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Its a VERY enjoyable film,drags in places,but makes up for it big time.
A good film,and one which saved the whole franchise dont forget,so it should at least have respect.
Yeah I do think that Craig is a tougher Bond and that the fights in CR and QOS were great but when you compare the two fight scenes in SF to Bond vs Alec in GE, they don't even come close.
I think a lot of it is down to the right director. Martin Campbell proved that he was very good at fight scenes. With Mendes I think it's one of the few things he needs to improve on.
To be fair I don't think the SF fights were bad, far from the worst of the series, but the first two Craig films really raised the bar when it comes to fight scenes and SF failed to live up to it.
To even put any of Brosnan fight's up agaisn't Craig's is laughable.
Edit: Not sure who'll consider this controversial or not, but here are my top 5 most important Bond films (as far as how important their contribution to the series was), by order of release:
1. Dr. No
2. Goldfinger
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4. GoldenEye
5. Casino Royale
Honorable Mention: From Russia with Love
I'd go with that. I'd mention The Spy Who Loved Me in that bracket, however.
Yeah Spy Who Loved Me would earn an honorable mention for me too.
Watch the skyscraper fight in SF and then watch the final fight in GE. When it comes to showing the tough side of Bond, the GE fight is better by far. More brutal and just more exciting. One of the best fights in the series. The one on the yacht isn't bad either. It's short but it's nicely done and I like how Bond wipes his face with the towel afterwardsl
I agree that CR and probably QOS have better fights (although I'm not sure about QOS because of the editing) but SF? The fights in GE blow the fights in SF out of the water imo.
I know which on I prefer and I think most people would agree with me.
So would I. I would very heavily indeed, since it is along with Goldfinger (and to my utter annoyance GE) the one most responsible that we are still having bond movies these days. To so many I have talked to Roger Moores "nothing can even touch me 007" TSWLM and GF's Aston Martin Gadgets define how they see Bond and what makes him so special for them. DCs Bond cashes in heavily on the contrast to this unique figure in the all-heroes hall of fame.
As far as important films, Skyfall should be in the honorable mention category as well. We forget that the entire series was in jeopardy due to MGM's issues and Skyfall not only reaffirmed Bond's popularity, but arguably expanded it to new heights.
So there.
I agree with this. I never understood the obsession with the 'brutality' of the two previous films. I happen to think the Obanna fight is brilliant, but primarily because it feels natural and is well directed. Bond can't afford for Obanna to survive and as such despatches him in a very brutal manner. It works. With Slate, it's brutality for the sake of brutality. It's the most Bourne-like moment of the Craig films. As @Perilagu_Khan says, SF possesses an arresting aesthetic, something I feel marks Bond apart from his contemporaries. Mendes tried to inject a bit if class.
Regards Brosnan, I love his fight work in GE and beyond (on occasion). He managed to fuse a sense of ferocity with one of nonchalance - see yacht fight in Monaco. I'm not saying this is truly Fleming, but it's something I like from my cinematic Bond. Craig moved towards this with his Casino fight in SF.
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one shouldn't forget, that's the main reason why every movie out of every franchise out there is making more money then it's predecessor (doesn't matter what crap it is - I'm looking at you Iron Man 3) is the ever booming Asian market,mainly China. So Bond or not,we can expect even larger truckloads of money for the studios from whatever BS that may be coming our way in the future
To be fair that is correct because dont forget Bond COULDNT handle himself,he was out of shape with a bad shoulder injury because of the splinted bullet,so the fact he struggled in both fights with Patrice is actually as it should be.
Totally agree with this,considering it was in 1963 as well.
"How could we forget his SHOOOULDER"? ;)
Even after 50 years, it's still so visceral and so damn brutal. You feel every punch and kick. It's a proper scrap. It's also a testament to both actors that, apart from one shot, they do their own stunts in that sequence.
It seems Eve knew just where to hurrrrrrrrrrrt him ;-)
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