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  • JinxJinx
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    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
    HA HA HA(sarcasm). That will forever be the achilles heel of his film career.
    :-W
  • SantaSanta
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    I enjoyed Daniel Craig coming out of the sea. Yum.
  • DiscoVolanteDiscoVolante Stockholm, Sweden
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    Well, in the interests of keeping on topic, I can't say what drew me to Bond fandom. It was just... always there. I don't ever remember not being a Bond fan, even from a very young age. If I start to dissect it, I don't think it's anything to do with the 'men want to be like him, women want to be with him' thing. I could say that I like men to be very masculine (Brosnan did not appeal to me AT ALL), to be problem solvers, to be independent, intelligent and able to handle any situation, but is that why I like Bond, because he fits the bill, or is that what I like BECAUSE of Bond?
    The whole secretive life of a spy kind of appeals too. I've often been told I'm a bit cold or secretive, and I like to compartmentalise my life. Oh, and I ALWAYS park facing out, ready for a quick getaway (both literally and metaphorically ;-) ). Not because I have anything to hide, it's just the way I am, but again, is this why I like Bond or is this because I like Bond?
    In the end, I like action films/thrillers, exotic locations, glamorous clothes, cars, and I would like to be able to legitimately kill some people who annoy me :) . And there's probably no more to it than that.
    I like you @Santa..

  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
    Posts: 1,370
    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
    HA HA HA(sarcasm). That will forever be the achilles heel of his film career.
    :-W
    I don't understand - how do you mean Achilles' heel, 0Brady? According to a lot of women I know that was one of the great moments in the history of film to them ;-) It certainly seemed to cement Craig as a favourite of theirs. If anything it would be one of the best things to happen to his film career!

  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
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    Well, in the interests of keeping on topic, I can't say what drew me to Bond fandom. It was just... always there. I don't ever remember not being a Bond fan, even from a very young age. If I start to dissect it, I don't think it's anything to do with the 'men want to be like him, women want to be with him' thing. I could say that I like men to be very masculine (Brosnan did not appeal to me AT ALL), to be problem solvers, to be independent, intelligent and able to handle any situation, but is that why I like Bond, because he fits the bill, or is that what I like BECAUSE of Bond?
    The whole secretive life of a spy kind of appeals too. I've often been told I'm a bit cold or secretive, and I like to compartmentalise my life. Oh, and I ALWAYS park facing out, ready for a quick getaway (both literally and metaphorically ;-) ). Not because I have anything to hide, it's just the way I am, but again, is this why I like Bond or is this because I like Bond?
    In the end, I like action films/thrillers, exotic locations, glamorous clothes, cars, and I would like to be able to legitimately kill some people who annoy me :) . And there's probably no more to it than that.
    Great insight, @Santa. I like how you question whether you like Bond because of those qualities you mentioned (problem solver, independent, intelligent) or you like those qualities because of Bond. I can say I like Bond because he possesses those qualities.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
    HA HA HA(sarcasm). That will forever be the achilles heel of his film career.
    :-W
    I don't understand - how do you mean Achilles' heel, 0Brady? According to a lot of women I know that was one of the great moments in the history of film to them ;-) It certainly seemed to cement Craig as a favourite of theirs. If anything it would be one of the best things to happen to his film career!

    Sorry @thelordflasheart, I should have elaborated. I am not talking about women or other movie viewers seeing it as bad, but to Craig personally. He has stated when put on the spot that he is "embarrassed" by it and he believes it would haut him for the rest of his life. Here's a link for clarification:

    http://www.universalexports.net/007news/2008/10/daniel-craig-claims-his-iconic-swimsuit-scene-was-an-accident/
  • timmertimmer
    edited August 2011 Posts: 4,622
    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
    HA HA HA(sarcasm). That will forever be the achilles heel of his film career.
    :-W
    Many consider that scene to be the sexual objectification of Bond. The Bab's touch if you will. Bond as beefcake, pin-up boy. Cringeworthy really.

  • JinxJinx
    Posts: 102
    Daniel Craig can pin me up and touch my Babs any day...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2011 Posts: 15,718
    you mean Daniel Craig didn't do it well?
    HA HA HA(sarcasm). That will forever be the achilles heel of his film career.
    :-W
    Many consider that scene to be the sexual objectification of Bond. The Bab's touch if you will. Bond as beefcake, pin-up boy. Cringeworthy really.

    I totally agree with you, timmer. And even worse - the 2nd time Craig is in swimsuit, this time with Vesper... She is wearing a sweater !! :O It's the main Bond girl that should be in bikini, not Bond in swimsuit !! I found that to be a total contradiction with the core essence of the Bond franchise. I'd hate to see Bond shirtless all the time, and the Bond girls to not show any skin... The Bond girls are just not fullfilling their roles anymore... A total waste. It's as if there weren't any Bond girls in the Craig era at all ! Which, IMO makes it impossible for me to consider the 2 Craig films as Bond films... So many elements missing. Little elements yes, but stack up many together, and a big portion of 'Bond' is missing.

    But anyway, back to topic... Welcome, @Santa !!
  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    I totally agree with you, timmer. And even worse - the 2nd time Craig is in swimsuit, this time with Vesper... She is wearing a sweater !!
    But anyway, back to topic... Welcome, @Santa !!
    DC007, did you not see Vesper in that purple evening gown...with her "assests" as she walked away? Or her getting dressed in her red dress in Venice? Surely a seriously sexy scene. Just because she wasn't in a bathing suit in the SAME SCENE as Craig doesn't mean that she wasn't shown off at all.

    The fact is there are women in the audience as well as men. To give half the audience their "eye candy" but not the other half is pretty silly...

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What were all these elements that CR and QoS were missing @DC007? I would appreciate some proof before you rip Craig yet another new one.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @0Brady : Q, Moneypenny, Bond theme in action scenes, gunbarrel at start...
  • JinxJinx
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    @DaltonCraig007 those are all superficial trimmings at best.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @DaltonCraig007 those are all superficial trimmings at best.
    Yet you love the Brosnan films that all have of those.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @DaltonCraig007 those are all superficial trimmings at best.
    Yet you love the Brosnan films that all have of those.

    Everything you hate about the Craig era has nothing to do with Craig as Bond. The things you've said were EON decisions.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2011 Posts: 15,718
    @DaltonCraig007 those are all superficial trimmings at best.
    Yet you love the Brosnan films that all have of those.

    Everything you hate about the Craig era has nothing to do with Craig as Bond. The things you've said were EON decisions.
    Where did I say it had something to do with Craig as Bond ? I am aware it wasn't Craig who decided to put the gunbarrel at the end, or to oust Q. I don't like his movies, and I also happen to not like his take on Bond. Which is why I have high expectations for the next one. But if they say it will be a more 'classic' outing, than I am starting to get reassured that I may like atleast one Craig film. But as of now, his 2 films are pure rubbish, IMO of course.

    But, @0Brady, I do admit I loved the decision to cast Craig, I couldn't wait to see his first film... I admit Craig has huge potiential as Bond... I just don't like CR and QOS... But I hope B23 will be a massive improvement.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited August 2011 Posts: 28,694
    I still don't know why you don't like him as Bond @DC007, but I digress. At least you are getting hyped into the idea.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I still don't know why you don't like him as Bond @DC007
    Just like I don't know why some people don't like Moore as Bond. ;-)
  • hisqoshisqos
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    I am a bond fan, but lost interest in the Moore and Brosnan years and Craig brought me back. When he leaves I suspect we’ll be going back to the Hollywood definition of handsome male, and my interest will wane again and i’ll probably close the book on this franchise.

    We now have a lead who is unashamedly comfortable in his male skin and has turned Bond from being a caricature and laughing stock back to the proud centrepiece he once was. The Babs haters are complaining about the emasculation of Bond which I find rather amusing since the loud shouts for the return of the accoutrements and the androgynous Henry Cavill type will only yet again relegate Bond to the icing on the cake which to me is in itself emasculating the character.

    Moore, Brosnan although pleasing to the eye qualify as the nice chaps mom and dad would like. A peck on the cheek after a cup of tea and cucumber sandwiches is as far as their appeal lies with me.

    Lazenby and Dalton handsome yes, sex appeal, a step up from Moore and Brosnan.

    Connery and Craig are in another league they have the extra ingredient of dessert will be uninhibited, bed breaking orgasmic sex.

    I think the response to Craig has reminded some of us what the difference is between the genders. The gasps weren’t so much for the blue trunks but the raw unadulterated frisson of an alpha male to which we’ve somehow lost sight of in the melee of diluting testosterone and replacing it with moisturised eunuchs.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited August 2011 Posts: 28,694
    My problem with Moore is simple. He took Bond into an unnecessary run of comedy that was non stop and ignorantly put in place. I like a little comedy with the Bonds, to Connery or even better Craig's level, which is a little but hardly noticeable to be bothered by it. Moore never was Bond to me. He surely didn't look it. He didn't look like a cold and calculating agent. He was about as charming and suave as a skunk trying to cover its smell with tomato juice and body spray. The plots of the movies he was in(though they weren't his fault) were too unbelievable even for a Bond film and Moore's presence of unrelenting eyebrow raises, one-liners rampant and doubly unmoving portrayal left me dissatisfied. I can't get into a Moore Bond film, and he will possibly end up being my least favorite of the six. I am a Connery and Craig fanboy to the core. The brutal, cold, relenting violence inside him that gives him the ability and prowess he has to do what he does was always the best characterization of how Bond should be for me. Connery and Craig hit it to a tee, each giving more to the character as well. Seeing Moore cut holes in that and joking at every turn makes me feel like I'm betraying Connery and his great work as Bond(minus YOLT and DAF) by just watching the things. Take for example the end of TMWTGG. An angry Nic Nac engages Bond in a "battle" which features him hiding under a couch and throwing bottles at Bond who is deflecting them with a chair. In the end Bond gets Nic Nac into a suitcase and goes back to Goodnight. Now lets take this scene through the perspective of the Connery Bond. How his Bond would do it: Bond is ready to intreat on Goodnight when Nic Nac launces on to the bed with his knife. Bond gets up and raises a confused eyebrow at the reality of the unfair fight. Nic Nac approaches him and Bond reaches his hand out to stop Nic Nac in his tracks, leaving the little man swinging the knife inches from Bond. Bond reaches out and yanks away the knife with ease, then takes Nic Nac's legs in his arms and swings him fast in a circle until his screams are like the buffets of a fan. He releases Nic Nac and he smashes into the wall behind the bar, knocking dozens of alcohol down with him. He dies, his body smashed. Bond then gets back to Goodnight.
    "Nic Nac was a clever little fellow, but he could never quite measure up."

    He then precedes to have sex, and the film ends. A much better ending. Not PG-13, but a good ending nonetheless. Now @DC007, you ask why don't some like Moore? Besides all I listed above, they are all most likely fans of Connery and Craig , or even equally likely the serious Dalton. A good laugh in a Bond film is great, but more than a few take you out of the thrill of the film and turn the experience stale. In this regard of staleness, the Moore Bond films are the crusty and aged bread you take and feed to ducks, but to your surprise, not even they want to eat it.
  • timmertimmer
    edited August 2011 Posts: 4,622



    I totally agree with you, timmer. And even worse - the 2nd time Craig is in swimsuit, this time with Vesper... She is wearing a sweater !! :O It's the main Bond girl that should be in bikini, not Bond in swimsuit !! I found that to be a total contradiction with the core essence of the Bond franchise.
    Well at least someone burned Craig's baby blue bathing briefs in time for the QoS shoot.
    It does seem that girls in bikinis have been banned from the new pc Babs Bonds.
    What's next? Bond in a dress? Never mind.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What PC Bond? We saw plenty of Solange(in a bikini and falling out of her dress) and Vesper(topless in Venice as well), Le Chiffre's girlfriend in a bikini, Mathis' girlfriend in yet another bikini, and Fields partially covered up and then fully covered in oil. On a side note, if @DC and @timmer are concerned about no Vesper in a bikini, just look at the character. She dressed in a masculine fashion to try and match her colleagues. She lacked certain belief in her ability to do things, and showed less of herself. Then Bond entered the picture and she showed off what she had because he loved her for her, and she felt safe with him, so she let go. If you want trashy girls in bikinis, go to Spring Break in Palm Beach.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2011 Posts: 15,718
    If you want trashy girls in bikinis, go to Spring Break in Palm Beach.
    No, I (can't speak for timmer) just want a proper Bond film and proper Bond girls. The Bond girl actresses are supposed, IMO, to be the sexiest women in the world. So they should play with their assets... Bond girls are sexual objects, Bond is not, so I hope Craig Bond is less sexualized in B23, and the girls return to being sexual object. Yes they can have interesting characters... But they must not deviate from being sexualized, like in CR and QOS.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think treating women like actual women instead of posts with coconuts in the Bond films is great, and I hope it continues. As I listed above they have been plenty showings of sexuality already, and Craig is used as such to give female viewers a show. Craig's Bonds have shown enough of the Bond girls for me, and EON needs to continue on this path. We don't need another Halle Berry. Beauty is only skin-deep after all.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    We don't need another Halle Berry. Beauty is only skin-deep after all.
    I wasn't thinking of Jinx, but more like Domino, Volpe, Brandt...

  • thelordflasheartthelordflasheart
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    If you want trashy girls in bikinis, go to Spring Break in Palm Beach.
    No, I (can't speak for timmer) just want a proper Bond film and proper Bond girls. The Bond girl actresses are supposed, IMO, to be the sexiest women in the world. So they should play with their assets... Bond girls are sexual objects, Bond is not, so I hope Craig Bond is less sexualized in B23, and the girls return to being sexual object. Yes they can have interesting characters... But they must not deviate from being sexualized, like in CR and QOS.
    I'm afraid I have to agree with 0Brady here, DC007. You see Le Chiffre's girlfriend in a bathing suit early on, and Solange in a bikini - first bouncing on a horse (!), then a full body shot, then a closeup:

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0382.htm

    Then in that great red dress with the ribbons across the back (hint of bondage):

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0511.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0520.htm

    And that's just the beginning of the film! Then there's Vesper:

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0780.htm

    Pretty gratuitous butt shot as she's walking away...then there's the very sexy shot of her getting dressed, including some "side boobage" from behind, and this subtle but very sexy shot:

    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_1387.htm

    Far more sexy IMHO than, say, Britt Ekland standing around in a bikini.

    And so what if Craig is shown in short trunks? So was Connery in both GF and TB (and blue, to boot!). And Brosnan was in a bathing suit in GE, so it's not like this is a new development - how many shirtless Bond shots have there been in all the films in every decade? And there *are* women in the audience, too. Why should they not get eye candy as well? Aren't their $10 for a ticket as valid as mine or yours? I don't see why women went gaga over Connery in the early 60s but they aren't supposed to react to Craig in the same way now...

    http://screenmusings.org/Goldfinger/pages/Gf_091.htm
    http://screenmusings.org/Thunderball/pages/Thbll_247.htm



  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
    edited August 2011 Posts: 543
    And there *are* women in the audience, too. Why should they not get eye candy as well?
    Of course. Although, I think I prefer Craig in shorts over Connery or Brosnan. I'm glad we didn't see Moore in shorts cause that would have been :0& As for the women, they don't have to be in bikinis all the time to be sexy.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    attractive women are attractive women wherever you find them, I thought Fatima Blush (ok, not an official bond release), was some nice eye candy and she never wore anything too revealing, same with Seymour's Solitaire in LALD, just nice looking girls in sensible attire, they don't have to be pole dancers

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2011 Posts: 15,718
    And so what if Craig is shown in short trunks?
    The problem is the huge emphasis put on that. The camera and lighting work is giving all the attention and emphasis to Craig (not the case when Connery or Brosnan were shirtless), and of course there is Arnold's puting some epic music when Bond rises from the water... That is not Bond, IMO. Bond is not supposed to be treated that way. Bond girls are the primary sexual objects, not Bond himself. So I don't know who Daniel Craig is supposed to play in CR, but it is certainly not James Bond.

    Here, take a look at this advert, produced by EON :



    Craig and Dench should have been fired on the spot for making this, and EON should have lost the Bond rights.
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