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  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    DB5 wrote:
    Just curious, in FRWL do most people consider the main villain Rosa Klebb or Donald Grant?

    That's the fun of From Russia With Love, you have the triumvirate of Grant, Klebb, and Kronsteen, with Blofeld looming over them all. Of course, I still prefer Auric Goldfinger, but it's a close match for sure.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    I voted Goldfinger over Klebb. Definitely not over Blofeld or Grant.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I voted Goldfinger over Klebb. Definitely not over Blofeld or Grant.

    I'm loath to name a definitive villain for any of the movies, especially here when the impression of who is the main villain matters quite a bit.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,357
    PTS: GF
    Title Track: FRWL
    Title Credits: GF
    Main Villain: GF
    Main Bond Girl: GF
    Overall Plot: FRWL
    Dialogue: FRWL
    Score: FRWL
    Settings: GF
    Action: GF
    Humor: FRWL
    Cinematography: GF
    *Benign Bizarre: GF
    Suspense: FRWL
    Minor Characters: FRWL
    Glamor: GF
    Ally: FRWL
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    The results are in, and the winner is From Russia With Love, by a margin of to 166-109-1. Disappointing as a Goldfinger fan, but From Russia With Love certainly seems to be the preferred movie these days. Ah, well, on to the next contest.

    Our next match will be between two underwhelming follow-ups to classic Bond movies, pitting Diamonds are Forever against Quantum of Solace.

    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QoS

    Shockingly enough, Diamonds are Forever takes it by a margin of 9-8. A lot of the matchups were close, but this result was most unexpected. Let's see if your votes shake out the same way!
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Cool, I'll play

    DAF is 23 and QoS is 12 from my rankings, let's see if that is measured out in the head to head...

    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    11 for QoS
    6 for DAF
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited January 2014 Posts: 14,662
    I do like these films but both are near the bottom of my list. QoS sits slightly higher. Let's try to do this objectively.

    PTS: QoS (cool intro with the camera gliding over the water and sound fx, and White being in the boot amused me)
    Title Track: DAF (I can listen to QoS, but Bassey returned with another classic)
    Title Credits: DAF (not sure why QoS cops flack in this area- it's got all the elements)
    Main Villain: QoS (Greene is not an iconic villain, but at least he's not a caricature)
    Main Bond Girl: QoS (I like Tiffany, but the character is inconsistent)
    Overall Plot: QoS (simple and realistic)
    Dialogue: QoS (if you listen, you can actually learn something)
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF (this is an area where DAF and QoS really contrast)
    Cinematography: QoS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF (Las Vegas, duh)
    Ally: QoS (Mathis, why can't you just be a good boy and live?)

    QOS: 10
    DAF: 7

    That looks about right.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    This can't be too hard considering QoS is one of my absolute favourites!

    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamor: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    14 for QoS
    3 for DAF
  • hildebrand_rarityhildebrand_rarity
    edited January 2014 Posts: 316
    PTS: QoS
    Title TRack: DAF
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: Qos
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QoS
    Suspense: QoS

    Sorry, DAF!
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited January 2014 Posts: 2,107
    PTS: QoS
    Title TRack: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: Qos
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QoS

    It's a draw!

    Tiffany Case is a real woman with a capital W!
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QoS

    Wow, Diamonds wins. Who knew?
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    PTS: DAF
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: DAF
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DAF
    Action: DAF
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: DAF

    A slam-dunk for DAF from me.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    PTS: QOS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    DAF: 8
    QOS: 9

    Can't believe there ain't a Bond portrayal category! I would liked to have seen Craig kicking Connery's butt on this one.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited January 2014 Posts: 2,483
    You couldn't have chosen two movies more diametrically opposed tonally. Should be interesting.

    PTS: DAF
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DAF
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: QOS
    Ally: QOS

    10-7 DAF. Closer than I would have expected.

    PS--I question the sanity of anybody who gives QOS the edge over DAF in the Humor category. I mean, really?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,662
    SharkBait wrote:
    It's a draw!
    It shouldn't be a draw as there's 17 categories, but you and @hildebrand_rarity have missed out the 'suspense' category. After taking that into account, how do the results look now?
  • VirageVirage
    edited January 2014 Posts: 1,856
    PTS: QOS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: Tie. (Can I do that?)
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: QOS
    Cinematography: QOS (A bit unfair comparing a 6 year old movie to a 43 year old one here)
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamor: QOS
    Ally: QOS
    QOS: 13.5, DAF: 3.5
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    QOS wins hands down for mew except theme tune. DAD by Dame Shirley knocks AWTD out of the ark imo. Other than that QOS oozes class and has the better acting talent.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    QBranch wrote:
    SharkBait wrote:
    It's a draw!
    It shouldn't be a draw as there's 17 categories, but you and @hildebrand_rarity have missed out the 'suspense' category. After taking that into account, how do the results look now?

    Thank you for pointing that out. I knew they were missing something but couldn't figure out what it was.

    @Virage, QoS benefits from being new but is significantly hurt by the shaky cam-fest. And you can declare categories a tie if you want to, just try not to do it with the whole movie.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    @Perilagu_Khan - for every sparkling Mankiewicz line, you have the overt humour to contend with.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    As opposed to virtually no humor in QOS. What we have here is the funniest Bond movie ever, cinematic Bond's great dark comedy, versus the grim and dour QOS. This is no contest at all. The only way you could vote for QOS in this category is if you don't like humor.
  • JohnBarryFanJohnBarryFan
    Posts: 1,405
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QoS
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: DAF
    Action: DAF
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: neither
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: DAF
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: QOS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QOS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QOS

    9-8 for QOS, and it is the better film overall. Certainly a better follow-up anyway.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2014 Posts: 13,356
    PTS: Quantum Of Solace
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QOS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QOS
  • 005005
    Posts: 17
    I just couldn't enjoy QOS as much as I did DAF so I really can't give it any credit over it.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    So when's the next matchup?
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    @Virage, QoS benefits from being new but is significantly hurt by the shaky cam-fest. And you can declare categories a tie if you want to, just try not to do it with the whole movie.
    Cinematography, in general, also includes lighting, which in my opinion is better then QOS. Also I remember being impressed with the desert shots and the non-action scenes, while DAF's shots are a bit dull for me.
  • YouHaveAnOddJobYouHaveAnOddJob
    Posts: 136
    PTS: QOS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QOS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QOS

    10-7 Diamonds are Forever
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823

    PTS:DAF
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: DAF
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QOS

    DAF 10 to 7
    Positively shocking.
  • ChangChang
    Posts: 107
    QOS reminds me more of FYEO than DAF. Especially the quick pacing.
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