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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Ludovico wrote:
    That's my issue with LTK too, it feels and looks too much like a generic 80s action flick.
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    chrisisall wrote:
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
    Yes. Or how TND is a generic 90's action flick. The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    pachazo wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
    Yes. Or how TND is a generic 90's action flick. The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
    People call LTK a masterpiece??? This is news to me.

  • 005005
    edited January 2014 Posts: 17
    I used to like LTK when I was a lot younger but now I just see it as being not any better nor much different than an under cover cop drug busting movie.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,116
    pachazo wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
    Yes. Or how TND is a generic 90's action flick. The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.

    exactly. And while I find LTK superior to TND, I have to say it is overrated here, while TND is pretty much fairly rated in general.

    And back on topic, I thought TND was far better than I consider it now. I think much of our early appreciation of a Bond movie is contextual.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited January 2014 Posts: 11,189
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    That's my issue with LTK too, it feels and looks too much like a generic 80s action flick.
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(

    Both Kill and LALD have elements that feel a bit out of place in the Bond world, and both have somewhat dated considerably (70s/80s cliches).

    Both are also ranked around mid table for me, however, as I've got older I've found myself preferring the "serious thriller" approach. Hence LTK still edges it. Although I have noticed that there are times in Kill when you literally have to remind yourself that this is meant to be a Bond film as well as an 80s revenge movie.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited January 2014 Posts: 14,571
    Ludovico wrote:
    I think much of our early appreciation of a Bond movie is contextual.
    Especially when it's the first one you saw in cinemas. The sentimental value can cloud one's judgement. I thought TND was the best one I'd seen at that point. Now it sits well into the bottom half of my list.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    At the age of 20, I used to think DN and FRWL were a bit underwhelming and boring. The folly of youth...Now they are both strong candidates to the title Best Bond Ever.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    pachazo wrote:
    The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
    Dalton wasn't in those...
    ;)
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    chrisisall wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
    Dalton wasn't in those...
    ;)

    You Don't Mess With The Dalton

    :D
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    QsAssistant wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
    Yes. Or how TND is a generic 90's action flick. The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
    People call LTK a masterpiece??? This is news to me.

    I don't know if it's a masterpiece, but it is a classic, IMO.

  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,116
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    QsAssistant wrote:
    pachazo wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Kind of like how LALD is a generic 70's action flick?
    b-(
    Yes. Or how TND is a generic 90's action flick. The only difference is that no one calls LALD or TND a masterpiece.
    People call LTK a masterpiece??? This is news to me.

    I don't know if it's a masterpiece, but it is a classic, IMO.

    It is very highly rated on this forum. I like it more than I used to when it came out, partially because I don't live in the 80s anymore. But I still find it overrated here.

    Thinking about it, my opinion of LALD may have been the most constant one: I liked it when I first saw it, I like it still now, without being among my favourite.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Ludovico wrote:
    It is very highly rated on this forum. I like it more than I used to when it came out, partially because I don't live in the 80s anymore. But I still find it overrated here.
    You're right, some call it their favourite. That's silly. TLD is .004% better, and deserves the top spot.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited January 2014 Posts: 5,080
    Watched FRWL today and I think I may like it a little bit more than TSWLM, just getting the 8th spot in my ranking (unofficial). I find that I enjoy FRWL more with every viewing. There's no doubt that FRWL is a cracker of a film.

    ~.My 300th comment on this forum!
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    Octopussy is the big one for me. I had it at the bottom at one point, but now I consider it one of the best and, indeed, most faultless Bond films of all.

    Goldfinger, on the other hand, was once in my top five and now sits at #15.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    It is very highly rated on this forum. I like it more than I used to when it came out, partially because I don't live in the 80s anymore. But I still find it overrated here.
    You're right, some call it their favourite. That's silly. TLD is .004% better, and deserves the top spot.

    I've always found it hard to choose between them but I prefer LTK because of Sanchez. Brilliant villain.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,116
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    It is very highly rated on this forum. I like it more than I used to when it came out, partially because I don't live in the 80s anymore. But I still find it overrated here.
    You're right, some call it their favourite. That's silly. TLD is .004% better, and deserves the top spot.

    I am not saying that's silly, only that I find it overrated, even though I changed my mind about its intrinsic value.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I've always found it hard to choose between them but I prefer LTK because of Sanchez. Brilliant villain.
    If LTK had a John Barry score, it would be my #1 easily. They are that close for me.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Here are the ones I used to dislike but now enjoy:

    Diamonds Are Forever
    The Man with the Golden Gun
    Octopussy
    Quantum of Solace

    Here are the ones I used to enjoy but now dislike (for the most part):

    Dr. No
    Goldfinger
    You Only Live Twice
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service (yes, there was a time where it was bearable for me)

    Most all others have remained the same for me- for instance, those such as GoldenEye, License to Kill, From Russia with Love, Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only, A View to a Kill, and Tomorrow Never Dies have always remained favorites for me
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,571
    Here's a different way of reviewing the films based on the topic at hand:

    OHMSS - opinion has changed the most from - to +
    AVTAK
    SF
    QOS
    OP
    LTK
    TLD
    TB
    FYEO
    TMWTGG

    DN
    GE
    NSNA
    CR - unchanged opinion (still as great as it was when released)
    FRWL
    LALD
    TSWLM
    MR
    DAF
    YOLT
    CR67
    TWINE
    GF

    DAD
    TND - opinion has changed the most from + to -


    In this list, the group of films from DN down to GF have changed the least in regards to my opinion of them, with CR being the neutral point.
  • Matt007Matt007
    Posts: 1,314
    Most of Brosnans have slipped down my rankings.

    I watched FYEO the other day which I used to love. It's pretty poor. I think we've been spoiled with the quality of Craig's tenure.
  • delticminerdelticminer
    Posts: 115
    The Spy Who Loved Me slipped quite dramatically down my list upon my viewing last year to #12, and the more I think about it, the more Thunderball slips down (from mid-table this time last year to #18 now). On the other hand, both of Dalton's films went straight up when I rewatched them at the end of 2012 - I had thought TLD was very meh, and I hated LTK, and now they are #1 and #3 respectively. OHMSS and FRWL have always been two of my favourites, and Casino Royale has only slipped down because of TLD.

    And that's the 2006 version of Casino Royale, not the 1967 one (or god forbid, the 1954 one)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,116
    This is not exactly on topic, but it is close enough to put it here: I always hated DAD, from the moment I left the cinema. Now, I did not change my opinion of it, but it did make me look back on the Brosnan era in another light.
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