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  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Chang wrote:
    QOS reminds me more of FYEO than DAF. Especially the quick pacing.

    That's part of the fun, that they're so tonally opposed, and Diamonds are Forever appears to be doing well for itself, which is surprising. The results and a new matchup will be up on Friday, by the way, so get your votes in by then!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited January 2014 Posts: 17,801
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    That's part of the fun, that they're so tonally opposed, and Diamonds are Forever appears to be doing well for itself, which is surprising.

    DAF had a lot more excellent elements, but just didn't bring them together as well as QOS IMO.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    PTS - DAF
    TT - DAF (what would you choose)
    TC - QOS
    MV - QOS
    MBG - DAF
    OP - DAF
    DL - QOS
    SC - DAF
    SE - QOS
    AC - QOS
    HUMOR - DAF
    CINEMA - QOS
    BB - DAF
    SUSPENSE - QOS
    MC - DAF
    GLAM - QOS
    ALLY - QOS

    QOS wins by 9 - 8, but both poor overall releases
  • ChangChang
    Posts: 107
    PTS:QOS
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: DAF
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: QOS
    *Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamor: DAF
    Ally: QOS

    DAF - 10
    QOD - 7

    Must be the moon buggy escape.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    This was certainly an interesting round. A few ties & mistakes, a couple of blowouts, and first-ever clean sweep, which leaves us after 17 votes with a final of 145-141-3 for Diamonds Are Forever! A very close matchup, and closely aligned with my own scores.

    For our next match, we will compare You Only Live Twice and Tomorrow Never Dies! Two movies, thirty years apart, with similar stories, both of whom tend to fall squarely in the middle of rankings. Now that the introduction's out of the way, let us proceed:

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: Tie
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: TND (Dr. Kaufmann seals it)
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT by a mile. Dikko Henderson and Tiger Tanaka>>>>>Jack Wade

    10-6-1 for You Only Live Twice.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    17-0 for YOLT! The horror!
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited January 2014 Posts: 2,483
    Thrilled that DAF bested QOS. A much deserved victory for DAF.

    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamor: TND
    Ally: YOLT

    9-8 for TND. About what I would have expected.
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
    9-8 To TND
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Pre Titles Sequence - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Track - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Title Credits - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Main Villain - You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl - You Only Live Twice
    Overall Plot - You Only Live Twice
    Dialogue - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Score -You Only Live Twice
    Settings - You Only Live Twice
    Action - You Only Live Twice
    Humor - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Cinematography - You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre - You Only Live Twice
    Suspense - You Only Live Twice
    Minor Characters - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Glamor - Tomorrow Never Dies
    Ally - You Only Live Twice

    You Only Live Twice wins by 10 -7
  • Bradford4Bradford4 Banned
    Posts: 152
    YOLT vs TND twoo beloved films i love.

    PTS: TND no question, oen of the most explosive Brozza PTS
    Title Track: YOLT (if Surrender was the title track I would choose TND, its my favorite Bond song)
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: YOLT even though I love Elliot Carver
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: TND
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT ("I get it from the doorman at the russian embassy- amongst certain other things...")
    Cinematography: YOLT.. freddie francis knocks it out of the park with this one
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT (Dikko Henderson)
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT (Tiger Tanaka)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: TND
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    9-8 To TND
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: TND
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    10-7 for TND

  • petergreenhill5petergreenhill5
    Posts: 824
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • ChangChang
    Posts: 107
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Three clean sweeps for You Only Live Twice? I understand you might not like the Brosnan era, but at least try to evaluate them objectively and not turn it into a bias-induced curbstomp.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Three clean sweeps for You Only Live Twice? I understand you might not like the Brosnan era, but at least try to evaluate them objectively and not turn it into a bias-induced curbstomp.

    No such thing from me at least. I enjoyed the MTS in TND and Dr. Kaufmann as well. It is just that in these 17 categories YOLT sweeps the floor with TND. Must be honest after all.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited January 2014 Posts: 13,355
    PTS: You Only Live Twice
    Title Track: You Only Live Twice
    Title Credits: You Only Live Twice
    Main Villain: You Only Live Twice
    Main Bond Girl: Tomorrow Never Dies
    Overall Plot: You Only Live Twice
    Dialogue: You Only Live Twice
    Score: You Only Live Twice
    Settings: You Only Live Twice
    Action: You Only Live Twice
    Humour: You Only Live Twice
    Cinematography: You Only Live Twice
    Benign Bizarre: You Only Live Twice
    Suspense: You Only Live Twice
    Minor Characters: You Only Live Twice
    Glamor: You Only Live Twice
    Ally: You Only Live Twice
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2014 Posts: 4,520
    PTS: TMND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: TMND
    Main Bond Girl: TMND
    Overall Plot: TMND
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: TMND
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: TMND
    Suspense: TMND
    Minor Characters: TMND
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited January 2014 Posts: 17,801
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Three clean sweeps for You Only Live Twice? I understand you might not like the Brosnan era, but at least try to evaluate them objectively and not turn it into a bias-induced curbstomp.
    While I personally agree, objectively I must point out that there really can't be objectivity here.
    These are absolutely my two favourite BIG Bonds. Some feel that TSWLM trumps them both. It's a big world of differing opinions...
    :)>-
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: TND
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT

    Unsurprisingly, YOLT comes out on top 13-4.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited January 2014 Posts: 14,582
    chrisisall wrote:
    These are absolutely my two favourite BIG Bonds. Some feel that TSWLM trumps them both. It's a big world of differing opinions... :)>-
    I'm one of those people who think Spy trumps the other two, for various reasons, including better pacing and more exotic locations.

    Now this will be interesting- the first Bond film I saw on the big screen (TND) versus one of the first Bond films I owned on VHS (YOLT).

    PTS: TND- easily one of the best in the series.
    Title Track: YOLT- but who would win if Surrender was TND's main theme? :-?
    Title Credits: YOLT- although the girl wearing the diamond necklace in TND is an absolute babe!
    Main Villain: YOLT- Blofeld is iconic, whereas Carver seems rather (mocks Kung Fu moves) 'pathetic'
    Main Bond Girl: TND- Wai Lin kicks ass, not that I have anything against the lovely Kissy.
    Overall Plot: YOLT- Hard decision here. I like the media plot reflecting the times, but there's something more intriguing about an unidentified spacecraft lurking around in the dark depths of space and gobbling up astronauts.
    Dialogue: YOLT- TND has a little too much cheesy dialogue to compete with this one
    Score: TND- great use of the Bond theme and Surrender. I also love the 'techno sax' intro to Carver's party in Hamburg.
    Settings: YOLT- there's more variety in TND, but what we see of Japan is stunning.
    Action: TND- PTS, carpark chase, stealth boat shoot-out, HALO jump. It's all there.
    Humour: TND has more humour than YOLT, but degree of humour in Bond is not something I'm really concerned with.
    Cinematography: YOLT for obvious reasons.
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT- the first part of the PTS for example. Pretty much any time Bird 1 is on screen.
    Minor Characters: TND- Dr. Kaufman is one of the best minor characters in the franchise.
    Glamour: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT- I always warm to Aki and Tanaka, the latter being one of Bond's best allies.

    YOLT: 11
    TND: 5

    I guess I shouldn't be surprised with the results. YOLT is, after all, a big scale classic. I do however, prefer to watch TND as it doesn't drag as much, and it's just a fun film overall.
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    QBranch wrote:
    Title Credits: YOLT- although the girl wearing the diamond necklace in TND is an absolute babe!
    You do realise that's a computer graphic? /:)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,582
    Virage wrote:
    QBranch wrote:
    Title Credits: YOLT- although the girl wearing the diamond necklace in TND is an absolute babe!
    You do realise that's a computer graphic? /:)
    What's a computer graphic? The diamonds that magically defy gravity as they float away from her neckline? What a surprise! 8-|

    As for the girl, she's as real as you and I.

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7409/12009298114_c33b455a96_o.png
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited January 2014 Posts: 3,262
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: YOLT(aren't they basically the same plot, i.e., Bond heads to the Far East to prevent a megalomaniac from starting World War Three for his own benefit? However, YOLT did it first)
    Dialogue: YOLT
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters:YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: YOLT
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND (Carver is too much fun for me to choose otherwise)
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    PTS: TND
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: TND
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: TND
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: TND
    Humor: YOLT
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: TND
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    PTS: YOLT
    Title Track: YOLT
    Title Credits: YOLT
    Main Villain: YOLT
    Main Bond Girl: TND
    Overall Plot: YOLT
    Dialogue: TND
    Score: YOLT
    Settings: YOLT
    Action: YOLT
    Humor: TND
    Cinematography: YOLT
    *Benign Bizarre: YOLT
    Suspense: YOLT
    Minor Characters: YOLT
    Glamor: YOLT
    Ally: YOLT
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    chrisisall wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Three clean sweeps for You Only Live Twice? I understand you might not like the Brosnan era, but at least try to evaluate them objectively and not turn it into a bias-induced curbstomp.
    While I personally agree, objectively I must point out that there really can't be objectivity here.
    These are absolutely my two favourite BIG Bonds. Some feel that TSWLM trumps them both. It's a big world of differing opinions...
    :)>-

    You're right, but that's not carte blanche to let Brosnan get run over with bias steamrollers. Perhaps I'm just surprised by how overwhelmingly people seem to prefer YOLT, considering that it's usually in the lower tier of rankings.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Perhaps I'm just surprised by how overwhelmingly people seem to prefer YOLT, considering that it's usually in the lower tier of rankings.
    Lets you know the level of anti-Brosnan sentiment, eh?
    Broz rocks. As much as any of them. IMO
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    chrisisall wrote:
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    Perhaps I'm just surprised by how overwhelmingly people seem to prefer YOLT, considering that it's usually in the lower tier of rankings.
    Lets you know the level of anti-Brosnan sentiment, eh?
    Broz rocks. As much as any of them. IMO

    Don't get me wrong, I love myself some Brosnan. He slides in at 3rd on my ranking, and he gets the honor of being my first Bond (well, he shares it with Craig, but Brosnan's still great).
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