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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    GE's 'Run, Shoot, and Jump' - mainly the bit from when Bond and Natalya escape the interrogation room until they hit the archives - is one of my favorite bits of score in the series.

    I am PRAYING this isn't controversial. As much as people shittalk Serra's score that was a FANTASTIC piece of music.

    I surmised it would be, because like you said, people do talk trash about Serra's score a lot. Personally, I love it, and that has to be my favorite piece of the entire thing. Fits so well with the energy and frenetic shooting Bond is dishing out.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2013 Posts: 16,351
    People only seem to hate Serra's score because of "Ladies First" and maybe "Scale to Hell" I don't see why people hate it so much. I'll gladly take it over Monty Norman's cheesy soap opera score for Dr. No. And that is controversial.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Murdock wrote:
    People only seem to hate Serra's score because of "Ladies First" and maybe "Scale to Hell" I don't see why people hate it so much. I'll gladly take it over Monty Norman's cheesy soap opera score for Dr. No. And that is controversial.

    I can understand people not caring for either of those, as the former sounds really 'cheesy 70's porn-ish,' and the latter...I don't know how to describe it, but parts of it don't sit well with me sometimes, either. But, I still do like them, I just understand where the hate can come from.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited November 2013 Posts: 7,314
    MrBond wrote:
    DAD is atleast full of life, it moves at a brisk pace and is overall better directed than TWINE. Where TWINE succumbs to keep the up the intrest due it's lack of inspiring editing and direction, DAD prevails.
    I can see where you're coming from @MrBond. DAD has more energy than TWINE and it's more colorful as well. TWINE is very drab and even the action scenes seem static. However, DAD just goes way too far overboard in just about every direction for my tastes.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    Heres one. I liked Jaws better in Moonraker then The Spy who Loved Me
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    GE's 'Run, Shoot, and Jump' - mainly the bit from when Bond and Natalya escape the interrogation room until they hit the archives - is one of my favorite bits of score in the series.

    I am PRAYING this isn't controversial. As much as people shittalk Serra's score that was a FANTASTIC piece of music.

    About half of the opinions in this thread are anything but controversial. Thus, it's an "opinions" thread as much as a controversial opinions thread.

  • minorMajor9thminorMajor9th
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    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.
  • minorMajor9thminorMajor9th
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    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    It's considerably less fun.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    How dare you lol
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    pachazo wrote:
    MrBond wrote:
    DAD is atleast full of life, it moves at a brisk pace and is overall better directed than TWINE. Where TWINE succumbs to keep the up the intrest due it's lack of inspiring editing and direction, DAD prevails.
    I can see where you're coming from @MrBond. DAD has more energy than TWINE and it's more colorful as well. TWINE is very drab and even the action scenes seem static. However, DAD just goes way too far overboard in just about every direction for my tastes.

    Well, precisley. TWINE is just a lifeless drab with nothing much of a entertainment value. DAD (despites it's many problems) is atleast entertaining in the right mindset!
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    minorMajor9th wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    It's considerably less fun.

    But it's still not an absolute car crash of a movie. DAD literally unzips it's fly and pisses over Fleming's grave.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    I want Quantum to either out last craig or to be the main villian for the next 3 films why you ask I think it is just the best move the producers made to introduce a new nameless and faceless organization.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    MrBond wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    MrBond wrote:
    DAD is atleast full of life, it moves at a brisk pace and is overall better directed than TWINE. Where TWINE succumbs to keep the up the intrest due it's lack of inspiring editing and direction, DAD prevails.
    I can see where you're coming from @MrBond. DAD has more energy than TWINE and it's more colorful as well. TWINE is very drab and even the action scenes seem static. However, DAD just goes way too far overboard in just about every direction for my tastes.

    Well, precisley. TWINE is just a lifeless drab with nothing much of a entertainment value. DAD (despites it's many problems) is atleast entertaining in the right mindset!

    TWINE i found very entertaining and had a very inresting story. It brought a serious side to Brosnans Bond
  • LeighBurneLeighBurne
    edited November 2013 Posts: 57
    MrBond wrote:
    Well, precisley. TWINE is just a lifeless drab with nothing much of a entertainment value. DAD (despites it's many problems) is atleast entertaining in the right mindset!
    I have never been entertained by DAD. Just enraged.
    Risico007 wrote:
    I want Quantum to either out last craig or to be the main villian for the next 3 films why you ask I think it is just the best move the producers made to introduce a new nameless and faceless organization.
    I really liked the idea behind Quantum too, even if QOS wasn't that great. I hope they bring them back.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
    edited November 2013 Posts: 908
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    In fact it is great ( and don't bother to tell me 'bout its weak points,I know them all). But its story alone,which was the last (and one of the very few anyhow) coherent and convincing spy tales in the Bond Universe (and come to think of it, in the whole genre) combined with Sophie Marceaus very special role makes it near and dear to my heart. Mind you,if it wasn't for the "coherent" part QoS would qualify as well. When I left the cinema back in 99 I felt satisfied with a Bond film the first time since
    FYEO (yeah and I know about its weaknesses too,so save your words) and somehow this feeling hasn't changed yet.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    In fact it is great ( and don't bother to tell me 'bout its weak points,I know them all). But its story alone,which was the last (and one of the very few anyhow) coherent and convincing spy tales in the Bond Universe (and come to think of it, in the whole genre) combined with Sophie Marceaus very special role makes it near and dear to my heart. Mind you,if it wasn't for the "coherent" part QoS would qualify as well. When I left the cinema back in 99 I felt satisfied with a Bond film the first time since
    FYEO (yeah and I know about its weaknesses too,so save your words) and somehow this feeling hasn't changed yet.

    Wow, that is certainly controversial. Care to elaborate?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I love TWINE. Great story, entertaining action, and Elektra is one of the best Bond girls/villains of the series. Yeah the locations could've been a bit more colourful and Robert Carlyle was a bit wasted but it's one of my favourites.

    DAD has more style, it's more colourful and the action scenes are better directed. It also has a crap story, a crap Bond girl, a crap villain, crap CGI, a crap theme song and a shit ton of wasted potential. It's also a terrible send off for Brosnan, one of my favourite Bonds who really deserved to go out on a high note. I could maybe see why you prefer it to TWINE but TLD? It knocks DAD out of the park in every single way.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I love TWINE. Great story, entertaining action, and Elektra is one of the best Bond girls/villains of the series. Yeah the locations could've been a bit more colourful and Robert Carlyle was a bit wasted but it's one of my favourites.

    DAD has more style, it's more colourful and the action scenes are better directed. It also has a crap story, a crap Bond girl, a crap villain, crap CGI, a crap theme song and a shit ton of wasted potential. It's also a terrible send off for Brosnan, one of my favourite Bonds who really deserved to go out on a high note. I could maybe see why you prefer it to TWINE but TLD? It knocks DAD out of the park in every single way.

    Well said @thelivingroyale! :)
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    In fact it is great ( and don't bother to tell me 'bout its weak points,I know them all). But its story alone,which was the last (and one of the very few anyhow) coherent and convincing spy tales in the Bond Universe (and come to think of it, in the whole genre) combined with Sophie Marceaus very special role makes it near and dear to my heart. Mind you,if it wasn't for the "coherent" part QoS would qualify as well. When I left the cinema back in 99 I felt satisfied with a Bond film the first time since
    FYEO (yeah and I know about its weaknesses too,so save your words) and somehow this feeling hasn't changed yet.

    But it's not fact is it.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    TWINE has the best pre titles sequence of the entire series, a very good theme intro from Garbage, an actor of caliber in Robert Carlyle and features Desmond Llewlyn's Q for the final time. Brosnan gives his best performance, and Dench's M also featured more, rather than simply giving Bond orders and instructions. Only the ending lets it down, as it's all rather dull once we get to the submarine scenes and Denise Richards for the most part, is a major letdown and just as annoying (and dull) as Tanya Roberts 14 years before her

    The only redeeming features for DAD are an also very good PTS, some excellent moments from Brosnan, although few and far between, sword fight with Graves, and I'm struggling with much else. The sequence at the Ice Palace near the end was good though, but it's always tough viewing, watching the Halle Berry character being saved. I would of left her to perish
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    In fact it is great ( and don't bother to tell me 'bout its weak points,I know them all). But its story alone,which was the last (and one of the very few anyhow) coherent and convincing spy tales in the Bond Universe (and come to think of it, in the whole genre) combined with Sophie Marceaus very special role makes it near and dear to my heart. Mind you,if it wasn't for the "coherent" part QoS would qualify as well. When I left the cinema back in 99 I felt satisfied with a Bond film the first time since
    FYEO (yeah and I know about its weaknesses too,so save your words) and somehow this feeling hasn't changed yet.

    But it's not fact is it.

    Exactly. I think (keyword, "think") that TWINE is great, but it's not fact. No film rating is fact.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
    Posts: 908
    WillyGalore wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    In fact it is great ( and don't bother to tell me 'bout its weak points,I know them all). But its story alone,which was the last (and one of the very few anyhow) coherent and convincing spy tales in the Bond Universe (and come to think of it, in the whole genre) combined with Sophie Marceaus very special role makes it near and dear to my heart. Mind you,if it wasn't for the "coherent" part QoS would qualify as well. When I left the cinema back in 99 I felt satisfied with a Bond film the first time since
    FYEO (yeah and I know about its weaknesses too,so save your words) and somehow this feeling hasn't changed yet.

    But it's not fact is it.

    You are sure right with that.
    Nevertheless it remains true (for me at least)!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Yes it's a fact that's it's not a great release. No Bond film is. We all have our individual preferences. Just because I, or whoever, finds TWINE one of the best of the franchise, doesn't mean it's of general consensus
  • minorMajor9thminorMajor9th
    edited November 2013 Posts: 157
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    It's considerably less fun.

    But it's still not an absolute car crash of a movie. DAD literally unzips it's fly and pisses over Fleming's grave.

    It pisses over TWINE, more than anything. And yes, TWINE is a soap-opera car crash of a Bond film.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    WillyGalore wrote:
    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE is the worst Bond film ever made.

    TWINE isn't great but it's certainly no worse than DAD.

    It's considerably less fun.

    But it's still not an absolute car crash of a movie. DAD literally unzips it's fly and pisses over Fleming's grave.

    It pisses over TWINE, more than anything. And yes, TWINE is a soap-opera car crash of a Bond film.

    FYEO is more a Soap Opera than TWINE.
  • minorMajor9thminorMajor9th
    edited November 2013 Posts: 157
    mmm
  • minorMajor9thminorMajor9th
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    TWINE's insultingly awful 'M gets captured' (cue EastEnders synth drums) subplot is more egregious to me than any number of CGI tsunamis/icebergs, CGI Jinx freefalls (or just Jinx), invisible cars, force lighting or RoboCop suits.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE's insultingly awful 'M gets captured' (cue EastEnders synth drums) subplot is more egregious to me than any number of CGI tsunamis/icebergs, CGI Jinx freefalls (or just Jinx), invisible cars, force lighting or RoboCop suits.
    It was pretty insipid.
    :O
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2013 Posts: 9,117
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    TWINE.....features Desmond Llewlyn's Q for the final time.

    How is this a reason for it being better or worse than DAD? It's just a fact. If you say 'TWINE is better because it features Desmond as Q over DAD with John Cleese' then fair enough but the fact that it is his final appearance is as irrelevant as saying its his 17th appearance.

    TWINE features Desmond's Q for the final time, DAD features John's Q for the final time. And so what?

    minorMajor9th wrote:
    TWINE's insultingly awful 'M gets captured' (cue EastEnders synth drums) subplot is more egregious to me than any number of CGI tsunamis/icebergs, CGI Jinx freefalls (or just Jinx), invisible cars, force lighting or RoboCop suits.

    Although the 'M being captured' storyline was not as good as it should have been (especially when considering what Colonel Sun did with it) to claim its worse than the various crimes against cinema, Bond and Fleming's grave perpetuated by DAD is so absurd as to be beyond ridicule.
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