing Bond" idea pretty well. I think in a lot of ways, it does it better than Skyfall did, too. Plus it's the first of Moore's films where he obviously looks older.

    And if DAF was adjusted so that Bond killed Blofeld out of revenge here, not only do I think DAF would have been better, but we wouldn't have that stupid Helicopter PTS in FYEO, either. What I wouldn't give to have a glimpse into that alternate universe.

  • retrokittyretrokitty The Couv
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    And what if we made dill pickles with bread sticks instead of cucumbers? I like bread sticks but they would not stand up to the task at hand in a jar of salt and vinegar, wouldn't they?

    No... ...
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Did you read the thread at all?
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    retrokitty wrote:
    And what if we made dill pickles with bread sticks instead of cucumbers? I like bread sticks but they would not stand up to the task at hand in a jar of salt and vinegar, wouldn't they?

    No... ...

    Surely most of the threads on here are speculitive, there wouldn't be much to talk about if people didn't ask these kind of questions.

    It does seem the biggest irony is that Connery so say wanted something to sink his teeth into and yet OHMSS was the most character driven film in the series.

    Would Rog have been too associated with the Saint in 1969?

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    It was at least partially because of his association with The Saint that Moore got the role of Bond, but it was another time, with a different approach. If in 1969 he was trying to distanciate himself from his tv persona, he might have been criticised for not being enough like it. Or praise for his attempt. What I am most certain is that it would have changed the Moore era in tone.
  • 002002
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    NO NO NO NO. Cant think of a much worse alternative casting suggestion. On a par with Pierce Brosnan doing Casino Royale!

    ....you are joking right?
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    George did a good enough job of it in '69 and in hindsight I wouldn't swap him with anyone. Moore came in at the right time four years later and his debut performance was a great success, so it's best to just leave things as they are

    i would have swapped Lazenby with Dalton...even if Dalton was young at the time
  • retrokittyretrokitty The Couv
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    retrokitty wrote:
    And what if we made dill pickles with bread sticks instead of cucumbers? I like bread sticks but they would not stand up to the task at hand in a jar of salt and vinegar, wouldn't they?

    No... ...
    Ludovico wrote:
    Did you read the thread at all?

    Yes.
    identigraph wrote:
    Surely most of the threads on here are speculitive, there wouldn't be much to talk about if people didn't ask these kind of questions.

    Agreed. However, speculating about Moore in OHMSS makes me think of using bread sticks instead of cucumbers to make pickles. It's a completely inappropriate use of a very good product, in my opinion.

    There was no point in going further for me. Not everyone who comments on these forums has to write an essay response.

  • identigraphidentigraph
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    retrokitty wrote:
    retrokitty wrote:
    And what if we made dill pickles with bread sticks instead of cucumbers? I like bread sticks but they would not stand up to the task at hand in a jar of salt and vinegar, wouldn't they?

    No... ...
    Ludovico wrote:
    Did you read the thread at all?

    Yes.
    identigraph wrote:
    Surely most of the threads on here are speculitive, there wouldn't be much to talk about if people didn't ask these kind of questions.

    Agreed. However, speculating about Moore in OHMSS makes me think of using bread sticks instead of cucumbers to make pickles. It's a completely inappropriate use of a very good product, in my opinion.

    There was no point in going further for me. Not everyone who comments on these forums has to write an essay response.

    No need to get your pickled bread sticks in a twist.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Oh man, one can only dream of such an illuminating possibility! Given his more hard-edged performance in The Man with the Golden Gun, and in instances of For Your Eyes Only, such as the "Locque car kick", I could totally see Roger pulling off a more serious-toned 007. Goodness knows he'd be more on par with Telly Savalas' Blofeld.
  • EspritEsprit
    Posts: 37
    What's wrong with a little speculation? It's fun to think about it stuff like this. Isn't a lot of great fiction derived from speculation, anyway?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited September 2013 Posts: 6,304
    Ludovico wrote:
    Moore is a much better actor than he is credited for. Not a great stunt man, but a very capable actor.
    I agree with this. He certainly had serious moments throughout his tenure ("I admit killing you would be a pleasure," the conversation with Anya at Kalba's club, Tibbett's death), which he pulled off with aplomb.

    Would Moore have played it the same way after YOLT as DAF? Doubtful. In a way, DAF's success derailed the entire series because it set the tone for the '70s and first half of the '80s.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Yes, that's partially why I think DAF was in many ways a curse to the franchise.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    NO NO NO NO. Cant think of a much worse alternative casting suggestion. On a par with Pierce Brosnan doing Casino Royale!

    Dead on correct here. This isn't to say that Moore isn't an excellent and diverse actor who could take on a harder edge, but he doesn't fight well enough and that aspect is huge in OHMSS. I think he would have done better at Piz Gloria as he and Connery were the best when it came to copious shagging, but probably no better or worse in the Tracy scenes. As for Brosnan he is a good actor, but he's not good enough to do what Craig did in CR.

  • 00Ed00Ed
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    Rog himself has stated that the plan was to film in Cambodia, which would seem to suggest that his version of OHMSS would have been a radically different film.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Was Rog ever considered back in 1969?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote:
    Was Rog ever considered back in 1969?

    Yes but he was busy doing the final series of The Saint.
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